Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Polar101 wrote: »

It's not quite the same situation, LOK restrictions were to prevent the meat plant clusters from spreading into the community. Dublin cases seem to be households in many areas rather than larger clusters. So it _might_ make sense to limit interactions between households, but whether that would actually achieve anything is another matter.

So then why lockdown a whole county and allow it spread into the community?

Also, the meatplant and DP clusters were more managable so if anything a Dublin lockdown makes more sense if it's already rife in the community in an uncontrollable manner

Some interesting new research, which might explain a few of the very varied things that COVID does.

An out-of-control human peptide called bradykinin could be responsible for some of the varied and sometimes deadly symptoms seen in people who have contracted the coronavirus.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2253987-we-are-finally-unravelling-the-mystery-of-what-causes-severe-covid-19

Polar101 wrote: »

It's not quite the same situation, LOK restrictions were to prevent the meat plant clusters from spreading into the community. Dublin cases seem to be households in many areas rather than larger clusters. So it _might_ make sense to limit interactions between households, but whether that would actually achieve anything is another matter.

Surely it's the opposite case: if the large number of Dublin cases are spread over multiple households you should close down the larger county, but if they are localised to a smaller number of areas like meat plants and the satellite homes there is less of a need?

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Yeah rumour around that some sort of warning level system, the level of an area gives the restrictions for that area etc.

If reports this morning are accurate they won't be repeating the Kildare, Laois & Offaly restrictions in Dublin anyway, not seen as feasible. They'll look towards Glasgow and try and stop households mixing in home settings

Can nobody see the sheer absurdity of what we are trying to do. We cannot keep people from engaging in social activity forever.
It is particularly absurd in the case of the younger generation, (teens and 20s), where there is an overwhelming need to engage in social activity, make new friends, form relationships etc.
When this crisis started it was generally assumed that the restrictions would be in place for a few months at most. Now the realisation is dawning that the virus is not going away and we are telling our young people that they must never meet new people or form new relationships or engage in normal social activity and must keep ‘social distancing’. We are telling our young people that these measures must be adhered to, not for a few weeks or months, but forever.
This deliberate attempt at the destruction of our social fabric will not work and should not work. It is contrary to nature.

Roger_007 wrote: »

Can nobody see the sheer absurdity of what we are trying to do. We cannot keep people from engaging in social activity forever.
It is particularly absurd in the case of the younger generation, (teens and 20s), where there is an overwhelming need to engage in social activity, make new friends, form relationships etc.
When this crisis started it was generally assumed that the restrictions would be in place for a few months at most. Now the realisation is dawning that the virus is not going away and we are telling our young people that they must never meet new people or form new relationships or engage in normal social activity and must keep ‘social distancing’. We are telling our young people that these measures must be adhered to, not for a few weeks or months, but forever.
This deliberate attempt at the destruction of our social fabric will not work and should not work. It is contrary to nature.

It won't be forever. More likely to be a much better position in mid 2021. Pandemic's subside usually after about 18 mths. Good progress being made on treatment and a vaccine. Long term implications likely to be much worse without suppression

ixoy wrote: »

Any likelihood they'll scale up testing in Dublin? Having people travel all the way out to Swords seems ridiculous if they're concerned about numbers. Why not re-open Croke Park at least? I assume the GAA wouldn't object.

Croke Park reopened last week along with another facility in Castleknock

wadacrack wrote: »

Vitamin D studies on this have all looked very promising btw. Good idea to supplement with it considering its essentially zero risk. If this was a more expensive drug I'd imagine mainstream media would highlight this more. Lots of credible sources believe it can help.

Yes, there’s been a line of thinking on this from the start, but it’s now backed up by considerable evidence from studies in the US. So, agreed, it appears there’s only upside from taking supplements.

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

Yes, there’s been a line of thinking on this from the start, but it’s now backed up by considerable evidence from studies in the US. So, agreed, it appears there’s only upside from taking supplements.

That a better immune system will help you fight off infections mostly. It's always prudent not to make something into a panacea for all ills. It's still a good position to take but Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

is_that_so wrote: »

That a better immune system will help you fight off infections mostly. It's always prudent not to make something into a panacea for all ills. It's still a good position to take but Vitamin D toxicity might progress to bone pain and kidney problems, such as the formation of calcium stones.

From what I've gathered Vitamin D3 toxicity is essentially the symptoms of Vitamin k2 deficiency so I always take the two together with magnesium.

I had a vitamin D3 blood test early this year, I was low so I megadosed for a few months. Sometimes taking 100,000 IUs a week.

I tested my D3 again a month ago and it was 71 ng/ml. Optimal range is 61 to 90.

Vitamin D3 RDA is 400-800 IUs a day, its seem very low, I would probably still be deficient if I took that amount.

is_that_so wrote: »

Given the knowledge we had back then it's unlikely he was guaranteed to survive as she claims.

"People have been talking about a cover-up but we don't know the scale of it. My father could still be here if we'd known about the threat of this horrible virus earlier"

She obviously means that he could have avoided infection if China didn't try cover it up and been aware of the risk much earlier. Given what we know now that the virus does not grow exponentially as quickly as we assumed back in March. In hindsight testing was perfectly set up for it to grow exponentially artificially with too much of a lag to really understand the transmission rate. The stories about athletes from Europe suffering from symptoms very similar to Covid in September 2019 tell us that the virus is likely to have originated in China in possibly the late summer of 2019. This is not been spoken about much lately but if we had known all this it could have much different. In time hopefully the truth will come out but highly unlikely anything soon.

wadacrack wrote: »

Vitamin D studies on this have all looked very promising btw. Good idea to supplement with it considering its essentially zero risk. If this was a more expensive drug I'd imagine mainstream media would highlight this more. Lots of credible sources believe it can help.

Queue the run on Vitamins d supplements soon ðŸ˜