Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

weldoninhio · 31-08-2020 02:52PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Maybe i'll ask next time I pop in for a pint.

Are they open at the moment?

I’m sure if you really, really used your imagination it’ll open for you. Maybe this time you can have 8 delicious creamy pints. Tim Martin could walk in and see you having a great time and decide to give you a Wetherspoons gold card. Free drinks for life for MrStuffins and the rest of the imaginary crowd can all stand up and clap for you??

MrStuffins · 31-08-2020 02:53PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’m sure if you really, really used your imagination it’ll open for you. Maybe this time you can have 8 delicious creamy pints. Tim Martin could walk in and see you having a great time and decide to give you a Wetherspoons gold card. Free drinks for life for MrStuffins and the rest of the imaginary crowd can all stand up and clap for you??

Wait.... wha'?

Are they open or not?

hetuzozaho · 31-08-2020 03:00PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

Wait.... wha'?

Are they open or not?

Wetherspoons pubs do appear open on their app...

Haven't been in yet to confirm though. Good to see more pubs opening if this is the case.

31-08-2020 03:59PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

These scenes were on the street, not in a pub. We dont know where they were drinking.

We don't even know if they were drinking. That age group is more into snorting these days.

JustAThought · 31-08-2020 04:02PM

BPKS wrote: »

I'd say direct a bit of your ire at the supermarkets and coke dealers

Maybe we should burn all telephone booths - and bar boxers just in case they’re triggers!

PommieBast · 31-08-2020 06:36PM

owlbethere wrote: »

We also see the effects of last recession ongoing today. With the costs of renting and mortgages through the roof. Our government put their heads into the sand for a long time about the housing crisis. Where are people supposed to go to when they lose their livelihoods and their homes?

There are four areas I am watching the government over (Aviation, Citizenship, Property, Pubs) and all I see in all of them is paralysis.

Some city centre rents are actually falling, but yes overall a lot of problems have simply been left unfixed since the GFC.

Dickie10 · 31-08-2020 08:57PM

PommieBast wrote: »

There are four areas I am watching the government over (Aviation, Citizenship, Property, Pubs) and all I see in all of them is paralysis.

Some city centre rents are actually falling, but yes overall a lot of problems have simply been left unfixed since the GFC.

+1
They seem gripped by fear, i honestly dont think we will have a second wave, they have now decided to live with virus , they really need to start opening everything up. they need to do this in the next 4 weeks. tbh i think we will see this once schools get back for 3 weeks and the unions are kept on thier leash. I would be very surprised if they leave pubs closed til next January. Like where do they start opening at that rate, unless they try to ban pubs and nightclubs completely.

end of the road · 31-08-2020 09:07PM

Dickie10 wrote: »

+1
They seem gripped by fear, i honestly dont think we will have a second wave, they have now decided to live with virus , they really need to start opening everything up. they need to do this in the next 4 weeks. tbh i think we will see this once schools get back for 3 weeks and the unions are kept on thier leash. I would be very surprised if they leave pubs closed til next January. Like where do they start opening at that rate, unless they try to ban pubs and nightclubs completely.

they decided to live with the virus back at the very start, hence our approach of suppress and reopen.
everything that needs to be open is open, and the luxury parts will follow when the actual evidence shows it is safe for them to reopen, or they can put forward viable plans that are workable.
there is no leash to keep the unions on as they are entitled to raise concerns in relation to things that can effect their members and non-union members have a choice of except it or join a union themselves which would be the better option.
nobody is trying to bann pubs or alcohol, the fact that MUP legislation has been passed should show they aren't wanting to bann pubs but the opposite, force us all back into them by pricing out the alternatives.

MOH · 01-09-2020 10:56AM

Irish Steve wrote: »

Enough is enough. This thread has been spiralling into a black hole for quite some time, and the repetitive circular sniping about the number of pints taken in a place that's not supposed to be open has become more than boring, and there's nothing new been added to this thread for longer than I can remember.

Well, thank you for your wonderful contribution with this post.

Clearly, there are a significant number of people who just do not want to face or accept that Covid is here, is killing people and if not managed correctly, (and that is a discussion for another thread), it still has the potential to cause massive problems for a significant number of people and the very limited reources of a chronically underfunded and badly managed health service.

I think everyone at this point if quite aware of the existence of Covid by now. The management of the HSE has got nothing to do with pubs. Though wouldn't surprise me if you tried to link them.

"wet" pubs, and that is unfortunately a very accutate and valid description are not essential to life, however you look at it, so they, along with other non essential services are not needed during a time when nothing is normal.

That simple.

It's an atrocious description. There are plenty of other non-essential services which are open. If you want them all closed and a return to a full lockdown, that's quite understandable, but again not particularly pub-specific.

I'm out of this thread, I can't take any more of the nonsense that's being repetitively and monotonously regurgitated to justify the unjustifiable.

Good. One less person repetitively and monotonously regurgitating the "pubs are bad, mmmkay" line to justify the unjust singling out of a particular sector.

MOH · 01-09-2020 11:06AM

hynesie08 wrote: »

On the free pint/€9 thing. The act states that

"A substantial meal is being defined as one that might be expected to be served as a main midday or evening meal or as a main course in either such meal”.

It was Failte ireland who tacked on.

"and will be required to be of a kind for which it would be reasonable to charge not less than €9.”

I'm reading that as, don't give them anything you wouldn't charge €9 for, not you have to charge €9.

So if a publican was doing a nachos and a pint for €9, but was charging €9 for the nachos in the before times...... I really don't see how he's skirting guidelines.

No, the price is in the act (I'm assuming the €9 is the current fixed sum set by the Minister of Justice replacing the 5 shillings).

But otherwise, totally agree with you. The act describes the nature of the meal, not the cost. The price is only relevant in terms of saying "you should be serving food which amounts to nine quid's worth" - it's not saying you actually have to charge €9 for it. Although maybe if it was being heavily enforced, actually charging nine quid might make it easier to demonstrate you're following the restrictions.

The Master · 01-09-2020 02:14PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

Wetherspoons pubs do appear open on their app...

The Abbey St one was open this morning around 11 when I passed it

Big sign outside saying "Welcome Back" and a list of guidelines to follow when inside

hetuzozaho · 01-09-2020 02:18PM

The Master wrote: »

The Abbey St one was open this morning around 11 when I passed it

Big sign outside saying "Welcome Back" and a list of guidelines to follow when inside

Ah great. I kinda wondered why they hadn't sooner as it seems like the perfect setup to adhere to current covid rules.

I'll defo pop in there someday, the app is handy and a tasty ale or two is nice!

MrStuffins · 01-09-2020 02:19PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

I’m sure if you really, really used your imagination it’ll open for you. Maybe this time you can have 8 delicious creamy pints. Tim Martin could walk in and see you having a great time and decide to give you a Wetherspoons gold card. Free drinks for life for MrStuffins and the rest of the imaginary crowd can all stand up and clap for you??

The Master wrote: »

The Abbey St one was open this morning around 11 when I passed it

Big sign outside saying "Welcome Back" and a list of guidelines to follow when inside

There's your answer. No imagination required by me.

Wetherspoons, like many many other pubs, are currently open.

Do Wetherspoons do Guinness? If so I might have to pop in!

hetuzozaho · 01-09-2020 02:21PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

There's your answer. No imagination required by me.

Wetherspoons, like many many other pubs, are currently open.

Do Wetherspoons do Guinness? If so I might have to pop in!

No, Guinness wouldn't allow them to sell it cheap. The pint of plain is a premium brand don't you know.

They sell Beamish though!

Simon201 · 01-09-2020 02:37PM

MrStuffins wrote: »

There's your answer. No imagination required by me.

Wetherspoons, like many many other pubs, are currently open.

Do Wetherspoons do Guinness? If so I might have to pop in!

Just curious MrStuffins and it's only a hunch but would you be looking forward to this and will you enjoy it?

Even find it delicious?

Akabusi · 01-09-2020 02:41PM

hetuzozaho wrote: »

No, Guinness wouldn't allow them to sell it cheap. The pint of plain is a premium brand don't you know.

They sell Beamish though!

Beamish is nicer in any case!

MrStuffins · 01-09-2020 02:41PM

Simon201 wrote: »

Just curious MrStuffins and it's only a hunch but would you be looking forward to this and will you enjoy it?

Even find it delicious?

Nah, they only sell Beamish! Who am I? Paddy Losty?

stephenjmcd · 01-09-2020 03:06PM

The Master wrote: »

The Abbey St one was open this morning around 11 when I passed it

Big sign outside saying "Welcome Back" and a list of guidelines to follow when inside

Think it literally opened back up this morning.

Dun Laoighre and Blanch opened last week

bodhrandude · 01-09-2020 03:38PM

The Crane Bar in Galway opened yesterday, no live music at the moment but they a partnering with Oscar's Seafood Bistro for the food side.

MrStuffins · 01-09-2020 03:49PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Beamish for €1.95 at that!

I'll be heading for a few tomorrow. Along with a substantial meal of course. Will need to be very substantial to hit €9 in there I'd say.

Very true but it's great to see another pub, in this case chain of pubs, taking advantage of the current guidelines that are available to all pubs in the land and reopening.

Won't be long until everything is back to normal hopefully!

hynesie08 · 01-09-2020 04:00PM

MOH wrote: »

No, the price is in the act (I'm assuming the €9 is the current fixed sum set by the Minister of Justice replacing the 5 shillings).

But otherwise, totally agree with you. The act describes the nature of the meal, not the cost. The price is only relevant in terms of saying "you should be serving food which amounts to nine quid's worth" - it's not saying you actually have to charge €9 for it. Although maybe if it was being heavily enforced, actually charging nine quid might make it easier to demonstrate you're following the restrictions.

I'd seen the five shillings thing, didn't think it was worth mentioning considering it's 2020.

As far as I've seen Failte ireland set the €9 thing, the Minister said it wasn't NPHET, and the act hasn't been updated.

It's interesting because if you're doing a deal with a chipper, you don't have to add on some invisible covid charge. If a quarter pounder and chips is €6, you can charge that.......maybe the lva should be passing this information on to it's members......

MOH · 01-09-2020 04:23PM

hynesie08 wrote: »

I'd seen the five shillings thing, didn't think it was worth mentioning considering it's 2020.

As far as I've seen Failte ireland set the €9 thing, the Minister said it wasn't NPHET, and the act hasn't been updated.

It's interesting because if you're doing a deal with a chipper, you don't have to add on some invisible covid charge. If a quarter pounder and chips is €6, you can charge that.......maybe the lva should be passing this information on to it's members......

I was curious so I went digging again. It's Michael McDowell's fault, the act was amended to €9 in 2003

But yeah, it's largely irrelevant anyway.

hynesie08 · 01-09-2020 04:38PM

MOH wrote: »

I was curious so I went digging again. It's Michael McDowell's fault, the act was amended to €9 in 2003

But yeah, it's largely irrelevant anyway.

Prick....... (mcdowell, not you...... Although I don't know you)

So theoretically any place doing half price wings or pizza on a Monday/Tuesday are theoretically flouting the rules?

PTH2009 · 01-09-2020 05:24PM

The numbers will rise cause of the opening of pubs Oh wait

Tenzor07 · 01-09-2020 07:38PM

This pretty much sums up the NPHET rules on pubs reopening..i.e. The whole situation is a F**ing joke:

Speaking with their mouths today, officials from the National Public Health Emergency Team laid out the strict but cost effective new protocols, stating that if publicans put their right leg in, their right leg out, their right leg in and then shake it all about before the pouring of every single pint – only then can their premises open to the general public.

“Alternatively, left legged publicans can also put their left leg in and then their left leg out, before shaking it all about, this should be enough to ward off any potential virus, much the same way a substantial meal would do – it’s science,” a NPHET press official explained, while demonstrating the latest set of hoops proprietors must jump through.

“I suppose it’s not like pubs are part of Irish culture, or indeed, one of the main tourist attractions here, like meat factories are,”

https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/09/01/nphet-advise-publicans-that-if-they-put-their-right-leg-in-their-right-leg-out-their-right-leg-in-and-shake-it-all-about-they-can-open/

US2 · 02-09-2020 09:52PM

Looking good for mid September, we can all have 7 pints of delicious Guinness in the open pubs

02-09-2020 09:55PM

US2 wrote: »

Looking good for mid September, we can all have 7 pints of delicious Guinness in the open pubs

Do you go drinking with MrStuffins

giveitholly · 02-09-2020 09:56PM

US2 wrote: »

Looking good for mid September, we can all have 7 pints of delicious Guinness in the open pubs

Don't forget tasty

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000 · 02-09-2020 10:06PM

US2 wrote: »

Looking good for mid September, we can all have 7 pints of delicious Guinness in the open pubs

"tHe PuBs ArE oPen"

MrStuffins · 03-09-2020 12:10AM

Hunky Monster wrote: »

"tHe PuBs ArE oPen"

Glad we're finally on the same page! Not only was I in the pub last Sat, I'll be going to a different one THIS Sat. Will the Guinness be delicious? We'll just have to wait and see!

My guess is that you went to one of the many many open pubs, had a few scoops and realised "Wait, MrStuffins was right. This is a pub and it's also open".

No need to apologise, but if you insist I'll let you buy me a tasty pint!

Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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