Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Cases have been increasing for weeks now. Allowing for the incubation period of up to 14 days, where are the surges in hospital and ICU admissions? How many are critically ill and dying? Those are the numbers that matter - not new cases and the ever increasing total (since March! :rolleyes:)

Answer - they're not and there isn't because CV-19 is not anywhere near as dangerous to the under 60/70s.

Who said anything about a surge? Are you denying the fact hospital and ICU admissions are increasing steadily? There’s ample evidence of an accelerating trend if you look at the daily operations reports from the hse. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-07-september-2020.pdf

47 empty beds in ICUs in the entire country so you better pray there isn’t a surge. 6 confirmed and 4 awaiting results. If the age group getting infected were to shift upward there probably would be a surge of sorts. That becomes more likely as cases continue to increase. You want to wait until the beds are full with more needed and then do something about it? Never mind all the non Covid patients that may need a bed.

It’s all very well saying nobody died today so let’s cancel all the restrictions but it’s not that simple unfortunately.

Yes we’re in recession now but guess what, that was a known outcome since day one so expecting it to change our approach is once again, too simplistic a take on the situation.

Deleted User wrote: »

ICU has gone from 4 to 6...

And it will stay low if we all follow the guidelines, isolate if you have the symptoms, keep the deaths low, lower the cases and move on.


But if we keep doing what we are doing right now, deaths will happen and creep up again.


Its pretty simple really, isolate if you have symptoms, any fool can follow that you would think

MadYaker wrote: »

Who said anything about a surge? Are you denying the fact hospital and ICU admissions are increasing steadily? There’s ample evidence of an accelerating trend if you look at the daily operations reports from the hse. https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/covid19-daily-operations-update-2000-07-september-2020.pdf

47 empty beds in ICUs in the entire country so you better pray there isn’t a surge. 6 confirmed and 4 awaiting results. If the age group getting infected were to shift upward there probably would be a surge of sorts. That becomes more likely as cases continue to increase. You want to wait until the beds are full with more needed and then do something about it? Never mind all the non Covid patients that may need a bed.

It’s all very well saying nobody died today so let’s cancel all the restrictions but it’s not that simple unfortunately.

Yes we’re in recession now but guess what, that was a known outcome since day one so expecting it to change our approach is once again, too simplistic a take on the situation.

Thats not counting the critical care beds in the private hospitals that can be used if required. Heard someone on the radio say that we have a total of 850 critical care beds available if required.

Very mature comment from a redditor

Penfailed wrote: »

...until curtain twitching was mentioned.

At the very end lol

funnydoggy wrote: »

Very mature comment from a redditor

I would be of similar sentiment. I was honestly delighted seeing hundreds of kids waiting to go to school locally for the first time in months.

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm glad that the pubs are reopening but sadly it must be because the economy is getting so bad.

We didn't open them all summer despite having much lower case numbers. There is obviously no logical reason to open now and not back then.

Can only assume that the changes to the PUP payment and the pubs reopening are the first signs that the economy is starting to dictate decision making.

the pubs aren't really huge contributers to the economy i believe, so it's unlikely the economy is the reason because their reopening wouldn't make a huge difference anyway.
PUP and similar were only ever going to be temporary, that was made clear right from the start, which i would have thought someone as "concerned" about the economy as you are would have known that.

Deleted User wrote: »

According to the source on the main thread who is usually spot on, there will be 308 cases announced today with 181 in Dublin.

Certainly seems like we are getting to a stage were we can't just keep saying "Next few weeks are critical". We have to move forward, even if it means accepting that a small number of people might die.

yes, the very thing we have been doing since the start of the temporary lockdown in march.
glad you are realising this now, we are beginning to get somewhere at last.

Deleted User wrote: »

The best thing about the pubs reopening is that now we can campaign against restrictions without constantly getting accused of just wanting pints.

I've been against the restrictions for so long now because I believe they are destroying the economy in some strange effort to prevent very unhealthy people from dying. I also believe that the recession we have now officially entered will have devastating impacts on peoples lives.

And I believe that the restrictions will cause more deaths than Covid anyways. It won't be measurable. We'll never know for sure how many suicides are down to recession/restrictions. We'll never know for sure how many deaths will be a result of delayed screenings/treatments/consultations.

We are officially in recession now. If we don't act now, we will eventually end up in depression.

no, you are against the restrictions because you simply don't like them, which is fine but it's not an argument against them.

GocRh wrote: »

More ‘allowed in Dáil bar than in chamber’ under new guidelines

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/more-allowed-in-d%C3%A1il-bar-than-in-chamber-under-new-guidelines-1.4349854

Beyond comical at this point.
I wonder how much the Oireachtas is paying for using the Convention Centre.

25k per day I believe was the figure reported a while back.

corcaigh07 wrote: »

I'm all in favour of the pubs reopening but do you reckon this is a bit of a knee jerk reaction from the Government now that we are officially in a recession?

Seems convenient that was announced yesterday and the pubs today. It's a massive shift in tone.

They will announce pubs reopening and in the next breath lockdown Dublin for a minimum of a month (they'll say 2 weeks but we all know that's BS).

TRANQUILLO wrote: »

I find your posts interesting and you definitely are no simpleton. I always give them a read but they are laced with arrogance and smart arsery (above being a case in point).

Its a thread about relaxing the restrictions and you're in here every day talking down to people and telling them to suck it up.

People post up new daily data and discuss new policies and you just come in every day with the same script on a wind up.

I never told anyone to suck it up (in this thread at least) but some people clearly need a dose of reality. I'm sorry if I came across as arrogant, I'm not like that in real life but I can't help but get frustrated when I read some of the stuff posted here. I'm the only person that actually posts links and backs up points with data and evidence and I'm not on a wind up.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Can you have an asymptomatic flu does anyone know?

Absolutely. You can be asymptomatic and shed influenza virus, infecting other people without ever knowing it due to partial immunity.

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Covid 19 now in flu territory with CFR % over the last month. All great news.

Seems very harmless to anyone not already dying, also good news.

We overreacted, but its time to move on and get back to normal.

The inquest will hopefully find NPHET criminally negligent so this won't be repeated every flu season, which is a fear of mine. It was so easy implement the restrictions and kill citizens by the cancellation of cancer treatment's etc, so its important those in charge are more rational in future

Can you have an asymptomatic flu does anyone know?

Except we are all dying.

MadYaker wrote: »

You heard someone on the radio? When? I can't find any info on the HSE website saying there was that many. You know in March and April they almost emptied the hospitals. Doing that again is out of the question. The amount trauma and disruption caused to non covid patients can't be repeated. Did it lead to people dying? Maybe, either way I don't think we can do it again. That's why have to get a handle on this and I'm not sure we have that at the moment.

Don't worry, the point of the lockdown was so that we would flatten the curve and allow the HSE build up resources so that we could live with the virus.

They have had their time to purchase ventilators and increase ICU capacity. A longer time than most of our counterparts.