Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Micky 32 · 04-09-2020 07:31PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

My great grandfather died at the hands of the Nazis the day after his 30th birthday so we could have our freedoms. All for nothing they way some of ye are carrying on welcoming this new normal.
The fact your opening comparing yourself to one makes my blood boil.

I wouldn’t worry about it. In the end we’ll get our freedoms back and we will get back to normality eventually. It will be the misery and lockdown merchants on here that will be the losers. They then can go back to their empty lives and find something else to moan and preach about from their high horses.

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 07:33PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I'm not a smoker, that's why I asked..I don't want to be mixing with smokers.

Stay indoors with Covid farts then. :P

Plumbthedepths · 04-09-2020 07:33PM

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

I love what restaurants have done with outdoor seating. I might venture out sometime but does anyone know if they allow people to smoke outside as well.

You're worried about Covid, but not lung cancer?

bb1234567 · 04-09-2020 07:34PM

Surprised Spain hasn't been mentioned on the thread today..almost 200 deaths in Spain today and 10,500 new cases. Hard to see how it could have got out of hand so quickly. Are Spanish people just becoming too relaxed about it lately?

speckle · 04-09-2020 07:36PM

germany considering shortening self isolation to 5 days..

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/coronavirus-germany-debates-cutting-self-isolation-period-to-five-days-1.4346952?mode=amp

ties in with my earlier posts on pcr tests versus 'saliva paper/tube are you infectious right now' tests'

I am camping/picnicning in back garden on hols right now, but just a thought re 'new dining out keeping a record of what you have eaten issue.'

You can go order the biggest slap up meal and dont have to eat it anyway(wasteful I know).. or are the lads up in the dail going to say next staff have to spoonfeed you and make sure your plate is empty before you drink... do they ever think things through ...a nonsensical step too far I think... other way more important things that they should be sorting out.

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 07:36PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry about it. In the end we’ll get our freedoms back and we will get back to normality eventually. It will be the misery and lockdown merchants on here that will be the losers. They then can go back to their empty lives and find something else to moan and preach about from their high horses.

I wouldn't be so sure, I'm still paying USC, our government don't do temporary measures.

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 07:37PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Surprised Spain hasn't been mentioned on the thread today..almost 200 deaths in Spain today and 10,500 new cases. Hard to see how it could have got out of hand so quickly. Are Spanish people just becoming too relaxed about it lately?

No BCG vaccine...

screamer · 04-09-2020 07:42PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

No BCG vaccine...

Same boat then as all children under 5 born in Ireland......

04-09-2020 07:43PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I wouldn't be so sure, I'm still paying USC, our government don't do temporary measures.

You equate a global pandemic to the Usc. You do realise that is the only tax some people pay. Sure government will provide all these services with a vast swath of people who pay zero tax on their income. Usc helped broaden tax base and made sure a lot more people working paid some tax contributions to the state on their income. Dont have a problem personally with usc. Usc hits everyone working and hits lower paid harder who should in my opinion pay something into state coffers if they expect all the services.

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 07:44PM

screamer wrote: »

Same boat then as all children under 5 born in Ireland......

You sure... pretty sure my gang have it, would need to check there orange books...

04-09-2020 07:45PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Surprised Spain hasn't been mentioned on the thread today..almost 200 deaths in Spain today and 10,500 new cases. Hard to see how it could have got out of hand so quickly. Are Spanish people just becoming too relaxed about it lately?

In Spain’s first wave they first passed a seven sleazy average 5000 cases a day in mid March. 3 weeks later they were seeing a seven day average of 850 deaths. In the second wave they hit a seven day average of 5000 on August 12, and as of today have a seven day average of deaths at 50

04-09-2020 07:47PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

In Spain’s first wave they first passed a seven sleazy average 5000 cases a day in mid March. 3 weeks later they were seeing a seven day average of 850 deaths. In the second wave they hit a seven day average of 5000 on August 12, and as of today have a seven day average of deaths at 50

And the virus is not weakening says most health authorities...

This virus is definitely not able to cause the same illness on a population as march/April. Not saying I dont think it is still not dangerous.

MOR316 · 04-09-2020 07:48PM

Strumms wrote: »

Who have the exact same responsibilities as the rest of us . They were old enough to know this, they were not 7. I’m not going to give it a rest, you don’t call the shots here sunshine.

Fine...Call your own shots, I'm not arsed

Go to the car park, have a coffee, stalk a load of kids to see if they're within two metres of one another and report it on here if it makes you feel better.

I couldn't give a toss what you do

screamer · 04-09-2020 07:49PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

You sure... pretty sure my gang have it, would need to check there orange books...

They stopped BCG routine vaccinations in Ireland in 2015 because there is only 1 manufacturer approved for the whole of Europe. The government then decided to disband it as a routine vaccination but said it wasn’t because of shortages but because we had herd immunity. That’s great, we may have herd immunity to TB, but IF that vaccine confers protection from
Covid, our littlest people don’t have it. I know this as I have 2 4 year olds and they never got any BCG due to the above.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 07:53PM

I've heard and read about BCG and its possible prophylactic features re Covid, but somewhere along the line I thought I read that its protection from TB (and possibly Covid) doesn't last forever either.

Anyone else know more?

odyssey06 · 04-09-2020 07:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And the virus is not weakening says most health authorities...

This virus is definitely not able to cause the same illness on a population as march/April. Not saying I dont think it is still not dangerous.

It's an interesting question... if the virus isn't weakening possibly some or any or none of the below:

Vitamin D levels are up
Better treatments available for hospitalised cases e.g. steroids
Nursing homes are better protected
Masks mean less viral load mean less severe exposure and symptoms
The first wave victims were especially vulnerable for reasons, above and beyond their age and pre-existing medical conditions, some genetic quirk or BCG vaccination or some as yet unknown factor

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 07:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

And the virus is not weakening says most health authorities...

This virus is definitely not able to cause the same illness on a population as march/April. Not saying I dont think it is still not dangerous.

I think that is because the vulnerable in the height of it have died RIP, the rest of the vulnerable are cautious now. But who knows.

Winter's a coming. And the HSE is prepared for every eventuality I'm sure, just like the non Covid days.

is_that_so · 04-09-2020 07:56PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've heard and read about BCG and its possible prophylactic features re Covid, but somewhere along the line I thought I read that its protection from TB (and possibly Covid) doesn't last forever either.

Anyone else know more?

It's part of a number of clinical trials.

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/trends/can-tuberculosis-vaccine-bcg-prevent-coronavirus-infection-5-trials-are-on/story/415192.html

screamer · 04-09-2020 07:56PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've heard and read about BCG and its possible prophylactic features re Covid, but somewhere along the line I thought I read that its protection from TB (and possibly Covid) doesn't last forever either.

Anyone else know more?

No idea but it’s interesting to see the difference between countries that have it routinely and those that don’t. Even Africa and India are doing ok and it’s reckoned that’s down to BCG

SeaBreezes · 04-09-2020 07:58PM

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's an interesting question... if the virus isn't weakening possibly some or any or none of the below:
Vitamin D levels are up

Better treatments available for hospitalised cases e.g. steroids

Nursing homes are better protected

Masks mean less viral load mean less severe exposure and symptoms

The first wave victims were especially vulnerable for reasons, above and beyond their age and pre-existing medical conditions, some genetic quirk or BCG vaccination or some as yet unknown factor

Also better understanding of the virus and therefore targeted treatment.

Quicker testing and treatment earlier in the infection cycle

Better understanding of symptoms to look out for. Catching it earlier.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 08:01PM

screamer wrote: »

No idea but it’s interesting to see the difference between countries that have it routinely and those that don’t. Even Africa and India are doing ok and it’s reckoned that’s down to BCG

Interesting, thanks.

What Username Guidelines · 04-09-2020 08:01PM

fritzelly wrote: »

Usually includes antibody testing

6,000 of the 10,500 are antibody tests. There are 4,500 new cases. Not the worst day, but going the wrong way.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 08:06PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

6,000 of the 10,500 are antibody tests. There are 4,500 new cases. Not the worst day, but going the wrong way.

Not looking good. We have friends living in Madrid and they are sick of it all now. It is worst there according to them.

Anyway with due respect, to us it's all about the holliers so a lot of Spanish autonomous communities around the coast have nothing but tourism and shopping really.

The central Government is abysmal, and people are wary of dictatorial messages too.

Polar101 · 04-09-2020 08:06PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've heard and read about BCG and its possible prophylactic features re Covid, but somewhere along the line I thought I read that its protection from TB (and possibly Covid) doesn't last forever either.

Anyone else know more?

Even on wikipedia it says it probably lasts 15-20 years (but it's not known, so it might be immunity doesn't disappear).

Also, if BCG vaccine was a protection against Covid, why would scientists bother developing a vaccine if one exists already?

Spain may not have had their population vaccinated against BCG, but it's the same with several other countries - some of them have more Covid cases, some less. So it's really hard to see any evidence that suggests BCG vaccination makes a difference.

Edit: But I'm happy to be corrected, wouldn't be an expert on the matter obviously

drunkmonkey · 04-09-2020 08:09PM

screamer wrote: »

They stopped BCG routine vaccinations in Ireland in 2015 because there is only 1 manufacturer approved for the whole of Europe. The government then decided to disband it as a routine vaccination but said it wasn’t because of shortages but because we had herd immunity. That’s great, we may have herd immunity to TB, but IF that vaccine confers protection from
Covid, our littlest people don’t have it. I know this as I have 2 4 year olds and they never got any BCG due to the above.

I've a 2,5,6 I'd be a little concerned the little princess hasn't had it.

SeaBreezes · 04-09-2020 08:09PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

I wouldn’t worry about it. In the end we’ll get our freedoms back and we will get back to normality eventually. It will be the misery and lockdown merchants on here that will be the losers. They then can go back to their empty lives and find something else to moan and preach about from their high horses.

Lucky we have your sunshiney personality to lift the rest of us up in here then Micky

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speckle · 04-09-2020 08:10PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Even on wikipedia it says it probably lasts 15-20 years (but it's not known, so it might be immunity doesn't disappear).

Also, if BCG vaccine was a protection against Covid, why would scientists bother developing a vaccine if one exists already?

Spain may not have had their population vaccinated against BCG, but it's the same with several other countries - some of them have more Covid cases, some less. So it's really hard to see any evidence that suggests BCG vaccination makes a difference.

We will just have to keep an eye out for trial results. . mentioned elsewhere here that there have been cases of bcg lasting up to 60 years but they may be outliers/or maybe very few people checked after that lenght of time.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 08:10PM

Polar101 wrote: »

Even on wikipedia it says it probably lasts 15-20 years (but it's not known, so it might be immunity doesn't disappear).

Also, if BCG vaccine was a protection against Covid, why would scientists bother developing a vaccine if one exists already?

Spain may not have had their population vaccinated against BCG, but it's the same with several other countries - some of them have more Covid cases, some less. So it's really hard to see any evidence that suggests BCG vaccination makes a difference.

Edit: But I'm happy to be corrected, wouldn't be an expert on the matter obviously

Yes, it's all up in the air.

Wouldn't it be great though if an existing vaccine worked for Covid like BCG?

Hmmm makes me wonder why that avenue is not being progressed. But we all know the drug companies want the ONE vaccine that will work. Probably be the BCG anyway.

Apologies for my cynicism.

darjeeling · 04-09-2020 08:11PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I've heard and read about BCG and its possible prophylactic features re Covid, but somewhere along the line I thought I read that its protection from TB (and possibly Covid) doesn't last forever either.

Anyone else know more?

The idea behind vaccinating people with BCG during the current pandemic is that vaccines may give a short term general boost to the innate immune system. This could last a few months from the time of vaccination.

The BCG vaccine, seeing as it's a bacterium, would not give adaptive (i.e. antibody, T cell) immunity to a coronavirus, let alone adaptive immunity persisting over decades from a childhood vaccination.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2020 08:13PM

Just a throw out here, if BCG vaccine only lasts for a certain time, I wonder why TB hasn't been rising here exponentially. Dunno, just wondered.

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