Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

landofthetree wrote: »

Everything will be closed.

If you honestly think we are going into lockdown you need to go see a doctor

landofthetree wrote: »

Compared to Albania we might be OK.

But by all measures our healthcare is very poor.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.independent.ie/irish-news/health/waiting-lists-here-are-the-worst-in-all-of-europe-37855087.html

Ireland has the worst hospital waiting lists in Europe, according to a damning new index.

Overall, the healthcare system here ranks 22nd out of 35 countries.

Right so you made it up.

Thanks for clarifying.

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is with the lockdown obsession in this country? Do people love it? Or maybe the misery of it? Constantly mentioned again and again.

By all accounts, every other country in Europe is making an effort to live with the virus.

We’re the only ones with pubs closed, talking of lockdowns and 9 month plans

Sadly Irish general public thinking is extremely unsophisticated and singularly focused. Also very easily panicked and frightened easily. Lockdown ticks all the boxes for the above. But unfortunately it has not worked and won’t work with an endemic respiratory virus that needs human hosts

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What is with the lockdown obsession in this country? Do people love it? Or maybe the misery of it? Constantly mentioned again and again.

By all accounts, every other country in Europe is making an effort to live with the virus.

We’re the only ones with pubs closed, talking of lockdowns and 9 month plans

Well it has to be said that there's a certain number of the population who'd love another lockdown as it means no work and the social payment. I've heard people say this.

Now my opinion is that I don't want a lockdown. However there's people out there who are inherently selfish and will do what they want. Ie, not washing their hands, not wearing masks, throwing parties, you know all the stuff that we are not supposed to do to try and limit this thing.

So you have to treat people like kids should we have an insane amount of daily cases (say we get 1000+ a day) so you'd have to have a lockdown. I know that's crazy to say.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Right so you made it up.

Thanks for clarifying.

The death rate from respiratory diseases in Ireland is the second highest in Europe behind the UK, despite lower levels of air pollution.

We are rubbish at dealing with respiratory infections.

We haven't the hospital beds to cope.

With 2.3 beds per 1,000 of population, Ireland ranks just above Denmark, the UK and Sweden, but has barely one-third of the number of beds in Germany, the Health at a Glance report finds.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-has-fourth-lowest-number-of-hospital-beds-says-oecd-1.3707323%3fmode=amp

landofthetree wrote: »

Tell it to the Minister for Health.

I’d rather talk to a ouija board then get public health advice from Stephen Donnelly

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Well it has to be said that there's a certain number of the population who'd love another lockdown as it means no work and the social payment. I've heard people say this.

Now my opinion is that I don't want a lockdown. However there's people out there who are inherently selfish and will do what they want. Ie, not washing their hands, not wearing masks, throwing parties, you know all the stuff that we are not supposed to do to try and limit this thing.

So you have to treat people like kids should we have an insane amount of daily cases (say we get 1000+ a day) so you'd have to have a lockdown. I know that's crazy to say.

They will be the same fools cry about austerity in 2021.
Believing in the fairytale that austerity isnt needed. Unfortunately whoever you're borrowing from is unlikely to hand over money without conditions.

is_that_so wrote: »

He's the only one claiming that. Everyone else says No!

Not true.

Public health officials have said it may be needed.
Dr Cillian de Gascun


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/coronavirus-142-new-cases-in-republic-as-de-gascun-warns-second-lockdown-cannot-be-ruled-out-1.4342066%3fmode=amp

landofthetree wrote: »

This government cant be seen to do a Sweden.

Irish people are generally hysterical at the best of times. If the deaths start rising SF,PBP etc and the low paid marxist journalists will be hysterical.

Plus our health system is pretty poor by international standards.

Another lockdown is certain.

They certainly can be seen to "do a Sweden" IF the Swedish strategy is seen to be more effective over the longer term.
Another lockdown may be unsustainable and irrecoverable from without transforming the basis on which the economy operates.

shinzon wrote: »

I tell ye this 9 month plan better be the miracle of the loaves and fishes at this rate, cases are going up simple as whether it is slow and steady makes no difference its going up and that is extremely bad news heading into the winter

Shin

They will open up travel to other countries when the airlines serving Ireland have sold off their planes.

DellyBelly wrote: »

It's going to get worse once the colleges open up.. Really is depressing

Which will be when? Anyone I know will be remote learning for the first semester at least, myself included.

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Once again thanks for clarifying that Ireland is the only country in Europe that couldn't cope with covid if there was no lockdown was a lie.

It cant. Even the HSE admitted it.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40017287.html%3ftype=amp
The HSE is warning hospital services would not be able to cope if there is a second wave of Covid-19 during the winter flu season.

Deleted User wrote: »

By all accounts, every other country in Europe is making an effort to live with the virus.

We’re the only ones with pubs closed, talking of lockdowns and 9 month plans

This is simply not true. Not even a small bit true. Where to start?

Hungary just shut its borders. To everyone except returning citizens and residents.

There are local 'lockdown' measures in place in many parts of the UK such as Greater Manchester, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Glasgow.

Spain is planning a 3 phase lockdown beginning the 18th of this month which will close 'non-essential businesses' and prohibit movement between regions.

France's PM Emmanuel Macron said he couldn't rule out another national lockdown (which was far, far more restrictive than our one btw).

I mean, just have a read on the internet. People in Ireland cannot go to the GAA and the pubs and you have people going on like we are living under a dictatorship. Get some perspective.