Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

dundalkfc10 wrote: »

Some of its open already

Cases were still among builders working on site.

odyssey06 wrote: »

That's after the fact hindsight.

How do you know when urgently following up close contacts whether they are asymptomatic or presymptomatic?
You don't. You need to treat a positive case as if they could be contagious.

Look he said vast majority asymptomatic. Average time for showing symptoms is 5 days, majority of these were found through contact tracing, possibly they had it 5 days +, you need to accept what the Dr said, the vast majority are asymptomatic.

Personaly I think a week isolation is enough.
Overkill IMO

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And you obtained your medical, virology or epidemiology qualification from???

Trump University - “blagging it since 2016”

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Does asymptomatic mean they never get symptoms at all?

Yes, they have no symptoms, they feel fine, there only finding these through contact tracing. They've revised even testing asymptomatic in the states.
If today's numbers were people who were actually sick the numbers would be very low.
It's important we keep testing people who work with the vunrable regardless of symptoms I believe. Rapid testing can't come soon enough.

Deleted User wrote: »

Over 40,000 cases of cancer I diagnosed each year. Many of which are targeted in screening programs. How are these people to know they are vulnerable if they have not been detected?

The vast vast majority of cancers are not detected by screening.

But again you have dispensed with common sense, patients with actual cancer that require treatment will be effected more if instances of the virus surge in the community.

That is not my opinion. A Professor of Oncology in an Irish hospital stated yesterday we have to prioritize treatments over screenings.

Patients of all sorts of ailments died of Covid 19, including cancer. It's what they refer to when they say "underlining condition".

The fact certain people can't marry the too is a bit worrying.

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Can you explain where you came to your conclusion that asymptomatic are presymptomatic, what percentage of asymptomatic go on to be symptomatic. It's a contradictory conclusion, not sure why your even challenging the Dr, what view of yours does it support to hold that opinion?

I didn't say any of those things nor did I challenge what the Doctor said, nor did I in fact come to any conclusions.
I challenged the unwarranted conclusion you drew from that statement.

I merely asked the question when following up on close contact, how you distinguish between asymptomatic versus presymptomatic, without the benefit of hindsight \ further elapsed time.

If you can point me to a test that shows someone within 14 days exposure is guaranteed to be asymptomatic, and not contaguious VERSUS presymptomatic i.e. contagious and go on to develop symptoms, I withdraw my remark.

NegativeCreep wrote: »

No sexy triple digit number tonight so the Irish examiner has decided to scare us all with this: https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/munster/arid-40042097.html

No mention of the fact that his situation was extremely rare.

400- 500 people under 50 with no pre-existing medical conditions have died in the UK from covid-19.
There is some unknown factor at play here that it can really severely hit someone who would not be expected to be vulnerable.
Possibly it is viral load or some genetic quirk.

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Does asymptomatic mean they never get symptoms at all?

No symptoms but you may lose a leg, brain and heart function.

odyssey06 wrote: »

I didn't say any of those things nor did I challenge what the Doctor said, nor did I in fact come to any conclusions.
I challenged the unwarranted conclusion you drew from that statement.

I merely asked the question when following up on close contact, how you distinguish between asymptomatic versus presymptomatic, without the benefit of hindsight \ further elapsed time.

If you can point me to a test that shows someone within 14 days exposure is guaranteed to be asymptomatic, and not contaguious VERSUS presymptomatic i.e. contagious and go on to develop symptoms, I withdraw my remark.

It's a confusing point mixing presymptomatic with asymptomatic, it seems to be rare regardless. When someone becomes symptomatic they are reclassified as symptomatic. The Dr stated they were asymptomatic, therefore they are asymptomatic.

I think I know where your trying to go with this, you believe that asymptomatic can be just as dangerous as symptomatic as they may be wrongly classified but what little research we have hasn't drawn that conclusion, at a basic level a person coughing would be a lot more dangerous than someone who isn't.

I'm not asking you to withdraw your remark it's just your opinion, would I rather be in a room with asymptomatic person or symptomatic, I'll take my chances with the asymptomatic.

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Are positive asymptomatic people being monitored in any way?

It's so easy to say asymptomatic but there can be silent symptoms like low oxygen.

Hypoxemia would make me get tested, that would definitely be a symptom. So your referring to a symptomatic person not asymptomatic.

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I see the former Italian PM, currently known as Plastic Man has tested positive for C19

Bunga Bunga? Probably got it from all those young models...

Funsterdelux wrote: »

I see the former Italian PM, currently known as Plastic Man has tested positive for C19

Probably got it off his new 30 year old girlfriend.

What a guy.

odyssey06 wrote: »

It's not an opinion or a belief.
Nowhere did I say: "asymptomatic can be just as dangerous as symptomatic".

I'm simply asking the question how do you know if someone is asymptomatic or presymptomtatic within 14 days of exposure?

Presymptomatic people are highly contagious.

Put that Dr. in a room at that particular moment with a group exposed to the virus in the last 14 days, they won't know the difference either.
Nor does any test I am aware of that.
If you have information to the contrary, please share.

Where are you going with this, I'm not getting the motivation, close contacts have been traced the vast majority were asymptomatic, there is no secondary tracing happening to their close contacts. Asymptomatic don't seem to be spreading a lethal dose of the virus.
I can see how you have concerns, I'm not seeing evidence to back them up though.
Back to the BCG, the evidence is starting to point to people who've had it are asymptomatic or get a mild dose of it. We've nearly all had the injection.