Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

daydorunrun · 08-09-2020 10:27PM

Trump has his say on the opening of Irish ‘Wet pubs’!!

https://youtu.be/ZmN7_1SG2xs

Eod100 · 08-09-2020 10:28PM

political analyst wrote: »

Those effects take place mostly in vulnerable patients, who can, if they're able to move at all, wear surgical masks, which they can buy at pharmacies.

They've been shown to take place in mild and asymptomatic cases and not only confined to vulnerable people.

Assetbacked · 08-09-2020 10:32PM

With the economic data coming out and the budget due shortly, there is simply no question about a lockdown for Dublin. We are looking at much bigger problems than covid related to the economy and an open for business Dublin is critical to any sort of economic recovery.

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:32PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Restrict Dublin to keep virus from spreading across rest of country.

Keep schools open low risk and children have suffered enough- six months off school.

Restaurants takeaway only.

No pubs open.

Nobody in your house other your own family.

Wait until numbers drop.

Vaccine comes. Go back to normal.

Simple.

First read that and missed the line ..wait until numbers drop !

s1ippy · 08-09-2020 10:33PM

daydorunrun wrote: »

Trump has his say on the opening of Irish ‘Wet pubs’!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A__DveRMTuk

Lol, I said the exact same thing this morning

bb1234567 · 08-09-2020 10:34PM

Was wet pub something made up because of covid? Sounds nastay

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:36PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

Yep, every day, the same post. It’s clearly designed to scare people, it gets old pretty quickly.

Great news to see the hospital admissions stabilise though.

But still increasing slowly ..50 today

NegativeCreep · 08-09-2020 10:36PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But still increasing slowly ..50 today

Were we expecting cases and hospital admissions not to increase as we open up?

DangerScouse · 08-09-2020 10:37PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Its been made crystal clear so far. If your not in local restrictions they open.

Thats what everyone has to go on at the moment.

"Numbers will be out of control in 2 weeks time" been hearing that line now for a good while. While I'm not saying it may or may not be the case we can't state it as fact

The schools will act as a superconductor for the virus. They haven't been opened for months, that's why im saying it will be out of control in two weeks.

Strumms · 08-09-2020 10:45PM

My girlfriend is a psychologist. She is also reasonably bad asthmatic, she takes medication and uses a nebulizer. The new meds though she is on have been pretty good as regards stabilization of symptoms, about two years since an attack.

As covid was kicking off she spoke with her GP who told her in no uncertain terms.. “ while covid is active, you are NOT to meet with clients, not even in an emergency “ her practice office was reasonably small and even without knowing her working environment the doctor was ‘no way Jose’. It could kill you.

One of our friends is an IT genius to put it mildly and set about fast tracking setting up a website for her business he’d been working on for her, plus... Skype, Zoom, Facebook etc... so that EVERY avenue could be open to clients to have their therapy sessions online.

Problem as always... she has two clients who before even trying it we’re trying to get her to meet instead in a local Starbucks in one case, in the local McDonald’s the other after initially suggesting a supermarket car park with windows open in their car...

One is a needy little bôllocks of a kid about 12, the other a 55 year old woman.

She told both upfront about her asthma, the lady will get help getting online begrudgingly after some tough love but the needy little bollix and the mother are still pressing for face to face... she has to mute her work phone even now at 6 every evening... “is there a way around this, Kyle needs to see you” etc... she was all for making an exception until I showed her literally videos of people in hospital with covid.... so she is standing her ground and willing to drop this little bollix and his old dear..l

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:46PM

MerlinSouthDub wrote: »

I predict that zero of the suspected cases will turn into confirmed cases tomorrow. I’ll post an update then.

Please do .

I would really like to see all those who keep saying " but they are only suspected cases " to come back the following day and post that whatever number of " only suspected " cases have turned to " confirmed cases " , instead of going all quiet on the issue .

Every day for the last week ( I am sure someone who knows these numbers off by heart will correct me if I am wrong ) some of these cases have been confirmed , and that is why the numbers are slowly rising in hospital , not going down, as would be the case if those other posters were right , and suspected cases were irrelevant .

I like to see her numbers , as much as the other numbers.
Room for more than one or two numbers people here .

Wolf359f · 08-09-2020 10:46PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Were we expecting cases and hospital admissions not to increase as we open up?

It's the rate of increase.
Confirmed cases in hospitals have gone from:
10, 11, 10, 13, 16, 21, 33, 49 (over the past 8 weeks)
Past 2 weeks that's a 50% increase week on week, despite the weekly admissions being relatively flat at 3 a day for the past 3 weeks.

You could shutdown overnight, but unfortunately hospital figures will increase for weeks before you see a reduction.

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:49PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Correct. No Covid patient gets into ICU before they even know they have Covid.

Of course they do !
One place they will go before results back .

Plumbthedepths · 08-09-2020 10:49PM

Strumms wrote: »

My girlfriend is a psychologist. She is also reasonably bad asthmatic, she takes medication and uses a nebulizer. The new meds though she is on have been pretty good as regards stabilization of symptoms, about two years since an attack.

As covid was kicking off she spoke with her GP who told her in no uncertain terms.. “ while covid is active, you are NOT to meet with clients, not even in an emergency “ her practice office was reasonably small and even without knowing her working environment the doctor was ‘no way Jose’. It could kill you.

One of our friends is an IT genius to put it mildly and set about fast tracking setting up a website for her business he’d been working on for her, plus... Skype, Zoom, Facebook etc... so that EVERY avenue could be open to clients to have their therapy sessions online.

Problem as always... she has two clients who before even trying it we’re trying to get her to meet instead in a local Starbucks in one case, in the local McDonald’s the other after initially suggesting a supermarket car park with windows open in their car...

One is a needy little bôllocks of a kid about 12, the other a 55 year old woman.

She told both upfront about her asthma, the lady will get help getting online begrudgingly after some tough love but the needy little bollix and the mother are still pressing for face to face... she has to mute her work phone even now at 6 every evening... “is there a way around this, Kyle needs to see you” etc... she was all for making an exception until I showed her literally videos of people in hospital with covid.... so she is standing her ground and willing to drop this little bollix and his old dear..l

A 12 year old child is a little bollix?That insight sums up all I need to know about you.Well done on scaring the crap out your partner aswell.

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:50PM

DebDynamite wrote: »

Excellent way of putting it

But only partly right .

08-09-2020 10:52PM

mjp wrote: »

Is there independent companies out there that offer testing outside of HSE? A colleague of ours in work tested positive today but we're not on contact tracing list. She was last in work on Tuesday last. Was passed on covid from family member who developed symptoms on tuesday but she didn't develop symptoms until Saturday.
We would like to get all employees tested as we are a frontline service dealing with general public on daily basis and to ensure that public have full confidence that our business is covid free.

Close contacts are defined as those in contact with confirmed case 48 hours prior to symptoms

Widdensushi · 08-09-2020 10:53PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

But only partly right .

How so?

Goldengirl · 08-09-2020 10:53PM

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Except it’s not a threat to everyone. Far from it actually.

Is that your considered opinion ?

Well you are entitled to it

majcos · 08-09-2020 10:54PM

Patients are occasionally admitted to ICUs with a Covid-related illness without knowing/recognizing that they have Covid prior to becoming critically ill so could test positive after admission. The vast majority of suspected cases in ICUs however, are not really suspected cases based on symptoms and other testing but patients with another critical illness being screened as a precautionary measure. Cases admitted to ICU are given a priority for testing so turnaround time on results is much shorter.

If even one unrecognized positive slipped through the net in to an ICU, the implications are very serious for other patients and staff in that ICU. Think of doctors intubating patients, nurses suctioning out airways, etc. These procedures would have higher risk of spread.

Also if someone is already critically ill, for example from another form of sepsis, their chances of getting through that other critical illness plus Covid on top are even lower so extra caution is taken to screen all patients in ICUs. Hence, there will be a constant cohort suspected cases but definitely cannot read much in to its meaning without knowing the clinical context so that statistic on its own is not a good indicator for monitoring an increase in severe cases and perhaps should not be released publicly at all because it is misunderstood.

Strumms · 08-09-2020 10:55PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A 12 year old child is a little bollix?That insight sums up all I need to know about you.Well done on scaring the crap out your partner aswell.

Glad to, neither are nice people.. our GP was quite prepared to do the same thing when he showed us stuff not in the public domain...

I can scare her here and now which I’ll happily do if it prevents her being scared by one or both of us answering the door to a paramedic....

She was very happy to offer a full service to clients via technology as is commonplace in this industry now.

NegativeCreep · 08-09-2020 10:55PM

Wolf359f wrote: »

It's the rate of increase.
Confirmed cases in hospitals have gone from:
10, 11, 10, 13, 16, 21, 33, 49 (over the past 8 weeks)
Past 2 weeks that's a 50% increase week on week, despite the weekly admissions being relatively flat at 3 a day for the past 3 weeks.

You could shutdown overnight, but unfortunately hospital figures will increase for weeks before you see a reduction.

What’s our capacity for hospital admissions? Do people want a lockdown so we can achieve zero Covid or near zero Covid? I thought lockdown was supposed to stop our hospitals from getting overwhelmed, not eradicate the virus. We’re nowhere close to the hospitals being overwhelmed as of yet. The stagnant number of 6 in ICU suggests to me that people aren’t being as badly effected or maybe they’ve gotten better at treating people with the virus.

Are we positive that all of those people have been admitted to the hospital for Covid or have some of them been admitted for something else and tested positive while there?

mjp · 08-09-2020 10:56PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Close contacts are defined as those in contact with confirmed case 48 hours prior to symptoms

I understand that but there is a reputational effect on business when word gets out in community that employee has tested positive. We want to nip it in the bud and staff are looking to get tested voluntarily in order to clear our name and ensure that we have left no stone unturned in dealing with this.

What Username Guidelines · 08-09-2020 10:56PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Please do .

I would really like to see all those who keep saying " but they are only suspected cases " to come back the following day and post that whatever number of " only suspected " cases have turned to " confirmed cases " , instead of going all quiet on the issue .

Every day for the last week ( I am sure someone who knows these numbers off by heart will correct me if I am wrong ) some of these cases have been confirmed , and that is why the numbers are slowly rising in hospital , not going down, as would be the case if those other posters were right , and suspected cases were irrelevant .

I like to see her numbers , as much as the other numbers.
Room for more than one or two numbers people here .

There is no breakdown of the data to know if a confirmed case in hospital has come from a suspected case, a new symptomatic admission, or routine admissions-testing for other medical reasons.

The problem with suspected numbers is that they are “noisy” and jump all over the place. There’s generally a pattern to covid as it spreads, but suspect cases is a mix of stuff that is influenced by general admissions, which is less patterned.

In short, the suspected case numbers don’t have any correlation to eventual confirmed cases to be considered a useful signal.

08-09-2020 10:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Restrict Dublin to keep virus from spreading across rest of country.

Keep schools open low risk and children have suffered enough- six months off school.

Restaurants takeaway only.

No pubs open.

Nobody in your house other your own family.

Wait until numbers drop.

Vaccine comes. Go back to normal.

Simple.

Yeah lets go back to making life not worth living

manofwisdom · 08-09-2020 10:57PM

DangerScouse wrote: »

Pubs aren't opening this month. Numbers will be out of control in 2 weeks time.

Define out of control?

NegativeCreep · 08-09-2020 10:58PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Is that your considered opinion ?

Well you are entitled to it

Ah it’s true though. You can’t be denying facts. What’s the recovery rate? Does everyone have the same chance of being effected badly? The vast majority of people who died didn’t have pre existing conditions or were elderly? Come off it.

Dr. Bre · 08-09-2020 11:00PM

Strumms wrote: »

My girlfriend is a psychologist. She is also reasonably bad asthmatic, she takes medication and uses a nebulizer. The new meds though she is on have been pretty good as regards stabilization of symptoms, about two years since an attack.

As covid was kicking off she spoke with her GP who told her in no uncertain terms.. “ while covid is active, you are NOT to meet with clients, not even in an emergency “ her practice office was reasonably small and even without knowing her working environment the doctor was ‘no way Jose’. It could kill you.

One of our friends is an IT genius to put it mildly and set about fast tracking setting up a website for her business he’d been working on for her, plus... Skype, Zoom, Facebook etc... so that EVERY avenue could be open to clients to have their therapy sessions online.

Problem as always... she has two clients who before even trying it we’re trying to get her to meet instead in a local Starbucks in one case, in the local McDonald’s the other after initially suggesting a supermarket car park with windows open in their car...

One is a needy little bôllocks of a kid about 12, the other a 55 year old woman.

She told both upfront about her asthma, the lady will get help getting online begrudgingly after some tough love but the needy little bollix and the mother are still pressing for face to face... she has to mute her work phone even now at 6 every evening... “is there a way around this, Kyle needs to see you” etc... she was all for making an exception until I showed her literally videos of people in hospital with covid.... so she is standing her ground and willing to drop this little bollix and his old dear..l

Cool story bro

Happydays2020 · 08-09-2020 11:00PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Just listening to the news and their daily death count they tell us, so it was 1 today and 2 in the north.

People talk about the deaths and who terrible it is. Of course people dying isn't good but (and I'm not a CT or anti masker) but how many died today in Ireland from cancer, heart attacks, strokes, car accidents.......

Probably about 100 people died today.

Strumms · 08-09-2020 11:03PM

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Cool story bro

10/10 for that contribution, one of your better ones. :eek:

DebDynamite · 08-09-2020 11:04PM

majcos wrote: »

Patients are occasionally admitted to ICUs with a Covid-related illness without knowing/recognizing that they have Covid prior to becoming critically ill so could test positive after admission. The vast majority of suspected cases in ICUs however, are not really suspected cases based on symptoms and other testing but patients with another critical illness being screened as a precautionary measure. Cases admitted to ICU are given a priority for testing so turnaround time on results is much shorter.

If even one unrecognized positive slipped through the net in to an ICU, the implications are very serious for other patients and staff in that ICU. Think of doctors intubating patients, nurses suctioning out airways, etc. These procedures would have higher risk of spread.

Also if someone is already critically ill, for example from another form of sepsis, their chances of getting through that other critical illness plus Covid on top are even lower so extra caution is taken to screen all patients in ICUs. Hence, there will be a constant cohort suspected cases but definitely cannot read much in to its meaning without knowing the clinical context so that statistic on its own is not a good indicator for monitoring an increase in severe cases and perhaps should not be released publicly at all because it is misunderstood.

Thank you - very informative post.

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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