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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #5822
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    MAGA. Cities are burning, economy is in tatters, virus is killing 1000+ a day, virus has killed over 182000 people, national dbet the largest in history and grown 68% from 2016 to 2019, Russia openly attacking the democratic system, mass unemployment, food lines, schools closed, state having to provide billions or welfare to farmers due to trade decisions, and now he is openly saying that the electrical system itself is flawed and as such no democratic decision can be taken as real.

    MAGA indeed.


  • #5823
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He's just trying encourage people to test the postal voting system I don't see that as a bad thing.

    If it works, the person will have committed voter fraud.
    If it doesn't work, the person will have attempted to commit voter fraud.

    Both those things could lead to criminal prosecution against the person.

    You don't see that as a bad thing?


  • #5824
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    No - He's trying to get people to commit a crime.

    No more No less.

    If as President he wants to ensure the integrity of the Electoral process he could approve the budget request that's been there for months at this stage for additional funding for Election Security.

    I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if anyone actually does what he has suggested they do and if they will be tried and convicted of a crime.


  • #5825
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if anyone actually does what he has suggested they do and if they will be tried and convicted of a crime.

    And if they get arrested will "The President told me to do it" be a valid defence?


  • #5826
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    And if they get arrested will "The President told me to do it" be a valid defence?

    I don't know I'm no legal eagle and I'm not familiar with the US justice system so I couldn't really answer that.

    Worse case scenario is they get convicted for voter fraud but Trump will give them a presidential pardon.


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  • #5827
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a continual process he's building on the great work that he has done over the last 4 years.

    It's open to interpretation some would say he has made America Great others would say he can continue to Make America Great.

    And others would say that he has made America worse....a lot worse. We will see in November I suppose.


  • #5828
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I suppose we'll just have to wait and see if anyone actually does what he has suggested they do and if they will be tried and convicted of a crime.

    And if they do, which you know someone will, and they are caught, should Trump be held to blame for requesting them to do it?

    He is the CiC and POTUS afterall.

    The POTUS just requested that US citizens break the law. And you have nothing to say about it except maybe wait and see.

    Again, why has Trump done nothing about this apparent shortcoming in the system until now? Why, as POTUS, has he been totally blindsided by this? He 'knew' there was voter fraud in 2016, and yet he appears to have done nothing at all to try to protect and enhance the system.

    Surely that is one if his fundamental jobs, to protect the democracy of the country?


  • #5829
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I don't know I'm no legal eagle and I'm not familiar with the US justice system so I couldn't really answer that.

    Worse case scenario is they get convicted for voter fraud but Trump will give them a presidential pardon.

    OK - So you're saying that with his statement Trump has basically said that everyone can commit voter fraud and as long as they say "Trump said it was ok" he'll pardon them??

    And you don't see a problem with that utter destruction of the integrity of the electoral process ?


  • #5830
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,603 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I don't know I'm no legal eagle and I'm not familiar with the US justice system so I couldn't really answer that.

    Worse case scenario is they get convicted for voter fraud but Trump will give them a presidential pardon.

    Are you currently unemployed? Because if you are, tweet a link to that post to Trump and you could probably get a job in his legal team.


  • #5831
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    duploelabs wrote: »
    So you're not accepting down to it being 'mumbo jumbo', have you ever used that defence in court?

    You said he was indicted which means:

    "When a person is indicted, he is given formal notice that it is believed that he committed a crime"

    https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/charging

    So he hasn't commited a crime he is believed to have done so.

    Believing that he has commited a crime does not mean that he has commited the crime so he is not a criminal.


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  • #5832
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I don't know I'm no legal eagle and I'm not familiar with the US justice system so I couldn't really answer that.

    Worse case scenario is they get convicted for voter fraud but Trump will give them a presidential pardon.

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1275871808261107712

    He is a bullsh*tter by his own words.


  • #5833
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    And others would say that he has made America worse....a lot worse. We will see in November I suppose.

    True it will be very exciting to watch.


  • #5834
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    You said he was indicted which means:

    "When a person is indicted, he is given formal notice that it is believed that he committed a crime"

    https://www.justice.gov/usao/justice-101/charging

    So he hasn't commited a crime he is believed to have done so.

    Believing that he has commited a crime does not mean that he has commited the crime so he is not a criminal.

    So , in my example below
    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    So - When a school shooter murders a bunch of school kids and then eats their own gun before the police get to them - Are they not a criminal???

    Or do they get to live on with an unblemished record because they were never convicted in a court?

    Is the school shooter only "believed" to have committed mass murder?


  • #5835
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He's just trying encourage people to test the postal voting system I don't see that as a bad thing.

    It's a felony and against the law. Amazing that we're at the stage that this has to be pointed out.


  • #5836
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ , that's pathetic.

    An All time high of 44.8% and people are trying to claim that it's a great sign.

    The only President in HISTORY to never manage to get a majority of the country to approve of him.
    :pac:

    What's gas is when you actually click on the link to the yougov trend line, it shows that the daily caller article is a point blank lie. Trumps approval as per that very trend line was higher last June. https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/trackers/donald-trump-approval

    It's almost as if The Daily Caller think their readers are sycophantic idiots who will gobble up whatever they're told, even when the very basis and sources of these claims show different.

    I'm just going to state here that this counts both for his approval rating in isolation, and for his net approval when factoring in disapproval, which was also lower last June. Because if one thing can be depended upon, it is a Trump supporter reflexively replying to this to claim it meant 'the other' without even clicking on the link already provided.

    June 2019: 45.2% approve, 52.2% disapprove, net - 7%
    Sep 2020: 44.8% approve, 53.6% disapprove, net -8.8%


  • #5837
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    So , in my example below



    Is the school shooter only "believed" to have committed mass murder?

    They were never convicted in court so they are not a criminal in the eyes of the law.

    Obviously society will have a different view on that but, I'm speaking from the States and the legislature's viewpoint.


  • #5838
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Jesus H Christ , that's pathetic.

    An All time high of 44.8% and people are trying to claim that it's a great sign.

    The only President in HISTORY to never manage to get a majority of the country to approve of him.

    Would you not agree that having his highest approval rating in his history is cause for celebration among his supporters?


  • #5839
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Would you not agree that having his highest approval rating in his history is cause for celebration among his supporters?

    Case in point.


  • #5840
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    They were never convicted in court so they are not a criminal in the eyes of the law.

    Obviously society will have a different view on that but, I'm speaking from the States and the legislature's viewpoint.

    NO - They are a CRIMINAL.

    They are not a CONVICTED Criminal , but they are absolutely categorically a Criminal.

    Your inability or refusal to understand the differential is staggering.


  • #5841
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    Case in point.

    Correction second highest approval rating ever during his presidency.


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  • #5842
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Would you not agree that having his highest approval rating in his history is cause for celebration among his supporters?

    Not really , because it's an incredibly embarrassing performance.

    It's like someone having a party to celebrate finishing 10th in a 10 person race.

    The old saying goes :-

    "You can fool some of the all of the time and all of the people some of time"

    Trump however has only ever managed the 1st part.


  • #5843
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Not really , because it's an incredibly embarrassing performance.

    It's like someone having a party to celebrate finishing 10th in a 10 person race.

    The old saying goes :-

    "You can fool some of the all of the time and all of the people some of time"

    Trump however has only ever managed the 1st part.

    But he got to 9th in the race once


  • #5844
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Not really , because it's an incredibly embarrassing performance.

    It's like someone having a party to celebrate finishing 10th in a 10 person race.

    The old saying goes :-

    "You can fool some of the all of the time and all of the people some of time"

    Trump however has only ever managed the 1st part.

    I think it's down to over half the population still believing all the fake news from the MSM.

    Once he convinces the majority of Americans to get their news from independent sources his approval rating should get above 50%.


  • #5845
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I think it's down to over half the population still believing all the fake news from the MSM.

    Once he convinces the majority of Americans to get their news from independent sources his approval rating should get above 50%.

    Sure...


  • #5846
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I think it's down to over half the population still believing all the fake news from the MSM.

    Once he convinces the majority of Americans to get their news from independent sources his approval rating should get above 50%.

    Can you point us to the independent sources which you use to get your news please.

    TIA


  • #5847
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    NO - They are a CRIMINAL.

    They are not a CONVICTED Criminal , but they are absolutely categorically a Criminal.

    Your inability or refusal to understand the differential is staggering.

    More nonsense from you. Nobody is considered a criminal unless they have been convicted of a crime and all this mental gymnastics absurdity won't change that. I bet your philosophy would suddenly much different if it were Joe Biden that hadn't been convicted of a crime but yet was being called a criminal. The man is pretty damn close to being indicted in Ukraine; okay if we call him a criminal here? I bet you don't think so.


  • #5848
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,652 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Outlaw Pete wrote: »
    More nonsense from you. Nobody is considered a criminal unless they have been convicted of a crime and all this mental gymnastics absurdity won't change that. I bet your philosophy would suddenly if it were Biden that hadn't been convicted of a crime but yet was being called a criminal. The man is pretty damn close to being indicted in Ukraine; okay if we call him a criminal here? I bet you won't think so.

    Crooked Hillary?


  • #5849
    Outlaw Pete
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    What about her?


  • #5850
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,052 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Igotadose wrote: »
    Crooked Hillary?

    Mexicans

    Protestors


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  • #5851
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Can you point us to the independent sources which you use to get your news please.

    TIA

    I get a lot of my news from YouTube.

    I watch:

    Liberal Hivemind
    Steven Crowder
    Ben Shapiro
    Fleccas Talks
    Barely Informed with Elad
    Slightly Offens*ve
    The Hodgetwins
    Liberty Hangout
    Tim Pool
    Mark Dice


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