2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:14PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

I'm saying they aren't the worst.

Why is that so hard to understand

Iv'e said it several times now.

Thanks

What point are you trying to make. You're arguing with yourself as you brought the concept of them being not quite the worst into the thread. Nobody at any stage argued they had the worst response but that the US and Trump's response was and is very poor. You created the strawman that at least it isn't the worst possible response and have been arguing about your own strawman since. Weird.

Danzy · 04-09-2020 02:14PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What motivates these people to continue to vote for Republicans who really don't care about them?

Money isn't everything, it's important but materialism isn't the sole driver and often not the main one.

It's also like the Tories winning over Labour in Britain, not because they were fully on board but Labour were a bigger threat, on many issues.

Add in that they had a horrendous attitude problem with so many of their own base.

Yet so many in Labour are stunned and still don't understand, often using that most toxic and self defeating concept in the left- false Consciousness, to explain it.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

What do you think about the reported attitudes he's expressed about the army?

If true it's disgusting. Let's wait and see because there is so much fake news that put's him in a negative light it's impossible to know. He's stupid enough to say it that's for sure. :pac:

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:16PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

What point are you trying to make. You're arguing with yourself as you brought the concept of them being not quite the worst into the thread. Nobody at any stage argued they had the worst response but that the US and Trump's response was and is very poor. You created the strawman that it isn't the worst possible response and have been arguing about your own strawman since. Weird.

Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:17PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the matter.

I take it you agree you don't really have a point. Cheers.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:21PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I take it you agree you don't really have a point. Cheers.

Iv'e explained myself already.

Thanks for your time .

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:24PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Iv'e explained myself already.

Thanks for your time .

You sure did :pac:

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:25PM

Wow just seeing this now. Surely it's time the democrats pulled Joe out of the race before he goes completely off course and hands the election to Trump :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8688775/Gaffe-prone-Joe-Biden-struggles-impact-COVID.html

This is bordering on cruelty now. :mad:

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:25PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

You sure did :pac:

Excellent. Glad to be of service.

ohnonotgmail · 04-09-2020 02:27PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Wow just seeing this now. Surely it's time the democrats pulled Joe out of the race before he goes completely off course and hands the election to Trump :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8688775/Gaffe-prone-Joe-Biden-struggles-impact-COVID.html

This is bordering on cruelty now. :mad:

daily heil. LOL

salmocab · 04-09-2020 02:28PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Wow just seeing this now. Surely it's time the democrats pulled Joe out of the race before he goes completely off course and hands the election to Trump :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8688775/Gaffe-prone-Joe-Biden-struggles-impact-COVID.html

This is bordering on cruelty now. :mad:

It’s bordering on something alright

Carfacemandog · 04-09-2020 02:28PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Wow just seeing this now. Surely it's time the democrats pulled Joe out of the race before he goes completely off course and hands the election to Trump :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8688775/Gaffe-prone-Joe-Biden-struggles-impact-COVID.html

This is bordering on cruelty now. :mad:

So again, what exactly is it about Trump that you dislike? You claim to dislike both of them if I recall, yet seemingly all of your posts relate to attacking Biden and defending Trump, so I would be interested to know.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:29PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

daily heil. LOL

It didn't happen so :eek:

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:29PM

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Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:30PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

So again, what exactly is it about Trump that you dislike? You claim to dislike both of them if I recall, yet seemingly all of your posts relate to attacking Biden and defending Trump, so I would be interested to know.

Where have i defended him? I'm bringing some balance to the conversation. I know that's uncomfortable for some people though.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:32PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

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So what you are saying is Obama got the ball rolling?

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:32PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Wow just seeing this now. Surely it's time the democrats pulled Joe out of the race before he goes completely off course and hands the election to Trump :eek:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8688775/Gaffe-prone-Joe-Biden-struggles-impact-COVID.html

This is bordering on cruelty now. :mad:

Maybe you should read the thread, this was posted 2 days ago multiple times.

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 02:35PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

So what you are saying is Obama got the ball rolling?

I'm sure that made sense in your head.

Carfacemandog · 04-09-2020 02:40PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Where have i defended him? I'm bringing some balance to the conversation. I know that's uncomfortable for some people though.

Again, what is it that you dislike about Trump?

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 02:41PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Again, what is it that you dislike about Trump?

Check my previous posts if you please. I'm not going to keep explaining myself.

Carfacemandog · 04-09-2020 02:54PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Check my previous posts if you please. I'm not going to keep explaining myself.

You've not explained yourself once on this, hence my asking. I'm trying to give you the opportunity to come over as being even somewhat credible here.

Baggly · 04-09-2020 02:56PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

You've not explained yourself once on this, hence my asking. I'm trying to give you the opportunity to come over as being even somewhat credible here.

Mod

Id tend to agree. Either stop being cryptic and put a little more into your posts, or stop posting in this thread.

Thanks.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2020 02:57PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Check my previous posts if you please. I'm not going to keep explaining myself.

Your earlier posts were you arguing against a point that nobody made.

1800_Ladladlad · 04-09-2020 03:34PM

So Biden screening participants and those looking to ask questions are being given scripts of pre-prepared questions etc Christ!!

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1301607488270336000

mcmoustache · 04-09-2020 03:37PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

So Biden screening participants and those looking to ask questions are being given scripts of pre-prepared questions etc Christ!!

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1301607488270336000

Why does it cut away before we can get the context?

Igotadose · 04-09-2020 03:39PM

mcmoustache wrote: »

Why does it cut away before we can get the context?

I dare any of the #IMPOTUS supporters here to sit through the whole thing. The #IMPOTUS 'rapid response director' selectively editing a line someone speaks... yah, right, nothing to hide there.

Quin_Dub · 04-09-2020 03:39PM

Danzy wrote: »

Money isn't everything, it's important but materialism isn't the sole driver and often not the main one.

It's also like the Tories winning over Labour in Britain, not because they were fully on board but Labour were a bigger threat, on many issues.

Add in that they had a horrendous attitude problem with so many of their own base.

Yet so many in Labour are stunned and still don't understand, often using that most toxic and self defeating concept in the left- false Consciousness, to explain it.

I get the point you are making to an extent in the context of "Conservative values" like Gay Marriage & Abortion but the damage done to them goes far beyond mere "Materialism".

It's not like were saying they are forgoing a second holiday or a newer car on a point of Principal or Morals.

They are less educated , have shorter life-spans and are more likely to have ill-health than their counterparts in Democrat led states.

Republican policies are literally killing them.

Yet the refrain is that "Things will be worse under Democrats"?

To some extent it highlights yet another weakness of the two party system in the US.

If you agree with the "social conservatism" angle from the GOP you have to vote for them , even if voting for them means less money in your pocket , less money spent on Education or Health care etc.

The inverse is also true for a lot of Democrat voters.

Politically , there should be at least 3 or 4 Major parties in the US

Tea-Party/Ultra Conservative Party
Centrist "Fiscal Conservative Party
Centrist Social Democrat Party
Left Wing Party

The GOP has been utterly consumed by the hard right side of the party , so it's very hard for the more more centrist conservatives , equally , although to a much lesser extent the Democrat party are drifting further left (relatively speaking in US terms) again making it hard for those Centrist types to get fully onboard.

There's a whole lot of disenfranchised voters out there.

Quin_Dub · 04-09-2020 03:42PM

1800_Ladladlad wrote: »

So Biden screening participants and those looking to ask questions are being given scripts of pre-prepared questions etc Christ!!

https://twitter.com/SteveGuest/status/1301607488270336000

Setting aside the intersting editing.

The story has already been debunked - She was given a question to ask by the organisation she was representing on the day - A BLM affiliated local group. She decided instead to ask her own question or actually just to give her own opinion.

She was not given questions by the Biden team.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2020 03:45PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Setting aside the intersting editing.

The story has already been debunked - She was given a question to ask by the organisation she was representing on the day - A BLM affiliated local group. She decided instead to ask her own question or actually just to give her own opinion.

She was not given questions by the Biden team.

For context (source):

“I’m just going to be honest, Mr. Biden,” Bennett began. “I was told to go off this paper but I can’t. You need the truth and I’m part of the truth.”

“Sure,” Biden replied.

“I have to give you the truth of the people,” Bennett continued. “And the truth of the matter is, we are heavily angry. Not angry as to where people say, ‘Oh, they’re protesting.’ There’s a difference between a protester and a rioter, a very big difference. We protest to get our voices heard. We protest to show that not just Blacks are tired of what’s going on.”

“The changes that we want have to be more in effect,” she said. “We have yet to see action. And I was always raised to go off action and not words.”

According to Bennett, the community is demanding to “hold these officers accountable to the same crimes that we are held accountable to.”

“If I was that officer, I would be under Kenosha County Jail right now,” she asserted. “If a medical examiner does their job and says, I’m ruling it homicide, that’s murder. Why are they not being done the same exact way that me or my brother and sisters out here in this world are being treated?”

“I’m only 31 and I’ve seen enough,” Bennett remarked. “It’s not what a lot of people think it is for us. We want the same exact rights as others. We want to be treated just like everyone else.”

Why is it always deception with you people?

Igotadose · 04-09-2020 03:46PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Setting aside the intersting editing.

The story has already been debunked - She was given a question to ask by the organisation she was representing on the day - A BLM affiliated local group. She decided instead to ask her own question or actually just to give her own opinion.

She was not given questions by the Biden team.

So, she met with Biden who was out in public in a group of people discussing and answering questions about various topics including Kenosha and the recent spate of violence. Hmm... So, Biden meets with people and answers questions.

Glad that's cleared up /sarcasm

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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