How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

History Queen · 31-08-2020 06:50PM

combat14 wrote: »

just seen a school gym on the rte news converted into a classroom or as advertised 6 classrooms but it is still effectively the one room all sharing the same air.. is that the norm.. and how is it not breaching guidelines!

could have a wedding with a couple hundred at it if hotels did the same thing to large room!

In line with guidelines issued by the department of education. They had a diagram included showing a gym split in to three classrooms.

History Queen · 31-08-2020 06:53PM

Locotastic wrote: »

How is it that despite us exiting lockdown some time ago now and all of our increased testing, increased numbers travelling etc that we haven't seen a massive increase in cases or deaths?

I'm not sure but think it might be due to more cases now being in younger people than it had been during lockdown where many cases were amongst the elderly due to what happened in nursing homes. Younger people than the at risk catagory (as in under 65) seem much less likely to be seriously ill or to die.

iamwhoiam · 31-08-2020 07:01PM

History Queen wrote: »

I'm not sure but think it might be due to more cases now being in younger people than it had been during lockdown where many cases were amongst the elderly due to what happened in nursing homes. Younger people than the at risk catagory (as in under 65) seem much less likely to be seriously ill or to die.

That and also some medical personnel are saying that due to mask wearing by adults that the viral load has been reduced . This leads to a less aggressive disease .

yoshimitsu · 31-08-2020 07:14PM

Locotastic wrote: »

How is it that despite us exiting lockdown some time ago now and all of our increased testing, increased numbers travelling etc that we haven't seen a massive increase in cases or deaths?

I'm not sure the number of tests administered in Ireland has gone up quite as much as in other countries. I dont have data on hand so this is an anecdotal conclusion but in Continental Europe you get tested more easily, cheaply and frequently. And the results of those actually matter

I made the example in my previous post of workplaces, airports and schools requiring testing in many countries.

E.g. I work for a French company here in Dublin. They have subsidiaries in Italy, Germany, Austria besides the HQ in Paris. In all locations - except Ireland - you can come back from international travel (outside of "green listed" countries), take a test (free or sub-40 euros, 24hr turnaround), isolate until you have the results and if negative you can turn up to work. In Ireland this is not possible

sekond · 31-08-2020 07:19PM

We lasted a whole two full days at school before the first cough and sore throat hit. 9yo daughter started with runny nose yesterday and cough and sore throat this morning. GP referred her for covid testing, and tested this afternoon. Older child in secondary hasn't even got as far as the first full day back, and the rest of the family are stuck at home too until test results come through. I'm 99% sure its the standard back to school cold that she gets every year, but it looks like being a long year.... (and if she can't go back even with a negative test until 48 hours after she no longer has any symptoms, it'll be a while until she can go back).

I've been told by three people, who I would have considered fairly sensible, that I should have just sent her to school as she "wasn't coughing much".

Kris74 · 31-08-2020 08:21PM

markodaly wrote: »

Excellant post.

The most intelligent and empathetic post I have read on this . Am sharing widely .

Kris74 · 31-08-2020 08:26PM

pwurple wrote: »

There's a whiff of privilege off that post. I'm alright Jack is it?

I'm sure if you have mamai sa chistin agus dad on fulltime work-from-home, with fibre broadband and shopping delivered, you're fine with school open or closed.

If you're in a deis area, where the children were being FED actual food at school, it's a different story.

If your family relies on social supports (IE school is the only place they are not hopped off the wall), you're in trouble.

If your child needs intensive support to maintain how they function, you're in bad shape.

If you're in rural ireland with your first chance of getting to college and meet some like minded peers, you're stuck at home on the farm. Putting young adults lives on hold for years? Putting their own home and career out of reach for a longer time.

And don't pooh pooh that childcare aspect either. I have colleagues in healthcare who are having nervous breakdowns from sleep deprivation because they are working nightshifts and coming home to full time childcare.

Even beyond the personal impact on workers, the impact on us is important. If people can't work, they can't create income that gets taxed. Exchequer funds are meaningless to some, but with an eye on the bigger picture, the longer this goes on, the less people can work, the longer we will all be paying for it. Say bye bye to a chunk of your pensions, hello cuts to social welfare, see ya later arts programs, cuts to the gardai etc etc etc.

School is absolutely integral to our society. It's how we stop the poor getting poorer. It's how we prevent future societal breakdown. it's how we support each other, especially those who badly NEED that support.

Apologies .Didn’t attach correctly .This person speaks absolute sense.

owlbethere · 31-08-2020 08:27PM

sekond wrote: »

We lasted a whole two full days at school before the first cough and sore throat hit. 9yo daughter started with runny nose yesterday and cough and sore throat this morning. GP referred her for covid testing, and tested this afternoon. Older child in secondary hasn't even got as far as the first full day back, and the rest of the family are stuck at home too until test results come through. I'm 99% sure its the standard back to school cold that she gets every year, but it looks like being a long year.... (and if she can't go back even with a negative test until 48 hours after she no longer has any symptoms, it'll be a while until she can go back).

I've been told by three people, who I would have considered fairly sensible, that I should have just sent her to school as she "wasn't coughing much".

People rewriting the rules to suit themselves

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 08:32PM

sekond wrote: »

Absolutely from the post of view that it's likely a cold (although sore throat came at same time as/before cough). But the school and childcare instructions are clear - children with a cough are not permitted to attend, and you need to contact GP.

I had fully expected the GP to tell me to keep an eye on her and keep her home and see how it progressed over the next 24 hours, assuming a cold, rather than immediately send her for a test, but I wasnt going to send a coughing and spluttering child to school, when we are specifically asked not to.

Did you even get to talk to the doctor or was it a nurse, we've to pay here if you want to get the doctors opinion, the nurses in the GP are sending everyone, I agree with keeping them home but you'll know if it's a cold, they'll probably pass it on in the house as well. It'll be interesting to hear how it pans out. Hopefully all well.

Our creche was a bit mental like that at the very start but a lot more relaxed around symptoms now as it was getting redicilous sending 18mt olds for covid tests when all their experience told them it's not covid. Only thing they won't be let in with now is a temperature over 38 same as every other year.

Looking at the numbers it's not circulating in the community, Roma community, direct provision etc made up the bulk of today's numbers.

iamwhoiam · 31-08-2020 08:37PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did you even get to talk to the doctor or was it a nurse, we've to pay here if you want to get the doctors opinion, the nurses in the GP are sending everyone, I agree with keeping them home but you'll know if it's a cold, they'll probably pass it on in the house as well. It'll be interesting to hear how it pans out. Hopefully all well.

Our creche was a bit mental like that at the very start but a lot more relaxed around symptoms now as it was getting redicilous sending 18mt olds for covid tests when all their experience told them it's not covid. Only thing they won't be let in with now is a temperature over 38 same as every other year.

Looking at the numbers it's not circulating in the community, Roma community, direct provision etc made up the bulk of today's numbers.

How do you know who are making up the figures? Have you a link to say it was the Roma community ?

sekond · 31-08-2020 08:41PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Did you even get to talk to the doctor or was it a nurse, we've to pay here if you want to get the doctors opinion, the nurses in the GP are sending everyone, I agree with keeping them home but you'll know if it's a cold, they'll probably pass it on in the house as well. It'll be interesting to hear how it pans out. Hopefully all well.
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Yes it will be interesting to see what will happen if she tests negative and then we all come down with similar symptoms which, as you say, is fairly usual with a cold.

Spoke to the GP directly, at more length than I expected. Quite willing to talk through reasoning, and reassure me regarding the test process. Triaged by receptionist then got the call back from doctor a few hours later.

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 08:46PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

How do you know who are making up the figures? Have you a link to say it was the Roma community ?

From the main thread..

Updated at-risk figures:
22 new cases + 1 cluster in Roma community
6 new cases + 1 cluster in direct provision
2 new cases + 1 cluster in homeless services

iamwhoiam · 31-08-2020 08:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

From the main thread..

Updated at-risk figures:
22 new cases + 1 cluster in Roma community
6 new cases + 1 cluster in direct provision
2 new cases + 1 cluster in homeless services

Thanks .

solerina · 31-08-2020 08:56PM

combat14 wrote: »

just seen a school gym on the rte news converted into a classroom or as advertised 6 classrooms but it is still effectively the one room all sharing the same air.. is that the norm.. and how is it not breaching guidelines!

could have a wedding with a couple hundred at it if hotels did the same thing to large room!

As a teacher or student this set up would be a major pain. You could easily the hear the noise from the other students on the piece recorded for Tv...you would be in one class but listening to what was going on in 6 !! We have a room a bit like this and it’s the one are no one wants to teach in as its very noisy and distracting. Principal said the classes had 30 in each so that’s 6x30 + 6 teachers (no idea about how many SNAs) all sharing what is in effect one room.

31-08-2020 08:59PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Runny nose turns into a cough, cough turns into a sore throat, I'd agree with your sensible friends. Doctor will send for a Covid tests regardless. I'm surprised it's the year 2020 and doctors aren't capable of diagnosing a cold.

Idiotic beyond belief.

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 09:12PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

Idiotic beyond belief.

Do you know what a cold is and how it progresses. Do you have kids, you'll know they get plenty throughout the year. Really don't think you have any skin the the game calling parents idiots.

s1ippy · 31-08-2020 09:21PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Looking at the numbers it's not circulating in the community, Roma community, direct provision etc made up the bulk of today's numbers.

And nobody from those communities is entitled to an education as we all know (??)

sekond wrote: »

I've been told by three people, who I would have considered fairly sensible, that I should have just sent her to school as she "wasn't coughing much".

Good on you for having a sensible approach.

khalessi · 31-08-2020 09:23PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you know what a cold is and how it progresses. Do you have kids, you'll know they get plenty throughout the year. Really don't think you have any skin the the game calling parents idiots.

Your posts regarding the virus as as ignorant as be dammed. You are exactly the type of parent no teacher wants in their class. There is a novelcorona virus and you with your google degree in medicine question the gp's approach. There are departmental guidelines to follow and sekond did the right thing, despite the fact it will more than likely turn out to be a cold, considering her child had more than one symptom.

It takes one case to set it off and no person can know if it is a cold or coronavirus. Being cautious with a novelcoronavirus is no harm. Sending a child in with multiple symtoms is not fair on the child or the school. It is bad enough how bad the guidelines were in the first place without having calpol parents sending their children in.

Sekond, thank you for taking the difficult decision but correct one in approaching gp. I hope your daughter is ok and it all works out. I know it is a pain in the arse every time a child gets a sniffle but thank you as parents like you will help the return to school work out better and schools stay open.

Blondini · 31-08-2020 09:31PM

khalessi wrote: »

Your posts regarding the virus as as ignorant as be dammed. You are exactly the type of parent no teacher wants in their class.

True, and unfortunately him and some other silly covid-deniers have taken over what could be a very useful thread for discerning people.

sideswipe · 31-08-2020 09:36PM

sekond wrote: »

We lasted a whole two full days at school before the first cough and sore throat hit. 9yo daughter started with runny nose yesterday and cough and sore throat this morning. GP referred her for covid testing, and tested this afternoon. Older child in secondary hasn't even got as far as the first full day back, and the rest of the family are stuck at home too until test results come through. I'm 99% sure its the standard back to school cold that she gets every year, but it looks like being a long year.... (and if she can't go back even with a negative test until 48 hours after she no longer has any symptoms, it'll be a while until she can go back).

I've been told by three people, who I would have considered fairly sensible, that I should have just sent her to school as she "wasn't coughing much".

Well done for doing the right thing.

s1ippy · 31-08-2020 09:37PM

My friend's sister is in Scotland and only 1/3 of children are present both of her kids' classes this week.

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/schools/1546471/more-than-22000-schoolchildren-absent-in-a-single-day-as-demand-soars-for-coronavirus-tests/amp/

Afaik they partially reopened two weeks ago and brought all students back last week.

31-08-2020 09:47PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you know what a cold is and how it progresses. Do you have kids, you'll know they get plenty throughout the year. Really don't think you have any skin the the game calling parents idiots.

It’s doesn’t matter how many colds they or anyone gets. There is always a chance it could be covid so it’s pure stupidity not to talk to your doctor and get a test.

I’d be in favour of testing everyone regularly in a work place or school etc to ensure no one has it even with no symptoms.

I can’t understand your mentality at all, why not just get tested and be sure why are you so against testing. Would you not rather be 100% sure.

I’m still working from home but our office is open for people who want to go in. If I went to work with any symptom of a cold I would be in serious trouble and rightly so - your attitude is the very attitude that most of the country is trying to get rid of. You are a potential super spreader, not feeling great and into work “sure it’s only a cold” and next thing your work place is a cluster (since you appear to be going into work too even though you should be working from home if possible).

PowerToWait · 31-08-2020 09:54PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

I can’t understand your mentality at all, why not just get tested and be sure why are you so against testing. Would you not rather be 100% sure..

Against testing, against masks, against restrictions. Says it all really.

Lolabear2020 · 31-08-2020 10:01PM

I’ve two young kids missing their first days of school this week, one starting junior infants, as both displayed cold like symptoms which we weren’t concerned with but they started coughing at the weekend. Called d doc straight away and was referred for testing which was actually a quick and efficient process. Now it’s just a waiting game for their results.

While I’ve no problem doing this and wouldn’t have dreamt of sending them in otherwise I just don’t know how the winter will work with the usual constant coughs and colds. My husband is self employed and is obviously not able to work now as we all have to isolate. Half the country will be off and there will be huge waits on tests. I don’t have a solution but I just don’t see how this will work either unless we get guaranteed one day turn around for testing or something similar.

iamwhoiam · 31-08-2020 10:05PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Do you know what a cold is and how it progresses. Do you have kids, you'll know they get plenty throughout the year. Really don't think you have any skin the the game calling parents idiots.

Do you know what Covid 19 is ? It killed 28 beautiful people in the care home my mum was in . Have some respect for them and have some respect for frontline workers and NPHET and scientists who know far more than you do . Have some respect for parents and teachers who are doing what is right for the community . Have the cop on to see Covid as an enemy to be defeated by shielding each other . Because by ignoring it and its symptoms is neither big or clever

jrosen · 31-08-2020 10:06PM

I think what everyone needs to remember is we should all still be limiting our contacts. Even though for many of us we are back to work and have been for months, kids back to school and sports. We should still where possible be limiting our contacts.

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 10:15PM

Adrianna Gigantic Moth wrote: »

It’s doesn’t matter how many colds they or anyone gets. There is always a chance it could be covid so it’s pure stupidity not to talk to your doctor and get a test.

I’d be in favour of testing everyone regularly in a work place or school etc to ensure no one has it even with no symptoms.

I can’t understand your mentality at all, why not just get tested and be sure why are you so against testing. Would you not rather be 100% sure.

I’m still working from home but our office is open for people who want to go in. If I went to work with any symptom of a cold I would be in serious trouble and rightly so - your attitude is the very attitude that most of the country is trying to get rid of. You are a potential super spreader, not feeling great and into work “sure it’s only a cold” and next thing your work place is a cluster (since you appear to be going into work too even though you should be working from home if possible).

Potential super spreader:D , I take issue with masks as the facts don't back up the mandatory mandates, I keep my distance, clean my hands regularly, check my kids temps before school. I'm doing what I think is necessary and is backed up with real evidence.
You on the other hand don't seem to have any experience with kids, were potential looking at 20+ covid tests a year in this house. That to me is madness especially for a virus that from what evidence we have says kids either don't get it and if they do their symptoms are mild..
Your hysterically scared of this virus, it's not healthy. You have to stop thinking people are all potential murders, it's simple not a logical position to take when you look at the facts.

I don't know maybe the schools will all be closed with outbreaks everywhere in 2 weeks, I don't believe that's going to happen though based on the facts, I think life will be very close to being back to normal, it pretty much is for a lot of parents right now.

drunkmonkey · 31-08-2020 10:25PM

iamwhoiam wrote: »

Do you know what Covid 19 is ? It killed 28 beautiful people in the care home my mum was in . Have some respect for them and have some respect for frontline workers and NPHET and scientists who know far more than you do . Have some respect for parents and teachers who are doing what is right for the community . Have the cop on to see Covid as an enemy to be defeated by shielding each other . Because by ignoring it and its symptoms is neither big or clever

Why point that anger at me. I had no hand or part in what happened in nursing homes, that was NPHET and the HSE. Have a go at them. I've provided evidence for my view points that's a lot more than I can say for some NPHET guidelines.
There will be enquires about this, I too know people who have been lost to this not from Covid but from cancer that was given no treatment because of the pandemic, they didn't even try and help them.

A cold is not progressive like Covid, I know my kids long enough to stay calm until I suspect it's more than a cold, I don't loose the right just because it's a pandemic.

combat14 · 31-08-2020 10:59PM

does any one know what the covid test is like .. heard one person say it was like poking a stick up your nose into your brain behind your eyeball and then they gave it a twist.. is that true?

count me out for testing every week if that is the case ?!!!

31-08-2020 11:01PM

It’s fine, it’s a funny sensation in your nose sort of a tickley feeling as it’s stuck up quite far. Over in a matter of seconds and within 5 mins you wouldn’t even know you had it done.

Would be absolutely fine to have done regularly.

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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