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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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  • #3902
    Van.Bosch
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,032 ✭✭✭Van.Bosch


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The whole thing doesn't make any sense. Like, tables in pubs are generally big enough to fit 2, 4 or 6 people. So we're relying on each pub to be lucky enough to get the right combination of mates turning up to fit their particular table configuration in order to be as profitable as possible, given the no standing, no sitting at the bar rules.

    And if you turn up with 5 people does 1 lad have to sit at a table on their own if tables aren't big enough?

    Going to the pub shouldn't be this hard. I couldn't be arsed going in the current climate.

    A group of mates aren’t from the same household in most cases, so if there are 4 of them do they need to be 1m from each other? That’s what the guidelines say ( same for restaurants today) but I reckon that will just be ignored.


  • #3903
    joeguevara
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,341 ✭✭✭joeguevara


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    I think the days of sinking pints watching sport are gone unfortunately

    Honestly that has been gone for years. Remember Monday Night Football in the 90s the pub would be full to capacity, same for Collins Eubanks fights, rugby matches have to look in the door.

    Say only 5% of the pubs would have 20 or more for a United or Liverpool Match. Cost to the pub is 1000s a month so will not be viable now defi


  • #3904
    Justin Credible Darts
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭Justin Credible Darts


    people still crying i see


  • #3905
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Justin Credible Darts wrote: »
    people still crying i see

    Nothing will be enough for some! If the govt. decided to go back to normal tomorrow, the same people would be complaining that the pubs aren't 24/7


  • #3906
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,335 ✭✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Nothing will be enough for some! If the govt. decided to go back to normal tomorrow, the same people would be complaining that the pubs aren't 24/7

    I'm sure I suggested that back in April as a way to spread demand and reduce crowds....


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  • #3907
    Ten of Swords
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 24,542 CMod ✭✭✭✭Ten of Swords


    Justin Credible Darts banned for ignoring threadban

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  • #3908
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    I haven't set foot in a pub since Christmas, but I think they're being shafted considering the numbers. Just my opinion.

    I'd totally agree up to now and there'll be war if they don't open in a fortnight. But has to be some limit to the extent they operate at the minute.


  • #3909
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    mountgomery burns wrote: »
    I'd totally agree up to now and there'll be war if they don't open in a fortnight. But has to be some limit to the extent they operate at the minute.
    No, there won't. The fact that they have draft proposals to engage on shows the government is prepared to work with the industry. The end of the month would be a more reasonable target.


  • #3910
    BPKS
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,483 ✭✭✭✭BPKS


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, there won't. The fact that they have draft proposals to engage on shows the government is prepared to work with the industry. The end of the month would be a more reasonable target.

    So keep them closed for another week just for the sake of it?


  • #3911
    mountgomery burns
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,148 ✭✭✭mountgomery burns


    is_that_so wrote: »
    No, there won't. The fact that they have draft proposals to engage on shows the government is prepared to work with the industry. The end of the month would be a more reasonable target.

    If they postpone it again indefinitely saying we'll review again in two or three weeks then there will be.


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  • #3912
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    VFI wanted non-food pubs to be able to operate under the same conditions as food pubs. This seems to be what is proposed, but they're still not happy? It was fanciful for anyone to expect that it would be go back to "old" business as usual.


  • #3913
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    VFI wanted non-food pubs to be able to operate under the same conditions as food pubs. This seems to be what is proposed, but they're still not happy? It was fanciful for anyone to expect that it would be go back to "old" business as usual.

    Won't stop them moaning about it though.

    Anyone i've heard or read calling for the above are still complaining! Some people will just never be happy and most of the time they come here to complain about it.


  • #3914
    robbiezero
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,901 ✭✭✭robbiezero


    Macy0161 wrote: »
    VFI wanted non-food pubs to be able to operate under the same conditions as food pubs. This seems to be what is proposed, but they're still not happy? It was fanciful for anyone to expect that it would be go back to "old" business as usual.

    I'd say they are happy enough, but laying the ground work for support or grants or whatever. They were never going to get anymore than what it sounds like they will get.

    Rural pubs will largely be able to operate as normal apart from big events and urban pubs with a large footfall are all probably largely doing this already just with food.


  • #3915
    hetuzozaho
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,840 ✭✭✭hetuzozaho


    Yeah I think they are going to struggle with the regulations. It's a bit like the government calling the bluff IMO. They'll be needing money at the end of the day.


  • #3916
    Macy0161
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,844 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    robbiezero wrote: »
    I'd say they are happy enough, but laying the ground work for support or grants or whatever. They were never going to get anymore than what it sounds like they will get.
    I think for rural publicans it is (and always was) going to be incredibly hard to manage. Not the physical tables, paperwork, table service etc., but their trade is about the line up along the bar, drop in see who's there. But great they have light at the end of the tunnel, even if it may be an on-coming train!


  • #3917
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    So dry pubs have to keep a record for 28 days of receipts to prove they served food.

    But wet pubs can serve alcohol without food and no need for receipts.

    Am I missing something here? What is the point of the dry pub receipts if all pubs wet and dry are opening.


  • #3918
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,731 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    Am I missing something here?

    Nope. Thats just Fianna Fail for you.


  • #3919
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    The Nal wrote: »
    Nope. Thats just Fianna Fail for you.

    On the face of it, if dry and wet pubs are opening, there's no reason for the 28 days of receipts. Just recording contact details of one member of the party should be enough.


  • #3920
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,731 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    On the face of it, if dry and wet pubs are opening, there's no reason for the 28 days of receipts. Just recording contact details of one member of the party should be enough.

    Indeed. The fact that I had fish and chips and 6 pints but the guy in the pub next door had no food and 6 pints doesn't seem reason enough to make the pub I was in keep a record of my fish and chips for 28 days.


  • #3921
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,650 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    On the face of it, if dry and wet pubs are opening, there's no reason for the 28 days of receipts. Just recording contact details of one member of the party should be enough.

    Yes, I think you're right. Once the non-food pubs reopen, the point of food pubs recording all these details about food becomes rather moot.
    I think they need to clarify this sooner than later - give a more precise indication of how soon they see non-food pubs reopening.
    Personally I enjoy the whole idea of ordering food when in the pub - it's closer to what I'm used to, it would be good though to have the option not to order food if I don't feel like it i.e. have eaten beforehand at home etc.


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  • #3922
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,577 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Whether they have to or not, how does the pub having to keep records or anything affect you as a punter at all?

    It doesn't. Just like you wouldn't care about the stock taking and recording practice sin Pennys when you went in to buy some jocks.

    Lads, stop giving out. You got what you were crying for. No need to cry anymore!


  • #3923
    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Hopefully I'll never have to hear the term ' wet pubs ' again when the pubs re open.


  • #3924
    MadYaker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭MadYaker


    statesaver wrote: »
    Hopefully I'll never have to hear the term ' wet pubs ' again when the pubs re open.

    There are a few words I never want to hear again when this is all over, that’s one, lockdown is another.


  • #3925
    alentejo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭alentejo


    Why are pubs required to hold on contract training details for 28 days? It should only be for 14 days?


  • #3926
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tobefrank321 wrote: »
    So dry pubs have to keep a record for 28 days of receipts to prove they served food.

    But wet pubs can serve alcohol without food and no need for receipts.

    Am I missing something here? What is the point of the dry pub receipts if all pubs wet and dry are opening.

    If ever something showed up the sheer lack of joined up thinking within this government


  • #3927
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    I have a strong feeling NPHET and the government are stringing along the wet pubs.

    They'll tell them they can open and as soon as they order in stock, there will be a last minute change of minds because of a spike in numbers and opening will be put back again. They will then claim this as strong leadership.


  • #3928
    Degag
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,073 ✭✭✭✭Degag


    There is no proposed date from what i can see? I am guessing it will be a Monday so probably 21st September is the likely date. Next Monday might be too soon


  • #3929
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,132 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    BPKS wrote: »
    So keep them closed for another week just for the sake of it?
    There is no date fixed yet. As I've already said it could be 4 weeks or a lot more. The most important thing is engagement and everyone on the same page first.


  • #3930
    tobefrank321
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,621 ✭✭✭tobefrank321


    AdamD wrote: »
    If ever something showed up the sheer lack of joined up thinking within this government

    Maybe I'm missing something but if both pub types are open and they continue with requirements for receipts the government and NPHET will be a laughing stock. They seem to be obsessed with rule making now, any rules, it doesn't matter if they make sense or not.


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  • #3931
    weldoninhio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,311 ✭✭✭✭weldoninhio


    Degag wrote: »
    There is no proposed date from what i can see? I am guessing it will be a Monday so probably 21st September is the likely date. Next Monday might be too soon

    21st would suit me down to the ground. I’ve the week booked off work anyway.


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