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Bishop of hope · 28-08-2020 09:20PM

Bowie wrote: »

It's not, this is:

Guests of Brian Hayes. If this is wrong I'll withdraw.
Might explain, [SPECULATION] why the legislation put through the Dáil 3 weeks ago which favoured Vulture Funds and tenant evictions now and after Covid. [Carlsberg defence] Probably.

I linked to Brian Hayes guests this morning.
School friends he said and said the guest list could be checked.
None of them have any links to vulture funds.
So again with the "claim" and no names or links to back it up, just speculation?

James Brown · 28-08-2020 10:01PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I linked to Brian Hayes guests this morning.
School friends he said and said the guest list could be checked.
None of them have any links to vulture funds.
So again with the "claim" and no names or links to back it up, just speculation?

I'll need a more trusted source than Mr. Hayes. I read it this morning, I think on a PBP related article, not to try hang PBP. If it's untrue I'll obviously accept it as such.
Again, that's a claim, indeed.
The tax payer likely paying was suggested as a probability based on FF/FG being what they are.

Bishop of hope · 28-08-2020 10:31PM

Bowie wrote: »

I'll need a more trusted source than Mr. Hayes. I read it this morning, I think on a PBP related article, not to try hang PBP. If it's untrue I'll obviously accept it as such.
Again, that's a claim, indeed.
The tax payer likely paying was suggested as a probability based on FF/FG being what they are.

Theres a lot of claims.
Of course claims aren't facts, but sometimes claims are expressed as fact.
I heard Claire Daly make, that claim from Brussels yesterday too.
I can't say for certain there weren't vulture fund reps at it either, but I'm not claiming there weren't.
You can't name any but you're claiming there were!

James Brown · 28-08-2020 10:52PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Theres a lot of claims.
Of course claims aren't facts, but sometimes claims are expressed as fact.
I heard Claire Daly make, that claim from Brussels yesterday too.
I can't say for certain there weren't vulture fund reps at it either, but I'm not claiming there weren't.
You can't name any but you're claiming there were!

TBF, you asked who they were and got a company name. Yes an unproven claim.

Bishop of hope · 29-08-2020 07:42AM

Bowie wrote: »

TBF, you asked who they were and got a company name. Yes an unproven claim.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40039022.html

Interestingly Claire Daly in her interview in Brussels that I listened to said it was her belief before the controversy with Hogan that if you had a negative covid test you're movements wouldn't be restricted.

Brendan Bendar · 29-08-2020 07:55AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

I linked to Brian Hayes guests this morning.
School friends he said and said the guest list could be checked.
None of them have any links to vulture funds.
So again with the "claim" and no names or links to back it up, just speculation?

Most of the lads ‘claims’ are just that ‘speculation’.

29-08-2020 08:09AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40039022.html

Interestingly Claire Daly in her interview in Brussels that I listened to said it was her belief before the controversy with Hogan that if you had a negative covid test you're movements wouldn't be restricted.

Big Phil didn’t have the test before arriving in Ireland. He had it a day or two later when he was in hospital for a procedure.

Uriel. · 29-08-2020 08:13AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Big Phil didn’t have the test before arriving in Ireland. He had it a day or two later when he was in hospital for a procedure.

I think it starts to show though that the likes of Phil Hogan and the MEPs who are not living in Ireland day to day are far removed from the changing situation in the country. Its ultimately not what cost hogan his job, but I can see the potential honesty in the mistake in believing that a negative test makes it OK for you to come out of quarantine

29-08-2020 08:19AM

Uriel. wrote: »

I think it starts to show though that the likes of Phil Hogan and the MEPs who are not living in Ireland day to day are far removed from the changing situation in the country. Its ultimately not what cost hogan his job, but I can see the potential honesty in the mistake in believing that a negative test makes it OK for you to come out of quarantine

I would agree IF he’d had the test BEFORE traveling. Or if, as a frequent traveller, he was having regular tests. There’s also the question of mixing with people after being in hospital.

FrancieBrady · 29-08-2020 09:42AM

Uriel. wrote: »

I think it starts to show though that the likes of Phil Hogan and the MEPs who are not living in Ireland day to day are far removed from the changing situation in the country. Its ultimately not what cost hogan his job, but I can see the potential honesty in the mistake in believing that a negative test makes it OK for you to come out of quarantine

He started lying precisely because he knew exactly what the situation was in the country and that he had ignored it.

JohnnyFlash · 29-08-2020 09:47AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

He started lying precisely because he knew exactly what the situation was in the country and that he had ignored it.

If a SF TD was found to have travelled through multiple counties during the lockdown then would you be in favour of them losing the whip?

Hypothetical question of course.......

FrancieBrady · 29-08-2020 10:05AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

If a SF TD was found to have travelled through multiple counties during the lockdown then would you be in favour of them losing the whip?

Hypothetical question of course.......

I believe they should be sanctioned in some way, yes.

I called for my local councillor (whom I know personally and have worked with in her role outside politics) to be sanctioned on this site. She is SF.

McMurphy · 29-08-2020 10:05AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40039022.html

Interestingly Claire Daly in her interview in Brussels that I listened to said it was her belief before the controversy with Hogan that if you had a negative covid test you're movements wouldn't be restricted.

What does it matter what Clare Dalys beliefs are or were? The HSE and Citizens advice both clarified that Hogan was wrong in his belief.

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

If a SF TD was found to have travelled through multiple counties during the lockdown then would you be in favour of them losing the whip?

Hypothetical question of course.......

Phil didnt give up his gig because of breaking lockdown restrictions, he gave it up because he left his own position untenable through his lies to his boss is my understanding.

You should be over the moon John, I know you're a keen golfer, maybe you and big Philo will get in a few holes in the next few days, I hear he'll have a bit more free time on his hands to perfect his pitch and putts.

JohnnyFlash · 29-08-2020 10:17AM

McMurphy wrote: »

What does it matter what Clare Dalys beliefs are or were? The HSE and Citizens advice both clarified that Hogan was wrong in his belief.

Phil didnt give up his gig because of breaking lockdown restrictions, he gave it up because he left his own position untenable through his lies to his boss is my understanding.

You should be over the moon John, I know you're a keen golfer, maybe you and big Philo will get in a few holes in the next few days, I hear he'll have a bit more free time on his hands to perfect his pitch and putts.

Haven’t a clue what you are on about, dude. I play golf. So what?

Same question for you - if it was to emerge that a SF TD had travelled through multiple counties during lockdown then should they be punished? Lose the whip, resign, kneecapping?

McMurphy · 29-08-2020 10:31AM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Haven’t a clue what you are on about, dude. I play golf. So what?

I posted in my reply, it was tongue in cheek, but yeah - I know you play golf, so too does Phil Hogan, maybe you'll bump into him on a green or a clubhouse in the coming weeks, tis not rocket science.

Same question for you - if it was to emerge that a SF TD had travelled through multiple counties during lockdown then should they be punished? Lose the whip, resign, kneecapping?

Too many variables to form an opinion, why were they travelling through various counties during lockdown, was it essential business etc?

And when it came to light that they had broken lockdown regulations without a valid reason, did they release over nine statements, each one a correction of the previous one, little pieces of info added that they forgot etc, and did they then try and blame others including the citizens advice website, health officials and hotel and their associations?

Also, you may have missed it, but it was Michaél, Leo and Eamon that were expressing big Phils position was untenable, so I'm unsure about the infatuation with the hypothetical TD or councillor having to be a shinner.

James Brown · 29-08-2020 01:11PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40039022.html

Interestingly Claire Daly in her interview in Brussels that I listened to said it was her belief before the controversy with Hogan that if you had a negative covid test you're movements wouldn't be restricted.

Thats pretty dumb alright. You could catch it leaving the test facility.

James Brown · 29-08-2020 01:14PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

If a SF TD was found to have travelled through multiple counties during the lockdown then would you be in favour of them losing the whip?

Hypothetical question of course.......

I would. Why the need for the bait and switch? Do you not think hogan lied precisely because he knew what he was at was wrong?

Truthvader · 29-08-2020 01:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe they should be sanctioned in some way, yes.

I called for my local councillor (whoso was she dhot?m I know personally and have worked with in her role outside politics) to be sanctioned on this site. She is SF.

So was she shot or beaten ?

James Brown · 29-08-2020 01:20PM

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Haven’t a clue what you are on about, dude. I play golf. So what?

Same question for you - if it was to emerge that a SF TD had travelled through multiple counties during lockdown then should they be punished? Lose the whip, resign, kneecapping?

Get them to apologise keep their head down then make it up to them at a later date or Various state pensions and a board appointment. That'll learn 'em.

James Brown · 29-08-2020 01:24PM

Truthvader wrote: »

So was she shot or beaten ?

The blueshirts back? Mind, they never really went away right?

https://twitter.com/BryanMallonOFF/status/1275108965853126657?s=09[/url[

blanch152 · 29-08-2020 01:51PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe they should be sanctioned in some way, yes.

I called for my local councillor (whom I know personally and have worked with in her role outside politics) to be sanctioned on this site. She is SF.

And I understand that she has lost the whip along with an SD councillor, and another councillor Egan from one of the bigger parties.

That leaves us with Wolfe and the Shinners who went to the funeral hanging on to their positions of privilege.

Truthvader · 29-08-2020 02:07PM

Bowie wrote: »

The blueshirts back? Mind, they never really went away right?

https://twitter.com/BryanMallonOFF/status/1275108965853126657?s=09[/url[

Because anyone who wont brush over the Sinn Fein IRA glorious history of cowardice crime and savagery has to be a member of a sad fascist clique that hasnt existed for 90 years.No other explanation

James Brown · 29-08-2020 02:43PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Because anyone who wont brush over the Sinn Fein IRA glorious history of cowardice crime and savagery has to be a member of a sad fascist clique that hasnt existed for 90 years.No other explanation

No its any FG member who admires the blueshirts and likens them to present day FG. Did you not read the tweets?

FrancieBrady · 29-08-2020 04:04PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And I understand that she has lost the whip along with an SD councillor, and another councillor Egan from one of the bigger parties.

That leaves us with Wolfe and the Shinners who went to the funeral hanging on to their positions of privilege.

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

Brendan Bendar · 29-08-2020 04:09PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

How does that po-faced post sit with Cullinane exulting at having ‘broken the State’ and supporting a terrorist organisation.

I would suggest there is quite a difference.

James Brown · 29-08-2020 04:25PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I think you need to accept that Clifden is about much more than not complying with Covid regs and advice.

Woulfe's situation goes to the very heart of the separation of powers issue and what has been exposed as FF and FG's ambivalent attitude to them, if not worse.

Its sad it can't be discussed without a tit for tat 'but SF'. Its a pretty big deal and I believe the public are as pissed off about the cosiness of them all maybe even above the covid regulations.

FrancieBrady · 29-08-2020 04:49PM

Bowie wrote: »

Its sad it can't be discussed without a tit for tat 'but SF'. Its a pretty big deal and I believe the public are as pissed off about the cosiness of them all maybe even above the covid regulations.

They are trying their best to divert but it's not working

McMurphy · 29-08-2020 05:00PM

blanch152 wrote: »

And I understand that she has lost the whip along with an SD councillor, and another councillor Egan from one of the bigger parties.

That leaves us with Wolfe and the Shinners who went to the funeral hanging on to their positions of privilege.

Kenneth Egan from Fine Gael. (Most of us will know him as Kenny Egan the boxer)

"One of the bigger parties" you must have found it too difficult to type out both the full name of "Councillor Egan" and which party he was from.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I believe they should be sanctioned in some way, yes.

I called for my local councillor (whom I know personally and have worked with in her role outside politics) to be sanctioned on this site. She is SF.

Muahahaha put up an excellent article that outlines the blatant cronyism that was going on between the likes of Woulfe and Hogan etc over on the Woulfe thread.

New politics my hole.

Floppybits · 29-08-2020 05:13PM

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

Rows Grower · 29-08-2020 05:29PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Woulfe is a more serious issue than Hogan. Yes Hogan is an ignorant ass and the pressure was on him because of his past behaviour when in government but a supreme Court justice found to be out mixing with politicians, eu commissioners and lobbyists like Brian Hayes is a bigger issue. How can he now be trusted to judge cases that may involve those groups?

In all fairness, he's entitled to socialise with whoever he wants to.

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