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Provincial Past

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1990 sees TE 35 loading up Tralee with a service to Rosslare via Killarney and Cork. Today in 2020 this is route 40 in the Expressway network. TE 35 was one of forty buses with Leyland Tiger chassis and Alexander bodywork delivered between 1988 and 1989. The class also introduced this livery for Expressway that was rolled out to other types.
    The TE Class ended their careers on school duties and were withdrawn around 2008. 03/08/1990

    50184706703_53f8135102_c.jpgProvincial Past (28) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1983 sees KD 50 parked in the yard at Galway Station. This bus was based in Limerick and had just completed a trip on the Expressway route from there (which today is route 51/X51). The bus was delivered new in 1981 and lasted until the mid-1990s. 13/08/1983

    50210354258_54b1d140cf_c.jpgProvincial Past (29) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1996 sees KC 180 in Limerick. The bus is operating a service on route 8 to Raheen. The bus was delivered new to Limerick in 1985 and was withdrawn in 2000. The bus is in an all-over ad for Allied Irish Banks. 26/08/1996

    50263914331_6c8abf988c_c.jpgProvincial Past (30) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    At the start of this series I stated that one of the rules would be no photos from Dublin, and instead it would focus on the rest of Ireland. Well, we got as far as Provincial Past (31) for the rule to be broken, but I think this is special enough to justify it.
    1987 sees Bus Eireann's KR 2 at the Janelle Shopping Centre in Finglas. The shopping centre was converted from an old factory and opened in 1987. The anchor tenant was Super Crazy Prices, a division of Quinnsworth. Both were taken over by Tesco in the 1990s. Bus Eireann won the contract to provide a shuttle bus service from Cabra and Blanchardstown to the centre. KR 2 and KR 219 were allocated to the service and received this special livery / all-over ad for it. The service ran until the 1990s (the shopping centre itself was later replaced by Clearwater Centre in the late 1990s / early 2000s), and thus it was one of the rare bus services (albeit contacted) that ran in Dublin city and was operated by Bus Eireann.
    KR 143 also provided a similar service in a similar livery in Wexford town.
    KR 2 was second member of the 226 strong KR class built by GAC Bombardier. It entered service in 1986.
    Finglas, 01/09/1987

    50290460613_a6a698e405_c.jpgProvincial Past (31) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1992 sees KC 6 in Waterford while operating a service to Browne's Road. KC 6 was delivered new to Waterford in 1983. Between 1992 and 1996 it moved to Galway, and by 1998 was withdrawn in Thurles.
    Currently in 2020 Browne's Road is the terminus for the W4 but previous to 2018 it was for the 603. The Quay, Waterford, 08/09/1992

    50316690511_e6b00622f8_c.jpgProvinical Past (32) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭clunked


    No sign of a ticket machine. TPO service??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Csalem wrote: »
    1992 sees KC 6 in Waterford while operating a service to Browne's Road. KC 6 was delivered new to Waterford in 1983. Between 1992 and 1996 it moved to Galway, and by 1998 was withdrawn in Thurles.
    Currently in 2020 Browne's Road is the terminus for the W4 but previous to 2018 it was for the 603. The Quay, Waterford, 08/09/1992

    50316690511_e6b00622f8_c.jpgProvinical Past (32) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    It was destined for Cork, both it and KC 5 were transferred to Thurles for collection by Cork, only 5 was collected. I read somewhere that KC5 was against the wall in Waterford and condemned for scrap before being rebuilt in 1997.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    clunked wrote: »
    No sign of a ticket machine. TPO service??

    I think there is a ticket machine behind the windscreen wiper, below the passenger's arm.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Csalem wrote: »
    I think there is a ticket machine behind the windscreen wiper, below the passenger's arm.

    That looks like a shopping trolley.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 369 ✭✭clunked


    Csalem wrote: »
    I think there is a ticket machine behind the windscreen wiper, below the passenger's arm.
    Its a stand for an Almex machine but not the machine itself. Funnily enough, Kennelly's had conductors on their buses at this time


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Did the super crazy prices bus play music or advertising out of them speakers up top?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    clunked wrote: »
    Its a stand for an Almex machine but not the machine itself. Funnily enough, Kennelly's had conductors on their buses at this time

    One of the machines could be attached directly to it, the other required a stand. KC5 just had a stand bolted on there, so only one type of machine could be used. They were what we called the ‘city’ and ‘country’ ticket machines. Although some city drivers had them permanently, the other machines were notorious for breaking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Did the super crazy prices bus play music or advertising out of them speakers up top?

    Was that KR2 with the side ad?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Was that KR2 with the side ad?

    Yes it has 4 mega phones up top.....

    Reminds me of this....




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Yes it has 4 mega phones up top.....

    Reminds me of this....



    Correction on the side ad, it was a full AOA

    Here's Csalem's photo with megaphones in place

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/60501971@N08/50290460613/in/photolist-2jBZKR8-9tKvT4


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Correction on the side ad, it was a full AOA

    Here's Csalem's photo with megaphones in place

    https://www.flickr.com/photos/60501971@N08/50290460613/in/photolist-2jBZKR8-9tKvT4

    Yeah it's on previous page what I was wondering was did they play something on them?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Yeah it's on previous page what I was wondering was did they play something on them?

    Didn’t realise that, I never looked at the previous page haha

    They probably did but I’m open to correction. Can’t see why not


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    I wonder what would be the chances today of Bus Eireann winning or even submitting a tender for bus routes in Dublin? Or indeed Dublin Bus putting in a tender for routes outside of Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    On the Provincial Past page you'll see BÉ winning a commercial (not state) tender in Dublin City... in the early 1990s though!

    The chances of them tendering for each others core services is likely nil but it wouldn't be implausible if something of equal logic for either to run was tendered. BÉs Ashbourne and Balbriggan Town services are very DB-like for instance; if the NTA wanted to bring up a new similar route and tendered for it both would probably see value in tendering.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    L1011 wrote: »
    On the Provincial Past page you'll see BÉ winning a commercial (not state) tender in Dublin City... in the early 1990s though!

    The chances of them tendering for each others core services is likely nil but it wouldn't be implausible if something of equal logic for either to run was tendered. BÉs Ashbourne and Balbriggan Town services are very DB-like for instance; if the NTA wanted to bring up a new similar route and tendered for it both would probably see value in tendering.

    Also some DBs Xpresso services might be of interest for BE in particular the 84x which probably more suited towards operating on a pick up/set down once past Loughlinstown like BE commuter services once they are out of the DB network.

    The 103 isn't that similar to any DB operation as it does not pick up passengers until it is north of Finglas.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭john boye


    L1011 wrote: »
    On the Provincial Past page you'll see BÉ winning a commercial (not state) tender in Dublin City... in the early 1990s though!

    The chances of them tendering for each others core services is likely nil but it wouldn't be implausible if something of equal logic for either to run was tendered. BÉs Ashbourne and Balbriggan Town services are very DB-like for instance; if the NTA wanted to bring up a new similar route and tendered for it both would probably see value in tendering.

    Wasn't there a big ballyhoo about 15 years ago when the government said they wanted BE to tender against DB on DCS routes? I may well be mis-remembering it!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1988 sees HB 254 parked at Rosslare Harbour. This bus started life as C 254 and was delivered new to CIE in 1966. Initially it operated out of Broadstone before moving to Cork, and then ending up in Waterford. In 1985 the middle door was added and it moved to Rosslare Harbour where it shuttled people between the ships and the land. It was withdrawn in 1990.
    It did not work alone when in Rosslare. C 203 was similarly converted to become dual-door HB 203, and both buses joined HB 56 which had been converted from.school bus SS 56. 15/09/1988

    50342463577_2a6fa9f748_c.jpgProvincial Past (33) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    That is a very tired looking bus


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    That is a very tired looking bus

    Suppose at 34 years old one would expect that... Amazing they kept them so long ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Ah yeah. But I actually mean literally looks like it's exhausted. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,588 ✭✭✭john boye


    Suppose at 34 years old one would expect that... Amazing they kept them so long ...

    It's actually 24 but that's still a grand old age!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    The battered yellow yoke that Irish Ferries were using the last time I was there about a year ago is if anything in worse condition.

    Ports are a great place to find vintage buses that should have seen scrapyards a long time previously. Doing timy mileage a few times a day as well as not needing to be taxed or tested as long as they stay within the port probably helps, it's not that long since Holyhead still had a Leyland National in use for shuttles.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Vic_08 wrote: »
    it's not that long since Holyhead still had a Leyland National in use for shuttles.

    They still have them running on the UK rail network


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    john boye wrote: »
    It's actually 24 but that's still a grand old age!

    Sorry I was adding in the 1990 withdrawal.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,547 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Sorry I was adding in the 1990 withdrawal.

    90-66=24


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1982 sees KE 1 parked at the depot in Donegal town. The bus was the first of fifty-two coaches delivered to CIE by Bombardier. These were the first single-decker buses delivered to CIE by that company, though the later classes (KC and KR) were built by GAC. KE 1 was slightly different from the following coaches as it had a more rounded roof. KE 1 - 22 were delivered as intercity coaches whereas 23 to 52 were touring coaches. But over time all ended up on passenger services. The fleet was delivered throughout 1981 and withdrawals started in 1995.
    Donegal town depot, like a lot of Bus Eireann depots, was built at the site of a former railway station. 25/09/1982

    50368650152_fc61e330b1_c.jpgProvincial Past (34) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    KE1 was withdrawn in 1996 in Cork, it’s engine went into a KD I think. No idea if it ever seen service in Cork


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1985 sees KR 33 picking up passengers in Balbriggan while operating a service from Dublin to Drogheda. KR 33 was only a few weeks old at this point but was destroyed by fire at Navan railway station in late-1986. It holds the distinction of being the only KR never to operate for Bus Eireann.
    Today this bus route is route 101. Balbriggan, 06/10/1985

    50424180447_1369b38d94_c.jpgProvincial Past (35) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1984 sees KC 139 loading up with passengers at Drogheda bus station before departing on a service to Laytown. This bus along with KC 137 and KC 138 were delivered new to Drogheda but were only there for a short while before more KRs arrived. The KCs subsequently moved to Clontarf Garage in Dublin. KC 139 was withdrawn by Dublin Bus around 2000, and was one of the last KCs to operate out of Clontarf.
    Currently there are two routes between Drogheda and Laytown numbered the D1 and D2. These routes replaced the 190 between these two points. 12/10/1984

    50461676513_329bdd5ffc_c.jpgProvincial Past (36) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    It always amazes me how the entirety of KC124-171 inclusive ended up in Cork bar 137/8/9.

    Yes 156 never seen service but was still in Capwell for a time stored, while 168 departed in 1988.

    92/94/96 were also in Cork, the former 2 again going to Dublin, the latter exchanged with KC172 of Waterford in 1990.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1996 sees Bus Eireann KR 109 in Waterford with a service to Tramore. KR 109 was delivered new to CIE in 1985. It was withdrawn in the early-2000s, spending its last few years on school duties. KR 109 and KR 168 were the only members of this class to be painted in this version of Bus Eireann livery.
    Today the service to Tramore is operated as routes 360 and 360A and often has double-decker buses allocated to it. 19/10/1996

    50505635593_dc82ee744f_c.jpgProvincial Past (37) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    As a matter of interest when did BE services start using route numbers for all services? I know the likes of the city services in Cork, Galway, Limerick always had them but on longer distances. Was it something that was rolled out on route by route basis or something that was planned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    GT89 wrote: »
    As a matter of interest when did BE services start using route numbers for all services? I know the likes of the city services in Cork, Galway, Limerick always had them but on longer distances. Was it something that was rolled out on route by route basis or something that was planned.

    Someone else probably knows this better than I do, but the 1995/1996 timetable is the first one I have found that reflects the current numbering system. The 1994/1995 has Table 1 as Dublin - Drogheda - Dundalk and Table 100 as Dublin - Tullamore - Birr - Portumna. In the 1995/96 book Table 1 is Dublin - Belfast and Table 100 is Dublin - Drogheda - Dundalk. Worth noting that no Table 101 in that book.

    It is also worth noting too that they are referred to as Table No. - it has only been in more recent times that they have started to refer to them as Route in timetables.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Csalem wrote: »
    1996 sees Bus Eireann KR 109 in Waterford with a service to Tramore. KR 109 was delivered new to CIE in 1985. It was withdrawn in the early-2000s, spending its last few years on school duties. KR 109 and KR 168 were the only members of this class to be painted in this version of Bus Eireann livery.
    Today the service to Tramore is operated as routes 360 and 360A and often has double-decker buses allocated to it. 19/10/1996

    50505635593_dc82ee744f_c.jpgProvincial Past (37) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr

    Does anyone know what the Bus Eireann branded square plate near the door is about? It looks like that's where you might have a route number.

    That...or maybe there's a light behind that panel to make it easy to identify this as a BE bus in the dark? Kinda curious...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,555 ✭✭✭kub


    Rawr wrote: »
    Does anyone know what the Bus Eireann branded square plate near the door is about? It looks like that's where you might have a route number.

    That...or maybe there's a light behind that panel to make it easy to identify this as a BE bus in the dark? Kinda curious...


    If memory serves me correctly there was a sign there saying Pay As You Enter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,929 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Csalem wrote: »
    1984 sees KC 139 loading up with passengers at Drogheda bus station before departing on a service to Laytown. This bus along with KC 137 and KC 138 were delivered new to Drogheda but were only there for a short while before more KRs arrived. The KCs subsequently moved to Clontarf Garage in Dublin. KC 139 was withdrawn by Dublin Bus around 2000, and was one of the last KCs to operate out of Clontarf.
    Currently there are two routes between Drogheda and Laytown numbered the D1 and D2. These routes replaced the 190 between these two points. 12/10/1984

    I remember KC138 being a regular feature on the 27 and it had awful brakes! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    I remember KC138 being a regular feature on the 27 and it had awful brakes! :D

    They all had awful brakes...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    1999 sees Bus EIreann KC 8 in Galway on a service on route 2 to Knocknacarra. The bus was one of 202 members of the class built for CIE by GAC / Bombardier in the early 1980s. Dublin Bus withdrew all of theirs by 2000 while Bus Eireann's continued on into 2001.
    The bus is in an all-over ad for Heineken. This was part of a national campaign with buses in Cork and Dublin also wrapped for it.
    In 2020 most routes to Knocknacarra are operated by City Direct but the 402 operated by Bus Eireann still runs from Seacrest / Knocknacarra to Merlin Park. Eyre Square, 26/10/1999

    50533926432_3b3cc9e113_c.jpgProvincial Past (38) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    The ad looked well on the KC, DA9 in Cork had the livery as well, the bus caught fire in 1997 from what I remember, unsure if it had the ad prior to that happening.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,485 ✭✭✭KevRossi


    A double decker from Limerick to Shannon Airport must have been a slow service, where city buses not limited to 40 MPH back then?

    Also: What happened to the double deckers in Limerick city? I have vague recollection of an accident or something (might be completely wrong!), and they all disappeared for a long time (only returned in the past decade or so). For the '90s I only recall KC's and a lone Volvo doing city services in Limerick, until the low floor buses appeared.

    EDIT: According to a Limerick Leader article, there were no double deckers in Limerick between 1984 and 2016.

    1987-92 I was in college in Limerick - They regularly ran a double decker from Roscrea to Limerick on a Sunday night to cater for large amounts of returning students as Roscrea was a bus hub in the day. There would be a couple of Expressway single deckers and there'd be a scramble to get on them as they were way faster and way more comfortable than the double decker. Some people used to get travel sick sitting upstairs.

    They had the occasional double decker from Limerick City Centre out to the university back then, the bus couldn't fit under the bridge on the Ballysimon Rd so it went via St Patricks Road instead. I was on it a couple of times when the driver forgot, so he had to be reminded somewhere along Childers Rd that he wasn't going to make it.

    Great reading in the thread, I remember a fair few of the buses from the 70's, 80's and 90's. You'd be dreading certain buses showing up as they were terrible. :) Often took the Supabus as well. Some great memories on them too.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    November 1980 sees D 412 on a city service in Waterford. This bus was delivered new to CIE in 1972. It operated out of Donnybrook Garage in Dublin until it transferred south in 1977 (Originally D 413 had been sent south but 412 replaced it. D 413 went on to have a long career in the Dublin Bus tour fleet). D 412 was withdrawn in 1983, and therefore never operated under Bus Eireann, nor Dublin Bus. 11/1980

    50560118487_3533d818cb_c.jpgProvincial Past (39) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Still think they should have kept the old girl for ghost bus tours.

    Covid has hit everything so hard and I hope to see them tours come back, well recommend doing the ghost bus tour as it was very well done.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,770 ✭✭✭GT89


    Still think they should have kept the old girl for ghost bus tours.

    Covid has hit everything so hard and I hope to see them tours come back, well recommend doing the ghost bus tour as it was very well done.

    Yeah has more of a genuinely creepy feel using an ancient bus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    2001 sees us revisiting an old friend. KR 109 is seen parked in Callan during its later career as a school bus. Previously we had seen it on the city services in Waterford in Provincial Past (37), but at the turn of the new century the bus transferred from the regular fleet to the school fleet. As part of this transfer it became KS 109, to reflect its new role. The bus ended its days around 2007 in Dungarvan. 14/11/2001

    50584269881_87efcb5153_c.jpgProvincial Past (40) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Csalem


    2002 sees PL 106 arriving into Drogheda bus station with a service on route 189. This was a member of the third fleet of PLs operated by CIE / Bus Eireann. The first group were delivered in the 1960s. The second PL fleet were three secondhand buses that entered service in 1990 but built in 1984. PL 61 to 124 were again mostly (if not all) secondhand buses too dating from 1990/91, coming from Shearings Travel. In its former life PL 106 was 837 with Shearings. The PL classes were Leyland Tiger chassis with Plaxton Paramount bodies. Most of the final two fleets of PLs ended up on school duties and were all withdrawn by 2010.
    Route 189 currently runs from Drogheda to Clogher and Grangebellew. 16/11/2002

    50610803247_38dbb00ac1_c.jpgProvincial Past (41) by Cathal O'Brien, on Flickr


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