2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

LessOutragePlz · 04-09-2020 09:39AM

salmocab wrote: »

You choosing to not believe something doesn’t make it fake news it just means you have decided not to believe it, that doesn’t make it less true.

Same can be said for you believing it to be true just because you believe that it's true doesn't make it the truth!

04-09-2020 09:39AM

His fanboys are very blinkered.

ollkiller · 04-09-2020 09:40AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe the sources, plenty of people out there that hate Trump and don't want to see him get re-elected so there's plenty of motivation out there for "sources" to come up with some fake allegations.

Also the owner of the Atlantic has previously donated to the Democratic party including to Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama so there's a bit of bias there already.

Politically, Bradley considers himself a centrist. He has contributed to the Democratic Party.[1] In the 2008 U.S. presidential primaries he donated $104,300 to Hillary Clinton and $102,300 to Barack Obama and $69,000 to Mitt Romney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_G._Bradley#:~:text=Bradley%20(born%201953)%20is%20the,The%20Hotline%2C%20and%20Government%20Executive.

James LaPorta is an AP reporter who verified the story with officials in the Department of Defence. Highly reputable reporter who is a former marine infantry man. Bio here. https://muckrack.com/james-laporta

Do you think the former marine is lying?

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 09:40AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so he is lying about part of his denial but you still trust the rest of what he says?

His denial that he called John McCain a loser (even though he demonstrably did) adds even more credence to the rest of the story being true to be honest.

mcmoustache · 04-09-2020 09:41AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

Trump denied it last night "Also, I never called John a loser". Why are you defending him when his defense includes a verifiable lie? Why do you trust everything else he said?

.

That's quite a desperate tweet. Trump knows well that this is true and that it will hurt.

What's that bit about swearing though?

Is he saying that he'll swear on a bible or something that he never called John McCain a loser?

dwayneshintzy · 04-09-2020 09:41AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Parts of his denial can be proven to be untrue with his own tweets and there's also a video of it.

But the rest of the article is a fake news hit piece and the MSM are trying to make the article believable by throwing in a small bit of truth.

Why would Trump lie in his denial?

If you're accused of robbing cash from a shop, and you claim that you've never been to the shop....and then photos emerge of you being there at the time of the crime.....does that not make your entire denial suspect?

Why the need to lie?

LessOutragePlz · 04-09-2020 09:41AM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so he is lying about part of his denial but you still trust the rest of what he says?

Yeah pretty much, fairly certain that everyone has lied at some point throughout their life he's only human after all.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 09:42AM

Deleted User wrote: »

His fanboys are very blinkered.

They are. As are Biden's fan boys and girls.

salmocab · 04-09-2020 09:42AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Same can be said for you believing it to be true just because you believe that it's true doesn't make it the truth!

On balance though given everything it’s more likely to be true, I’ve weighed up the likelihood given what we know but you’ve stuck your fingers in your ears.

dwayneshintzy · 04-09-2020 09:43AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Same can be said for you believing it to be true just because you believe that it's true doesn't make it the truth!

It's being reported by multiple news outlets based on first hand knowledge. Believing there's credence to it is not the same as dismissing it as #fakenews

dwayneshintzy · 04-09-2020 09:44AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah pretty much, fairly certain that everyone has lied at some point throughout their life he's only human after all.

It's not an unrelated lie. It's literally part of his denial to the story.

ohnonotgmail · 04-09-2020 09:44AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah pretty much, fairly certain that everyone has lied at some point throughout their life he's only human after all.

so you believe somebody who is lying as they are talking to you? there is a special name for that.

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 09:46AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

They are. As are Biden's fan boys and girls.

If you actually read this thread there are very few if any "Biden fan boys and girls" in here. Nobody going to massive lengths to defend him or claim he is brilliant unlike those who are on the Trump train.

LessOutragePlz · 04-09-2020 09:46AM

ollkiller wrote: »

James LaPorta is an AP reporter who verified the story with officials in the Department of Defence. Highly reputable reporter who is a former marine infantry man. Bio here. https://muckrack.com/james-laporta

Do you think the former marine is lying?

I don't necessarily think he's lying if he genuinely believes the sources of the information he is just believing that fake news is true.

Quin_Dub · 04-09-2020 09:48AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

The majority of the article is from "sources" that I'm not going to believe hence it is fake news.

I haven't claimed to know anything that you don't I'm choosing not to believe that fake news article.

But you believe your YouTube guys who also use "sources"?

So it's not the use of sources you have an issue with , just the fact that the story they tell doesn't align with your world-view.

Bad News isn't Fake News despite what Trump thinks - Most of the time , it's just bad news (or maybe just unflattering)

Has there been a single negative story about Trump that he hasn't called "fake news" ???

If we were to believe the stance he takes , he has never made an error , never misspoke , never made a wrong choice , nothing.

Just absolute unfiltered perfection , all day every day for his entire life.

That is simply impossible - EVERYBODY makes mistakes , mostly small things , but sometimes Big things. We've all done it and will continue to do it.

But for Donald Trump , everything negative that happens in his world is either "FAKE NEWS" or it was someone elses fault and he bears absolutely no responsibility for it.

Here's a little task for anyone interested.

Try and find a quote (an audio recording for Gerry) of Trump accepting responsibility for something bad that he was involved in.

Doesn't have to be during his time as President , anytime in his career will do.

Igotadose · 04-09-2020 09:48AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't necessarily think he's lying if he genuinely believes the sources of the information he is just believing that fake news is true.

Eh? He wrote the article. So, what's this fake news he's believing? You realize there's no such thing as fake news, right?

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 09:49AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah pretty much, fairly certain that everyone has lied at some point throughout their life he's only human after all.

When his denial contains a verifiable, clear and blatant lie, then the whole denial is suspect and "fake".

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 09:52AM

dwayneshintzy wrote: »

It's being reported by multiple news outlets based on first hand knowledge. Believing there's credence to it is not the same as dismissing it as #fakenews

Problem is it's the same news organisations that have been telling Americans for almost 4 years now all types of fake news about Trump. Sooner or later people just switch off when there is no proof, which there isn't here.

Trump won't lose a single vote over this in fact it will if anything encourage his base as it will be seen as just another attack without substance.

ohnonotgmail · 04-09-2020 09:53AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Problem is it's the same news organisations that have been telling Americans for almost 4 years now all types of fake news about Trump. Sooner or later people just switch off when there is no proof, which there isn't here.

Trump won't lose a single vote over this in fact it will if anything encourage his base as it will be seen as just another attack without substance.

are the AP fake news?

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 09:55AM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

But you believe your YouTube guys who also use "sources"?

So it's not the use of sources you have an issue with , just the fact that the story they tell doesn't align with your world-view.

Bad News isn't Fake News despite what Trump thinks - Most of the time , it's just bad news (or maybe just unflattering)

Has there been a single negative story about Trump that he hasn't called "fake news" ???

If we were to believe the stance he takes , he has never made an error , never misspoke , never made a wrong choice , nothing.

Just absolute unfiltered perfection , all day every day for his entire life.

That is simply impossible - EVERYBODY makes mistakes , mostly small things , but sometimes Big things. We've all done it and will continue to do it.

But for Donald Trump , everything negative that happens in his world is either "FAKE NEWS" or it was someone elses fault and he bears absolutely no responsibility for it.

Here's a little task for anyone interested.

Try and find a quote (an audio recording for Gerry) of Trump accepting responsibility for something bad that he was involved in.

Doesn't have to be during his time as President , anytime in his career will do.

No point finding anything for me pal, i haven't a horse in this race and if you aren't a voter in the states either do you.

I would have liked to see the Democrats put forward a decent candidate though to challange Trump.

Igotadose · 04-09-2020 09:56AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

No point finding anything for me pal, i haven't a horse in this race and if you aren't a voter in the states either do you.

I would have liked to see the Democrats put forward a decent candidate though to challange Trump.

Joe Biden. As someone with a horse in this race, I'm thrilled with Biden as a candidate. #BIDEN2020

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2020 10:03AM

Wow!

The resident #IMPOTUS zealots have really doubled down on protecting the cult today!

"He didn't say it, it's fake news"

Shown a tweet where he literally called McCain a loser.

"OK he said it but the rest of the article is a lie"

Shown that the article comes from multiple reputable sources including an ex US marine.

"Yeah well....ermmmmm.... FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS, FAKE NEWS"

You would almost pity them now, they are so blinded by the glow from the fake tan that they literally believe #IMPOTUS even when they know he is telling lies!

LessOutragePlz · 04-09-2020 10:10AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

If you actually read this thread there are very few if any "Biden fan boys and girls" in here. Nobody going to massive lengths to defend him or claim he is brilliant unlike those who are on the Trump train.

So you and others wouldn't vote for Biden in an election against Trump?

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 10:12AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

So you and others wouldn't vote for Biden in an election against Trump?

I'd vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Trump.

namloc1980 · 04-09-2020 10:13AM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

Although i don't support Trump he has done a lot of good for Americans also and i respect your point of view on him. Well done for sticking to your guns.

Could you list out these things that he has done that are good?

Muahahaha · 04-09-2020 10:16AM

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

I don't believe the sources, plenty of people out there that hate Trump and don't want to see him get re-elected so there's plenty of motivation out there for "sources" to come up with some fake allegations.

Also the owner of the Atlantic has previously donated to the Democratic party including to Hilary Clinton and Barrack Obama so there's a bit of bias there already.

Politically, Bradley considers himself a centrist. He has contributed to the Democratic Party.[1] In the 2008 U.S. presidential primaries he donated $104,300 to Hillary Clinton and $102,300 to Barack Obama and $69,000 to Mitt Romney

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_G._Bradley#:~:text=Bradley%20(born%201953)%20is%20the,The%20Hotline%2C%20and%20Government%20Executive.

Donald Trump also donated to the Democrats, in fact he has even donated to Kamala Harris but he didnt donate to his Vice President Mike Pence.

mcmoustache wrote: »

Is he saying that he'll swear on a bible or something that he never called John McCain a loser?

Thats literally his favourite book and he likes the Old Testament and the New Testament equally. Just dont ask him to recite his favourite passage because thats very personal and he'll refuse to do it. But its definitely his favourite book, he even likes to hold it upside down

Eric Cartman · 04-09-2020 10:19AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'd vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Trump.

at this point the rod might be more useful than Biden.

I don't think theres anyone here who genuinely believes Donald trump is the greatest president ever that you seem to think people fanboy him as,
but in my book he's certainly better than Joe Biden or Harris.

if the Dems had a decent offering the debate might be easier to make but at present its madness to suggest Biden is an actual strong contender on his own merit.

I don't think Donald trump is a brilliant president, but he's the president America deserves and I think he'll win again in a race where his opposition is a lacklustre offering.

Gerry Hatrick · 04-09-2020 10:20AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

I'd vote for an inanimate carbon rod over Trump.

So you would vote for Biden so?

dwayneshintzy · 04-09-2020 10:21AM

Gerry Hatrick, are YOU American? Why are you so confident about how Americans will feel about this election?

Timberrrrrrrr · 04-09-2020 10:24AM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

at this point the rod might be more useful than Biden.

I don't think theres anyone here who genuinely believes Donald trump is the greatest president ever that you seem to think people fanboy him as,
but in my book he's certainly better than Joe Biden or Harris.

if the Dems had a decent offering the debate might be easier to make but at present its madness to suggest Biden is an actual strong contender on his own merit.

I don't think Donald trump is a brilliant president, but he's the president America deserves and I think he'll win again in a race where his opposition is a lacklustre offering.

Yeah, America deserves a misogynistic, racist, grifter who openly insults the memories of their fallen soldiers and openly lies about it.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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