Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

froog · 07-09-2020 07:16PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

How is it misleading when he has a PhD?

do people really not know thew difference between a PhD and a MD?

07-09-2020 07:17PM

If every week is really really important, no week is really important.

majcos · 07-09-2020 07:18PM

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-particularly-concerned-about-dublin-and-limerick-dr-ronan-glynn-issues-stark-warning-as-coronavirus-cases-rise-39510217.html

Did Dr. Glynn say nine in ICU in his briefing? This Irish Independent article online from 5.29pm says nine in ICU.

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 07:22PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My former English teacher has a PhD but I won't ask him for medical advice and he wouldn't allow people to think the Dr confers the right to offer medical advice.
Although I suspect he uses the term Dr as opposed to his medical qualification as a nurse because of the perception of credibility Dr implies. Just my opinion though.

But Dr John Campbell hasn't been giving medical advice. He's been teaching nursing students, has been researching covid and giving us information on what he finds in his videos. He gives links to where he gets his info.

Goldengirl · 07-09-2020 07:22PM

froog wrote: »

At the risk of sounding snobbish, hes a nurse trainer and probably a very good one. An expert on epidemiology/pandemics/infectious diseases he is not.

In fairness , while I don't subscribe to anyone who would call themselves Dr and then their first name , like he is talking to children , you are sounding snobbish , and a little bit uninformed.
Many nurses have masters and PhDs can treat and prescribe , and know as much in their field as any general doctor.

If he talks sense and is explaining what is happening and latest research to people in a way they can understand , where is the harm ?
His main qualification is teaching after all , and that is what he is doing .
He doesn't appear to have any agenda as far as I can see except to inform people .
Also he has never represented himself as an expert in any of what you say , only as a nurse / nurse trainer educator.

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 07:24PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

In fairness , while I don't subscribe to anyone who would call themselves Dr and then their first name , like he is talking to children , you are sounding snobbish , and a little bit uninformed.
Many nurses have masters and PhDs can treat and prescribe , and know as much in their field as any general doctor.

If he talks sense and is explaining what is happening and latest research to people in a way they can understand , where is the harm ?
His main qualification is teaching after all , and that is what he is doing .
He doesn't appear to have any agenda as far as I can see except to inform people .

I love his drawings when he explains things. He really explains things very well.

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:25PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

But Dr John Campbell hasn't been giving medical advice. He's been teaching nursing students, has been researching covid and giving us information on what he finds in his videos. He gives links to where he gets his info.

Has he a medical Doctorate?

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 07:26PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has he a medical Doctorate?

He has a PhD.

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:26PM

majcos wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-particularly-concerned-about-dublin-and-limerick-dr-ronan-glynn-issues-stark-warning-as-coronavirus-cases-rise-39510217.html

Did Dr. Glynn say nine in ICU in his briefing? This Irish Independent article online from 5.29pm says nine in ICU.

6 according to the Covid App not sure when it updates.

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:27PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

He has a PhD.

My old English teacher has a PhD in literature. What has John his PhD in ?

thelad95 · 07-09-2020 07:27PM

Ohmeha wrote: »

After their last appeal two weeks ago I haven't seen any improvement around Dublin city inside the shops and on the DART. Too much touching, wearing below the nose, wearing below the chin and still noticeable amounts of people of all ages (particularly the younger ones who you know don't have any underlying conditions) brazenly not wearing anything and being let away with it with no evidence of enforcement. I expect when the health system starts to creak come November we will belatedly see on the spot fines actually happening and retailers refusing entry

They urgently need to post information leaflets to households with education around facemask wearing. I firmly believe that a lot of people genuinely mean well enough to wear them but could actually be causing harm as they are engaging in practices they don't realise are wrong.

I'd also argue that facemasks should be free (subject to there being no catastrophic shortages), they're really not cheap like a disposable one (which in best practice should be disposed of in a few hours) is at least €2 and often more.

Generally the only people I see not wearing them nowadays are quite frankly very clearly welfare scroungers and in there defense maybe they just can't justify the cost.

Jim_Hodge · 07-09-2020 07:29PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has he a medical Doctorate?

No. He is a nurse with a PhD that focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses.

spookwoman · 07-09-2020 07:29PM

Rolling Week ending totals
Cases / Deaths
Day|Date|Cases|Deaths|Case Denot|Death Denot|Total Cases|Total Deaths|Week Avg|Week Tot
Mon|24/08/2020|147|0|0|0|28,116|1,777|117.57|832
|Totals|823|6|20|3|28,116| 1,777| 117.57| 832
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Mon|31/08/2020|53|0|2|0|28,811|1,777|101.86|713
|Totals|713|0|18|0|28,811|1,777| 101.86|713
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Tue|01/09/2020|217|0|3|0|29,025|1,777|119.71|838
Wed|02/09/2020|89|1|0|1|29,225|1,777|109.00|763
Thur|03/09/2020|95|0|3|0|29,206|1,777|109.29|765
Fri|04/09/2020|98|0|1|0|29,303|1,777|105.14|736
Sat|05/09/2020|231|0|0|0|29,534|1,777|117.86|825
Sun|06/09/2020|138|0|0|0|29,672|1,777|131.57|921
Mon|07/09/2020|102|0|0|0|29,774|1,777|138.57|970
|Totals|970|1|7|1|29,774|1,777|138.57|970

Hospital Data (Gov.ie) 2 Days Behind
Day|Date|Hospital|Inc|ICU|Inc|Deaths|Inc|Healthcare workers|Inc|Clusters|Inc|Cases Assoc|Inc|
Sat|22/08/2020|3,398|+2|443|-|1,519|-|8,553|+3|2,580|+1|15,175|+4
|Totals|-|11|-|1|-|3|-|52|-|83|-|358
Sat|29/08/2020|3,400|+6|446|-|1,519|-|8,628|+7|2,741|-|15,751|+8
|Totals|-|2|-|3|-|0|-|75|-|161|-|576
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Sun|30/08/2020|3,405|+5|446|-|1,519|-|8,637|+9|2,733|-8|15,764|+13
Mon|31/08/2020|3,411|+6|447|+1|1,519|-|8,660|+23|2,783|+50|15,902|+138
Tue|01/09/2020|3,415|+4|447|-|1,519|-|8,678|+18|2,810|+27|15,964|+62
Wed|02/09/2020|3,412|-3|447|-|1,519|-|8,695|+17|2,826|+16|16,025|+61
Thur|03/09/2020|3,418|+6|448|+1|1,519|-|8,719|+24|2,848|+22|16,107|+82
Fri|04/09/2020|3,424|+6|448|-|1,519|-|8,742|+23|2,865|+17|16,147|+40
Sat|05/09/2020|3,427|+3|448|-|1519|-|8,771|+29|2,878|+13|?|?
Totals|-|-|27|-|2|-|0|-|143|-|137|-|?|

HSE Beds (HSE.ie) Released approx. 10pm at night
CC = Critical Care
Day|Date|Total CC Beds|Inc|Tot CC Beds Open|Inc|Tot Occupied CC|Inc|Occupied Covid|Inc|Available Adult CC Public|Inc|Vacant Gen|Inc|Adult Pub|Inc|Paed|Inc|Private|Inc
Sun|23/08/20|428|-|353|-|274|-4|6|-|50|-2|609|-82|50|-1|10|+1|16|+3
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Sun|30/08/20|435|+4|356|+1|281|-5|5|-|47|+5|530|-137|47|+5|6|-1|21|+3
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Mon|31/08/20|436|+1|351|-5|276|-5|6|+1|41|-6|238|-292|41|-6|6|-|14|-7
Tue|01/09/20|437|+1|356|+5|287|+11|6|-|41|-|262|+24|41|-|1|-5|12|-2
Wed|02/09/20|441|+4|348|-8|287|-|6|-|39|-2|283|+21|39|-2|2|+1|9|-3
Thur|03/09/20|440|-1|350|+2|291|+4|7|+1|40|+1|299|+16|40|+1|1|-1|8|-1
Fri|04/09/20|440|-|347|-3|283|-8|7|-|49|+9|358|+59|49|+9|3|+2|6|-2
Sat|05/09/20|439|-1|347|-|287|+4|7|-|46|-3|568|+210|46|-3|2|-1|12|+6
Sun|06/09/20|436|-3|345|-2|276|-11|6|-1|48|+2|442|-126|48|+2|2|-|16|+4

HSE Critical Care Covid 19 Data(HSE.ie) Released approx. 10pm at night
CC = Critical Care
Day|Date|Confirmed CC|Suspected CC|Confirmed CC Deaths|Suspected CC Deaths|Confirmed Ventilated|Suspected Ventilated
Sun|23/08/20|6|10|0|0|2|4
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Sun|30/08/20|5|14|0|0|4|6
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Mon|31/08/20|6|11|0|0|5|1
Tue|01/09/20|6|15|0|0|6|5
Wed|02/09/20|6|9|0|0|6|5
Thur|03/09/20|7|6|0|0|6|3
Fri|04/09/20|7|7|0|0|6|4
Sat|05/09/20|7|8|0|0|6|5
Sun|06/09/20|6|7|0|0|6|3

Transmission week totals (Gov.ie 2 days behind and Daily Press Release)
Day|Date|Community|%|%Inc|Close Contact|%|%Inc|Travel%|Unknown
Fri|21/08/2020|21|30.7%|+.2%|30|66.3%|-.3%|2.4%|0.7%
Sat|22/08/2020|15|30.7%|-|68|66.2%|-.1%|2.4%|0.7%
Sun|23/08/2020|16|30.5%|-.2%|23|66.4%|+.2%|2.4%|0.7%
Mon|24/08/2020|14|30.4%-.1%|60|66.5%|+1%|2.4|0.7%
Totals||99|||340|-|-|-|
|-|-||-|-|-|-|-|-|
Fri|28/08/2020|8|30.3%|+.1%|66|66.4%|-.3%|2.5%|0.9%
Sat|29/08/2020|19|-30.2%|-.1%|32|66.5%|+.1%|2.5%|0.8%
Sun|30/08/20|6|30.1%|-.1%|15|60.7%|+.2%|2.5%|0.8%
Mon|31/08/20|14|30.2%|+.1%|27|60.6%|-.1%|2.5%|0.8%

Totals||91|||339|-|-|-|
|-|-||-|-|-|-|-|-|
Tue|01/09/20|19|30.1%|-.1%|103|66.6%|-|2.5%|0.8%
Wed|02/09/2020|8|30.1%|-|53|66.7%|+.1%|2.5%|0.8%
Thur|03/09/2020|16|30.1%|-|47% 45±|66.7%|-|2.5%|0.8%
Fri|04/09/2020|9|30.2%|+.1%|42% 41±|66.4%|-.3%|2.5%|0.9%
Sat|05/09/2020|54|30.2%|-|48% 111|66.4%|-|2.5%|0.9%
Sun|06/09/2020|23|-|-|39% 54|-|-|-|-
Mon|07/09/2020|19|-|-|48% 49±|-|-|-|-

Totals||148|||456±

No results released on a Sunday
Testing week totals (Hub)
Day|Date|Total|Hospital|Inc|Lab|Inc|Total Pos|%Pos|24 Tested|Week Tested|%Week Pos
Sun|23/08/20|772,797|291,806|1,906|480,991|3,532|-|-|5,438|52,754|-
Mon|24/08/20|777,635|293,616|1,810|484,019|3,028|31,380|4.0%|4,838|52,061|1.4%
Totals||||17,503||34,558|729
Sun|30/08/20|830,474|311,193|2,314|519,281|3,448|-|-|5,762|57,677|-
Mon|31/08/20|839,814|313,102|1,909|526,712|7,431|32,143|3.8%|9,340|62,179|1.2%
Totals||||19,486||42,693|763

Tue|01/09/20|844,706|316,092|2,909|528,614|1,902|32,233|3.8%|4,892|62,056|1.2%
Wed|02/09/20|852,007|319,781|3,689|532,226|3,612|32,338|3.8%|7,301|61,709|1.2%
Thur|03/09/20|864,508|323,311|3,350|541,197|8,971|32,475|3.8%|12,501|61,936|1.2%
Fri|04/09/20|878,572|326,445|3,134|552,127|10,930|32,630|3.7%|14,064|63,697|1.3%
Sat|05/09/20|889,757|329,119|2,672|560,640|8,513|32,784|3.7%|11,185|64,942||1.35
Sun|06/09/20|900,179|331,224|2,107|568,955|8,315|-|-|10,422|-|-
Mon|07/09/20|906,432|333,388|2,164|573,044|4,089|33,190|3.7%|6,253|66,618|1.6%
Totals||||20,238||44,807|850

26/08/20 Hub discrepancy of 17, 7648 listed as 24hr total should be 7665.
05/09/20 Hub discrepancy of 64,942 listed as Week total should be 65,045
No Positive on Sundays

Age Affected 2 Days Behind
Day|Date|0-4|Inc|5-14|Inc|15-24|Inc|25-34|Inc|35-44|Inc|45-54|Inc|55-64|Inc|65-74|Inc|74-84|Inc|85+|Inc|?|Inc|65+|Inc
Sat|22/08/20|271|+1|499|+4|2,396|+19|4,878|+10|4,915|+47|4,924|+16|3,445|+6|1,903|-|2,330|+1|2,386|-|22|+1
Totals|-|-|26|-|57|-|165|-|159|-|116|-|92|-|65|-|20|-|8|-|3|-|1
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Sat|29/08/20|293|+3|562|+2|2,591|+12|5,031|+6|5,041|+5|5,035|+7|3,505|+2|1,931|-|2,355|+3|2,391|-|23|-|1|-
Totals|-|-|22|-|63|-|195|-|153|-|126|-|111|-|60|-|28|-|25|-|5|-|1
|||||||||||||||||||||||
Sun|30/08/2020|291|+1|567|+5|2,602|+11|5,041|+10|5,052|+11|5,038|+3|3,514|+9|1,930|-1|2,356|+1|2,391|-|23|-
Mon|31/08/2020|301|+7|590|+23|2,650|+48|5,083|+42|5,084|+32|5,067|+29|3,529|+15|1,938|+8|2,363|+7|2,397|+6|23|-
Tue|01/09/2020|303|+2|602|+12|2,675|+25|5,094|+11|5,089|+5|5,078|+11|3,536|+7|1,940|+2|2,369|+6|2,402|+5|23|-
Wed|02/09/2020|307|+4|612|+10|2,694|+19|5,109|+15|5,105|+16|5,087|+9|3,545|+9|1,947|+7|2,372|+3|2,403|+1|24|+1
Thur|03/09/2020|315|+8|622|+10|2,713|+19|5,127|+18|5,115|+10|5,101|+14|3,554|+9|1,947|-|2,374|+2|2,411|+8|24|-
Fri|03/09/2020|321|+6|636|+14|2761|+48|5178|+51|5157|+42|5129|+28|3571|+17|1962|+15|2381|+7|2414|+3|24|-
Mon|04/09/2020|328|+7|640|+4|2792|+31|5203|+25|5183|26|5148|+19|3581|+10|-|-|-|-|-|-|24|-|6773|+16

Totals|-|-|35|-|78|-|201|-|172|-|142|-|113|-|76|-|31|-|29|-|23|-|1|-|96

Age Hospitalised 2 Days behind
Day|Date|0-4|Inc|5-14|Inc|15-24|Inc|25-34|Inc|35-44|Inc|45-54|Inc|55-64|Inc|65-74|Inc|74-84|Inc|85+|Inc|?|Inc|65+|inc
Sat|22/08/20|24|-|18|-|81|+1|207|+1|279|-|456|-|503|-|596|-|753|-|480|-|1|-
Totals|-|-|0|-|0|-|0|-|4|-|2|-|2|-|0|-|2|-|0|-|1|-|0

Sat|29/08/20|26|+1|19|+1|81|+2|208|-|280|-|456|-|505|+1|594|-|754|+1|476|-|1|-
Totals|-|-|2|-|1|-|0|-|1|-|1|-|0|-|2|-|-2|-|1|-|-4|-|0
Sun|30/08/20|26|-|19|-|81|-|209|+1|282|+2|457|+1|505|-|595|+1|754|-|476|-|1|-
Mon|31/08/20|27|+1|19|-|82|+1|210|+1|281|-1|457|-|505|-|595|-|757|+3|477|+1|1|-
Tue|01/09/20|26|-1|19|-|82|-|210|-|280|-1|458|+1|504|-1|595|-|759|+2|481|+4|1|-
Wed|02/09/20|25|-1|19|-|80|-2|210|-|278|-2|458|-|503|-1|598|+3|759|-|481|-|1|-
Thur|03/09/20|26|+1|20|+1|81|+1|209|-1|278|-|458|-|504|+1|598|-|760|+1|483|+2|1|-
Fri|04/09/20|26|-|20|-|83|+2|209|-|278|-|458|-|505|+1|601|+3|760|-|483|-|1|-
Sat|05/09/20|26|-|20|-|83|-|209|-|278|-|459|+1|505|-|-|-|-|-|-|-||1846|+2|
Totals|-|-|1|-|2|-|4|-|1|-|-2|-|2|-|1|-|7|-|7|-|7|-|0|-|19

County (Gov.ie) 2 Days behind
County|RW22/8|29/8|inc|Total|30/8|inc|31/8|inc|01/9|inc|02/9|inc|03/9|inc|04/9|inc|05/9|Inc|Total
Carlow|16|246|+2|26|246|-|247|+1|249|+2|251|+2|253|+2|254|+1|255|+1|9
Cavan|1|892|-|9|892|-|895|+3|895|-|895|-|895|-|900|+5|900|-|8
Clare|11|463|+2|20|465|+2|471|+6|473|+2|474|+1|477|+3|478|1|479|+1|16
Cork|19|1,638|-|24|1,639|+1|16,41|+2|1,643|+2|1,645|+2|1,649|+4|1655|+6|1660|+5|22
Donegal|8|537|-|25|537|-|540|+3|540|-|540|-|540|-|545|+5|247|+2|10
Dublin|260|13,352|+22|345|13,380|+28|13,483|+103|13,535|+52|13,587|+52|13,611|+24|13744|+133|13812|+68|460
Galway|2|515|+1|6|515|-|517|+2|517|-|517|-|518|+1|525|+7|534|+9|19
Kerry|5|328|-|2|329|+1|328|-1|329|+1|330|+1|338|+8|340|+2|340|-|12
Kildare|163|2,247|+4|73|2,247|-|2,272|+25|2,274|+2|2,280|+6|2,293|+13|2311|+18|2320|+9|73
Kilkenny|22|400|+2|6|400|-|400|-|404|+4|407|+4|413|+6|413|-|416|+3|16
Laois|15|383|-|10|384|+1|384|-|385|+1|387|+2|390|+3|392|+2|396|+4|13
Leitrim|0|85|-|0|85|-|85|-|85|-|86|-|87|+1|89|+2|90|+1|5
Limerick|42|742|+6|45|753|+11|770|+17|783|+13|785|+2|791|+6|804|+13|817|+13|75
Longford|3|296|+2|4|300|+4|300|-|301|+1|302|+1|303|+1|303|-|304|+1|8
Louth|9|825|-|9|825|-|830|+5|830|-|832|+2|838|+6|540|+2|840|-|15
Mayo|2|588|-|1|588|-|588|-|588|-|589|+1|589|-|591|+2||592|+1|4
Meath|15|898|-|20|899|+1|903|+4|905|+2|911|+6|913|+2|919|+6|920|+1|22
Monaghan|3|570|-|18|570|-|573|+3|573|-|573|-|575|+2|578|+3|578|-|8
Offaly|8|623|+1|16|623|-|625|+2|626|+1|629|+3|633|+4|641|+8|644|+3|21
Roscommon|3|362|-|9|636|+1|364|+1|364|-|364|-|364|-|364|-|365|+1|3
Sligo|0|157|+1|1|157|-|157|-|157|-|157|-|157|-|158|+1|158|-|1
Tipperary|72|696|-1|59|697|+1|714|+17|716|+2|719|+3|724|+5|726|+2|728|+2|32
Waterford|13|189|-|8|189|-|196|+7|197|+1|200|+3|204|+4|209|+5|211|+2|22
Westmeath|2|689|-|5|690|-|691|+1|692|+1|694|+2|694|-|694|-|695|+1|6
Wexford|18|294|-|29|294|-|298|+4|300|+2|302|+2|305|+3|305|-|310|+5|16
Wicklow|0|743|-|19|741|-2|748|+7|750|+2|749|-1|749|-|756|+7|761|+5|18

07-09-2020 07:29PM

wadacrack wrote: »

https://twitter.com/ronan_glynn/status/1303031593687298049

He is still right though. Dropping our guard is our worst enemy against this and maintaining vigilance will protect more people from than virus and the economic impacts than any increased restrictions, loose talk of lockdowns or the opposite.

I will relate a case, of cluster of cases I know of through family friend of relatives that has 3 elderly people in hospital right now. I know one of the 3 having met at family weddings, funerals etc.

An older person after lockdown, even though they were elderly, starting behaving as normal and visiting as many people as possible. They got Covid symptoms, but wrote it off as something else. On finally contacting doctor they were tested, but while waiting results a family friend visited. The index case never said anything even though the visitor had pre existing condition. On confrontation of the positive they never identified the visitor as a contact or informed them of the test. This person proceeded a couple of days later to visit a sibling of the first person and their spouse . Both of these subsequently got sick, one mild and recovering at home, but the other got quite ill. Only for the two siblings had the same gp, the link would never have been made. A further 5 cases have been identified in this cluster, all mild or asymptomatic in relatively young people. All through the behaviour of the first case. It shows that letting our guard down in our own homes , and while visiting each other is the most dangerous environment as our guard is down. Ironically the couple where one is currently very ill were continuing to isolate, having only had a handful of contacts over the whole pandemic

Jim_Hodge · 07-09-2020 07:31PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

He has a PhD.

So has my son in law - in engineering. Be also knows damn all about virology.

stephenjmcd · 07-09-2020 07:31PM

majcos wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-are-particularly-concerned-about-dublin-and-limerick-dr-ronan-glynn-issues-stark-warning-as-coronavirus-cases-rise-39510217.html

Did Dr. Glynn say nine in ICU in his briefing? This Irish Independent article online from 5.29pm says nine in ICU.

Nope 6 he said

Goldengirl · 07-09-2020 07:33PM

Assetbacked wrote: »

Locking down again for something that is killing approximately 50 people per year based on the last 5 weeks is hilarious. Can't believe the word lockdown is even still used in relation to covid let alone having a thread dedicated to discussing it!

Are you talking about this thread?

Nothing re lockdown in the title .

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:33PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

No. He is a nurse with a PhD that focused on the development of open learning resources for nurses.

Had a look myself I don't understand the reluctance here to state his PhD field. He has a doctorate in philosophy.
Personally i'm aware anyone who holds a PhD can use the title Dr but I suspect many like I equate the title to medical Doctor.

07-09-2020 07:33PM

shinzon wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/health/2020/0907/1163645-covid-hospital-figures/?fbclid=IwAR0F0EcM_mW-XvnZl8dr-LhIRU_EFT9z0AseTGubjTDnfw-lXdXf9exiQqM

Shin

His colleague from the infectious diseases department in Beaumont , Eoghan de Barra on the radio this morning was far less alarmist, and ultimately far more helpful in his approach to informing the public

majcos · 07-09-2020 07:34PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Nope 6 he said

Thanks. Hopefully just a mistake in the article.

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 07:35PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

My old English teacher has a PhD in literature. What has John his PhD in ?

That makes your old English teacher a doctor as well.

07-09-2020 07:36PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Had a look myself I don't understand the reluctance here to state his PhD field. He has a doctorate in philosophy.
Personally i'm aware anyone who holds a PhD can use the title Dr but I suspect many like I equate the title to medical Doctor.

No he is a Dr of philosophy or PhD for short, which is the title given to someone with an academic doctorate as opposed to medical. Think it’s actually in education

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:37PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

That makes your old English teacher a doctor as well.

True but he knows nothing about epidemiology and wouldn't use the title to give the impression he does.

khalessi · 07-09-2020 07:44PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Had a look myself I don't understand the reluctance here to state his PhD field. He has a doctorate in philosophy.
Personally i'm aware anyone who holds a PhD can use the title Dr but I suspect many like I equate the title to medical Doctor.

Well as long as it is state correctly, not Philosophy as such.

The University of BoltonThe University of Bolton
The University of Bolton
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.)Teaching bioscience in national and international nurse education.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b

Traditionally the Title of Doctor was only associated with those who had a Phd, not medical doctors, Anyone with a doctorate can be called ‘doctor’. The doctor’s degree was a product of the medieval universities; this higher degree simply conferred the right to teach.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/re-who-entitled-be-called-doctor
RE: Who is Entitled to be called 'Doctor'?
Dr. James P. Winter, Professor, University of Windsor
Other Contributors:
Dr. Abdul-Fattah Asfour, Professor, University of Windsor
13 February 2018
Whom Should We Really Call A “Doctor?”
These days many health professionals use the title “doctor.” Indeed, the Canadian Press Stylebook now decrees that the title of doctor is reserved only for physicians. Physicians, surgeons, dentists, chiropodists, university professors, and in some countries pharmacists…etc. describe themselves as “doctors.” This begs the question: are they? In order to answer this question, one has to examine that title from both linguistic and historical standpoints.
The word doctor is derived from the Latin verb “docere,” meaning to teach, or a scholar. Only by special arrangement do any of the preceding professionals teach. Only university professors with a doctoral degree normally teach at a university. Historically speaking, the title “Doctor” was invented in the middle ages to describe eminent scholars. These doctorates date back to the 1300s. Such people were accorded a lot of respect and prestige.
The Ph.D., or Doctor of Philosophy, is the highest graduate degree awarded by our universities.
Health professionals receive undergraduate degrees in medicine. It is a professional degree, and not really a doctorate. The M.D. degree is not a part of Graduate faculties at North American universities.
It has now become fashionable to award so-called “Doctor of Law” degrees to undergraduate law school graduates in the form of a Juris Doctor or J.D. degree, including at the University of Windsor. These too are merely undergraduate degrees.
Because of the respect and prestige, medical schools particularly in Scotland started to address their graduates as “Doctors” in the 17th Century. The argument was that graduates of such schools obtain a bachelor’s degree before joining medical school. There are problems with such logic; namely, a degree past a bachelor’s degree could potentially be a master’s degree, but not a doctoral degree.
A doctoral degree (Ph.D.) is a degree that one earns after a Master’s degree. A Ph.D. entitles a person to use the title “Doctor.” These are the social and physical scientists who conduct and evaluate published research. A Ph.D. degree is normally obtained after 6 to 8 years of hard work past the bachelor’s degree.
Because of such a confusion, when we are asked in a physician’s or a dentist’s office what kind of doctor we are, we respond: “the real one.” We are the ones who teach the others.
I hope that this contribution helps in clearing up the confusion in the community about the title “Doctor.”
The Canadian Press (CP) should change its policy and stylebook to reflect these facts and this history.
This contribution should not be construed as an attack on any professional or any group of professionals. The main purpose here is to educate the public.

Dr. Abdul-Fattah A. Asfour, Professor Dr. James P. Winter, Professor
Environmental Engineering Communication Media & Film
University of Windsor. University of Windsor.

Goldengirl · 07-09-2020 07:44PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

True but he knows nothing about epidemiology and wouldn't use the title to give the impression he does.

Again a circular argument going nowhere .
It has already been said by those who are supporting him , repeatedly at this stage , that the man quite clearly states his qualifications and he is a nurse with a phD .

Away With The Fairies · 07-09-2020 07:45PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

True but he knows nothing about epidemiology and wouldn't use the title to give the impression he does.

So what are you saying?

Dr John Campbell has a PhD and has tought nurses.

Epidemiology = the branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health

I would kind of hope that a retired nurse like him and teaching nurses would know about diseases and infection control.

Goldengirl · 07-09-2020 07:47PM

khalessi wrote: »

Well as long as it is state correctly, not Philosophy as such.

The University of BoltonThe University of Bolton
The University of Bolton
Doctor of Philosophy (Ph.D.)Teaching bioscience in national and international nurse education.

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/dr-john-campbell-5256223b

Traditionally the Title of Doctor was only associated with those who had a Phd, not medical doctors, Anyone with a doctorate can be called ‘doctor’. The doctor’s degree was a product of the medieval universities; this higher degree simply conferred the right to teach.

https://www.cmaj.ca/content/re-who-entitled-be-called-doctor
RE: Who is Entitled to be called 'Doctor'?
Dr. James P. Winter, Professor, University of Windsor
Other Contributors:
Dr. Abdul-Fattah Asfour, Professor, University of Windsor
13 February 2018
Whom Should We Really Call A “Doctor?”
These days many health professionals use the title “doctor.” Indeed, the Canadian Press Stylebook now decrees that the title of doctor is reserved only for physicians. Physicians, surgeons, dentists, chiropodists, university professors, and in some countries pharmacists…etc. describe themselves as “doctors.” This begs the question: are they? In order to answer this question, one has to examine that title from both linguistic and historical standpoints.
The word doctor is derived from the Latin verb “docere,” meaning to teach, or a scholar. Only by special arrangement do any of the preceding professionals teach. Only university professors with a doctoral degree normally teach at a university. Historically speaking, the title “Doctor” was invented in the middle ages to describe eminent scholars. These doctorates date back to the 1300s. Such people were accorded a lot of respect and prestige.
The Ph.D., or Doctor of Philosophy, is the highest graduate degree awarded by our universities.
Health professionals receive undergraduate degrees in medicine. It is a professional degree, and not really a doctorate. The M.D. degree is not a part of Graduate faculties at North American universities.
It has now become fashionable to award so-called “Doctor of Law” degrees to undergraduate law school graduates in the form of a Juris Doctor or J.D. degree, including at the University of Windsor. These too are merely undergraduate degrees.
Because of the respect and prestige, medical schools particularly in Scotland started to address their graduates as “Doctors” in the 17th Century. The argument was that graduates of such schools obtain a bachelor’s degree before joining medical school. There are problems with such logic; namely, a degree past a bachelor’s degree could potentially be a master’s degree, but not a doctoral degree.
A doctoral degree (Ph.D.) is a degree that one earns after a Master’s degree. A Ph.D. entitles a person to use the title “Doctor.” These are the social and physical scientists who conduct and evaluate published research. A Ph.D. degree is normally obtained after 6 to 8 years of hard work past the bachelor’s degree.
Because of such a confusion, when we are asked in a physician’s or a dentist’s office what kind of doctor we are, we respond: “the real one.” We are the ones who teach the others.
I hope that this contribution helps in clearing up the confusion in the community about the title “Doctor.”
The Canadian Press (CP) should change its policy and stylebook to reflect these facts and this history.
This contribution should not be construed as an attack on any professional or any group of professionals. The main purpose here is to educate the public.

Dr. Abdul-Fattah A. Asfour, Professor Dr. James P. Winter, Professor
Environmental Engineering Communication Media & Film
University of Windsor. University of Windsor.

Yes, most general doctors do not hold a phd , but a Bachelor in Medicine, not a " medical doctorate " .

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:47PM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Again a circular argument going nowhere .
It has already been said by those who are supporting him , repeatedly at this stage , that the man quite clearly states his qualifications and he is a nurse with a phD .

Can you keep your word and continue to ingore me as you stated you would on Saturday night? Reporting someone for a row you were trying to incite that was an interesting way of behaving. Good evening I have nothing further to say to you.

Plumbthedepths · 07-09-2020 07:49PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

So what are you saying?

Dr John Campbell has a PhD and has tought nurses.

Epidemiology = the branch of medicine which deals with the incidence, distribution, and possible control of diseases and other factors relating to health

I would kind of hope that a retired nurse like him and teaching nurses would know about diseases and infection control.

So he's a teacher , thanks for the explanation.

Goldengirl · 07-09-2020 07:49PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Can you keep your word and continue to ingore me as you stated you would on Saturday night? Reporting someone for a row you were trying to incite that was an interesting way of behaving. Good evening I have nothing further to say to you.

I will continue to call out bs as I see it and report if people deserve it , no apologies .

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