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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #5792
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Donald Trump said yesterday that people should vote twice (once by mail and once in person) to somehow test the system. He said this in North Carolina where it is a felony to induce others to vote more than once:

    § 163-275. Certain acts declared felonies.
    Any person who shall, in connection with any primary, general or special election held in this State, do any of the acts or things declared in this section to be unlawful, shall be guilty of a Class I felony. It shall be unlawful:
    - For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or to induce another to do so, in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election;

    https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_163.html

    If a Democratic candidate came out and said that the conservative media and Trumpists would lose their absolute minds over it. And here we have the President of the US encouraging people to vote twice.


  • #5793
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Donald Trump said yesterday that people should vote twice (once by mail and once in person) to somehow test the system. He said this in North Carolina where it is a felony to induce others to vote more than once:

    § 163-275. Certain acts declared felonies.
    Any person who shall, in connection with any primary, general or special election held in this State, do any of the acts or things declared in this section to be unlawful, shall be guilty of a Class I felony. It shall be unlawful:
    - For any person with intent to commit a fraud to register or vote at more than one precinct or more than one time, or to induce another to do so, in the same primary or election, or to vote illegally at any primary or election;

    https://www.ncleg.net/EnactedLegislation/Statutes/HTML/ByChapter/Chapter_163.html

    If a Democratic candidate came out and said that the conservative media and Trumpists would lose their absolute minds over it. And here we have the President of the US encouraging people to vote twice.

    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.


  • #5794
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,448 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.

    The President should not be encouraging people to engage in voter fraud to break the law and indeed breaking it himself to "test the system". There is no evidence at all of widespread systemic voter fraud by mail in. None. In fact there is more evidence that of what voter fraud does occur (which is very low) it is in person voting: people showing up twice to vote by going to different polling stations or voter impersonation etc. Voter suppresion is a much larger issue in the US than voter fraud.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/

    I presume from your above post that you think it is perfectly acceptable for the President of the United States to encourage people to commit voter fraud? Isn't he the Law & Order President. Encouraging people to break the law doesn't tally with that does it.


  • #5795
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.


    Your honor , I only held up that corner shop at gun point to test the effectiveness of the Police response times and the efficiencies of the judicial system.It was not my intent to actually commit a crime.

    If no one caught me I would of course have brought back the money. It's just resting in my account.

    Also , when I told all my friends to do the same they to, were just testing the effectiveness of the system.

    FFS.
    namloc1980 wrote: »
    The President should not be encouraging people to engage in voter fraud to break the law and indeed breaking it himself to "test the system". There is no evidence at all of widespread systemic voter fraud by mail in. None. In fact there is more evidence that of what voter fraud does occur (which is very low) it is in person voting: people showing up twice to vote by going to different polling stations or voter impersonation etc.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2020/06/02/low-rates-of-fraud-in-vote-by-mail-states-show-the-benefits-outweigh-the-risks/

    I presume from your above post that you think it is perfectly acceptable for the President of the United States to encourage people to commit voter fraud? Isn't he the Law & Order President. Encouraging people to break the law doesn't tally with that does it.

    In fact when asked by a Judge to provide evidence of said "Rampant fraud" in court , they were unable to provide a SINGLE EXAMPLE of voter fraud relating to mail-in voting , not one.


  • #5796
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.

    That's quite impressive. You really will just believe whatever Trump says.


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  • #5797
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,130 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Carfacemandog wrote: »
    This is a bit of a joke given you were literally calling for protesters to be shot on sight earlier in these protests for entering the house of a man who had invited them into his home.
    They were caught in the act of actively committing a crime though.


  • #5798
    osarusan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,826 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.


    Jesus that's one of the worst, most stupid, most contorted defences of something Trump said I've ever seen on boards, and there have been some serious contortions before.


  • #5799
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    osarusan wrote: »
    Jesus that's one of the worst, most stupid, most contorted defences of something Trump said I've ever seen on boards, and there have been some serious contortions before.

    When they talk about Trump derangement syndrome its posts like his that make me believe some Trump supporters are certainy deranged in their undying support for him no matter what.


  • #5800
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,065 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    When they talk about Trump derangement syndrome its posts like his that make me believe some Trump supporters are certainy deranged in their undying support for him no matter what.

    At the very least there is little difference between the very anti Trump and very pro Trump sides.


  • #5801
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    mcmoustache wrote: »
    That's quite impressive. You really will just believe whatever Trump says.

    I believe him because he has delivered on his promise of Making America Great Again so he has given me no reason to doubt him and his ability to continue to Make America Great.


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  • #5802
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    ELM327 wrote: »
    They were caught in the act of actively committing a crime though.

    So, are you now saying that someone caught in the act of committing a crime is a criminal, even if they have not been found guilty?


  • #5803
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,856 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I believe him because he has delivered on his promise of Making America Great Again so he has given me no reason to doubt him and his ability to continue to Make America Great.

    If he has made America great again

    Why does he want to make America great again.....again?


  • #5804
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    I believe him because he has delivered on his promise of Making America Great Again so he has given me no reason to doubt him and his ability to continue to Make America Great.

    Ah. So that NPC meme from last year was projection too. Who'd have thunk.


  • #5805
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    If he has made America great again

    Why does he want to make America great again.....again?

    It's a continual process he's building on the great work that he has done over the last 4 years.

    It's open to interpretation some would say he has made America Great others would say he can continue to Make America Great.


  • #5806
    Billy Mays
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,356 ✭✭✭Billy Mays


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    Not everyone wants to see them since some people don't care about them as long as he keeps his promise of Making America Great Again.

    He didn't really believe that Obama wasn't an American citizen he was just showing us how easy it is to manipulate the media and get them talking about a story that he created.

    Another Trumper with telepathic powers

    Amazing


  • #5807
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    ELM327 wrote: »
    They were caught in the act of actively committing a crime though.

    They were entering the house of a man who literally invited them into his house to escape rear gassing. You wanted them shot on sight for the action of entering a house with permission.

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/06/02/dc-protesters-welcomed-into-rahul-dubey-home-police/5317028002/
    Rahul Dubey let in about 60 protesters around 10 p.m. when he and others were pepper sprayed. Dubey told NBC Washington that the group was "pinned" on his street and that they were "doing nothing wrong other than organizing and fighting to build a future that they want, that I want."

    This is exactly what you had to say at the time: "Dirty scumbags of the highest order
    Should be shot on sight by the army."

    Spare us the nonsense that you care about due process, you very clearly don't.


  • #5808
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a continual process he's building on the great work that he has done over the last 4 years.

    It's open to interpretation some would say he has made America Great others would say he can continue to Make America Great.

    Indeed and some would say he has made America immeasurably worse in every single respect.

    In fact 80% of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track and getting worse.


  • #5809
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.

    So now you're legitimising the President encouraging criminal behaviour. There doesn't seem to be any real behaviour you won't endorse.


  • #5810
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Apparently to the left, "credibly accused" means convicted.

    Except if the accusation is made by Tara Reed, then its fake news


  • #5811
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Except if the accusation is made by Tara Reed, then its fake news

    Still spelling her name wrong Kid.


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  • #5812
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Kidchameleon wrote: »
    Except if the accusation is made by Tara Reed, then its fake news

    Tara reed continually changed 'her story' and was so sketchy that her legal team dropped her


  • #5813
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,032 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    It's a good way of finding out if the postal system is fit for purpose because, if they caught voting a second time then we'll know that we can trust the postal voting system and if they don't well........... you can come to your own conclusion on that.

    It's directing people to break the law. By the supposedly Law and Order President.

    How would you even found out if the system worked, if the votes had been counted, it would be several months later before it came up in some analysis. As he knows.


  • #5814
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    Quin_Dub wrote: »
    Indeed and some would say he has made America immeasurably worse in every single respect.

    In fact 80% of Americans think that the country is on the wrong track and getting worse.

    His approval rating had never been higher so, many Americans don't think he's doing such a bad job!

    "President Donald Trump’s approval rating is the highest it has ever been, according to the trend line YouGov has created, tracking the numbers throughout his presidency."

    https://amp.dailycaller.com/2020/08/31/president-donald-trump-approval-rating-highest-ever-yougov-trend-line-graph-poll?__twitter_impression=true


  • #5815
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So now you're legitimising the President encouraging criminal behaviour. There doesn't seem to be any real behaviour you won't endorse.

    He's just trying encourage people to test the postal voting system I don't see that as a bad thing.


  • #5816
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    His approval rating had never been higher, so many Americans don't think he's doing such a bad job!

    "President Donald Trump’s approval rating is the highest it has ever been, according to the trend line YouGov has created, tracking the numbers throughout his presidency."

    https://amp.dailycaller.com/2020/08/31/president-donald-trump-approval-rating-highest-ever-yougov-trend-line-graph-poll?__twitter_impression=true

    Jesus H Christ , that's pathetic.

    An All time high of 44.8% and people are trying to claim that it's a great sign.

    The only President in HISTORY to never manage to get a majority of the country to approve of him.


  • #5817
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He's just trying encourage people to test the postal voting system I don't see that as a bad thing.

    It's criminal behavior.

    Speaking of which, you still haven't responded to this
    duploelabs wrote: »
    We was an unnamed indicted co-conspirator in the southern district of new york in the trial of Michael Cohen, the fact that he's president meant that he escaped punishment.
    That's pretty much black and white for you


  • #5818
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He's just trying encourage people to test the postal voting system I don't see that as a bad thing.

    No - He's trying to get people to commit a crime.

    No more No less.

    If as President he wants to ensure the integrity of the Electoral process he could approve the budget request that's been there for months at this stage for additional funding for Election Security.


  • #5819
    LessOutragePlz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,388 ✭✭✭LessOutragePlz


    duploelabs wrote: »
    It's criminal behavior.

    Speaking of which, you still haven't responded to this

    He hasn't been convicted of a crime you can use all the legal mumbo-jumbo you want but it doesn't change the undeniable truth that he is not a criminal.


  • #5820
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,028 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He hasn't been convicted of a crime you can use all the legal mumbo-jumbo you want but it doesn't change the undeniable truth that he is not a criminal.

    So you're not accepting down to it being 'mumbo jumbo', have you ever used that defence in court?


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  • #5821
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,747 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    LessOutragePlz wrote: »
    He hasn't been convicted of a crime you can use all the legal mumbo-jumbo you want but it doesn't change the undeniable truth that he is not a criminal.

    So - When a school shooter murders a bunch of school kids and then eats their own gun before the police get to them - Are they not a criminal???

    Or do they get to live on with an unblemished record because they were never convicted in a court?


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