FF/FG/Green Next Government

Edgware · 28-08-2020 12:27PM

smurgen wrote: »

Frances Fitzgerald in the running for Phil Hogan's job.What am embarrassing. She's a liar. Even lies about small things.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/fitzgerald-tall-tail-lost-dog-855907

Do we need old Ma Fitz with her finger on the button?

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 12:47PM

A lot of bile washing around the platform today.

JohnnyFlash · 28-08-2020 12:49PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A lot of bile washing around the platform today.

Outrage is addictive, B.

Muahahaha · 28-08-2020 01:09PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

A lot of bile washing around the platform today.

Yeah agreed, theres a lot of anger out there from FGers licking their wounds after the absolute omnishambles created by their own party. It was a masterclass in shooting themselves in the foot.

FGers have a right to expect that their politicians would be playing senior hurling but its been anything but. We're only seven weeks in here and hurtling fast towards a hard Brexit with the government looking punch drunk already. They really need to pull their socks up and start playing this senior hurling that we were all promised.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 01:54PM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah agreed, theres a lot of anger out there from FGers licking their wounds after the absolute omnishambles created by their own party. It was a masterclass in shooting themselves in the foot.

FGers have a right to expect that their politicians would be playing senior hurling but its been anything but. We're only seven weeks in here and hurtling fast towards a hard Brexit with the government looking punch drunk already. They really need to pull their socks up and start playing this senior hurling that we were all promised.

At least they didn’t shoot themselves in the knees.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 02:15PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

Big Phil says thanks lads.
He can self isolate, maybe, he can drive around, have dinners out, play golf everyday, and all on you and me.

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-former-commissioner-phil-hogan-can-expect-golden-handshake-of-up-to-300000-39484926.html

Do you feel up till now he was cracking open his personal piggy bank?
Not sure why you find it amusing.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 02:22PM

Yurt! wrote: »

I don't give a hoot what anyone thinks, having vulture funds present at a golf event with the Oireachtas seal on it is most definitively not a good look. That's not even to mention the pandemic on top of it.

It was supposedly a club of sorts with invited guests. The fact that they invited people from vulture fund Promontoria, a subsidiary of Cerberus no less, really speaks to their behind the scenes antics. Was Michael Noonan there? Cronyism at it's worst, business as usual for these public representatives.

Either vulture funds are personal friends of some public representatives or they were invited for business purposes likely not in the public interest but likely funded by. 'Pigs in the trough' couldn't be more apt.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 02:28PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You say it happens, but you can never back it up.

Excuse me, you made this personal claim/attack:

blanch152 wrote: »

Not unheard of, in fact it is a common them to nearly all of his posts, for Bowie to hurl unsubstantiated allegations like confetti at Ministers and other office-holders. Here are the guidelines for Ministers, if you are aware of any breaches of them, please let SIPO know.
...

Either back it up with an example or apologise.

You agreed former ministers get private board appointments after politics. That's the only claim I made and the above was your response. Unfounded personal attack followed by agreement on what I actually said in that Hogan would likely get some Board position.

FrancieBrady · 28-08-2020 02:31PM

Bowie wrote: »

Do you feel up till now he was cracking open his personal piggy bank?
Not sure why you find it amusing.

There's a lot of that (I would say specific to FG) gloating going on across social media.

'Loadsa money Hughie' springs to mind.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 02:33PM

Bowie wrote: »

It was supposedly a club of sorts with invited guests. The fact that they invited people from vulture fund Promontoria, a subsidiary of Cerberus no less, really speaks to their behind the scenes antics. Was Michael Noonan there? Cronyism at it's worst, business as usual for these public representatives.

Either vulture funds are personal friends of some public representatives or they were invited for business purposes likely not in the public interest but likely funded by. 'Pigs in the trough' couldn't be more apt.

Did these people accept the invitation?

All 23 handicappers probably.

markodaly · 28-08-2020 02:36PM

Bowie wrote: »

Either back it up with an example or apologise.

In fairness, Blanch is right on this one.

You are forever mentioning SIPO, Dinny, Vulture funds, quangos and so on.
It's like that if you mention them often enough, Trump-style, you can make it a reality.

Kinda like the famous line by Doherty from Wizard of Oz.

So, unless you actually have some proof that will stand up in a court of law and not some Gemma Doherty type internet account of something, then I suggest you stop making it easy for the rest of us to not take you seriously.

28-08-2020 02:36PM

Bowie wrote: »

It was supposedly a club of sorts with invited guests. The fact that they invited people from vulture fund Promontoria, a subsidiary of Cerberus no less, really speaks to their behind the scenes antics. Was Michael Noonan there? Cronyism at it's worst, business as usual for these public representatives.

Either vulture funds are personal friends of some public representatives or they were invited for business purposes likely not in the public interest but likely funded by. 'Pigs in the trough' couldn't be more apt.

It makes no difference who was there. The event should have been cancelled. It was a kick in the teeth for people who lost loved ones and couldn’t be with them in their final hours or even attend their funeral. It also poured scorn on the many couples who had to postpone or drastically reduce numbers at their weddings. Not to mention bars forced to stay closed, many never to reopen. Sporting events taking place without spectators.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 02:41PM

markodaly wrote: »

In fairness, Blanch is right on this one.

You are forever mentioning SIPO, Dinny, Vulture funds, quangos and so on.
It's like that if you mention them often enough, Trump-style, you can make it a reality.

Kinda like the famous line by Doherty from Wizard of Oz.

So, unless you actually have some proof that will stand up in a court of law and not some Gemma Doherty type internet account of something, then I suggest you stop making it easy for the rest of us to not take you seriously.

Correct Mark

Completely boring with the same auld mantra, hints, innuendos, doesn’t fool the folks here.

Horse it up baas, or get of the pot.

TheCitizen · 28-08-2020 02:45PM

Dear oh dear, what an omnishambles this lot are turning out to be.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 02:53PM

markodaly wrote: »

In fairness, Blanch is right on this one.

You are forever mentioning SIPO, Dinny, Vulture funds, quangos and so on.
It's like that if you mention them often enough, Trump-style, you can make it a reality.

Kinda like the famous line by Doherty from Wizard of Oz.

So, unless you actually have some proof that will stand up in a court of law and not some Gemma Doherty type internet account of something, then I suggest you stop making it easy for the rest of us to not take you seriously.

That's not what he said. He claimed I made allegations but is either refusing or unable to back that claim up.
Yes, I mention many of those things in context.
You are being personal with this post.
Either report any comments to a MOD or show an example to support your claim that 'Blanch is right on this one'.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 02:56PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It makes no difference who was there. The event should have been cancelled. It was a kick in the teeth for people who lost loved ones and couldn’t be with them in their final hours or even attend their funeral. It also poured scorn on the many couples who had to postpone or drastically reduce numbers at their weddings. Not to mention bars forced to stay closed, many never to reopen. Sporting events taking place without spectators.

It very much does. FF and FG public representatives of all levels are wining and dining, likely on the tax payers shilling, with a Supreme Court Justice and representatives of a vulture fund. That speaks of cronyism.

28-08-2020 03:15PM

Bowie wrote: »

It very much does. FF and FG public representatives of all levels are wining and dining, likely on the tax payers shilling, with a Supreme Court Justice and representatives of a vulture fund. That speaks of cronyism.

Have you proof that it was at taxpayers expense?

Before Covid, I would have attendEd social occasions without knowing the makeup of the rest of the guests. I haven’t been able to attend anything since mid March.

28-08-2020 03:16PM

Bowie wrote: »

It very much does. FF and FG public representatives of all levels are wining and dining, likely on the tax payers shilling, with a Supreme Court Justice and representatives of a vulture fund. That speaks of cronyism.

Did any of this sh*tshow actually get expensed back to the taxpayer or is this just another allegation without any evidence?

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 03:35PM

There’s always this to fall back on
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/mary-lou-mcdonald-defends-business-class-flights-for-gruelling-australian-tour-1.1926067

markodaly · 28-08-2020 03:56PM

Bowie wrote: »

He claimed I made allegations but is either refusing or unable to back that claim up.

Yes, he did and he is 100% correct that you do that.

show an example to support your claim that 'Blanch is right on this one'.

You make it too easy for us.

Bowie wrote: »

FF and FG public representatives of all levels are wining and dining, likely on the tax payers shilling,

No proof, not evidence, no back up, no hard facts... just some made up on the hoof, spurious, populist allegation.

I know online people have a low bar nowadays for the truth, but this stuff you go on about every day, the populist made up 'facts' and allegations that Gemma O'Doherty and her ilk are famous for don't cut the mustard. In fact it wont even get you in the front door of a court house.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 03:59PM

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, he did and he is 100% that you do that.

You make it too easy for us.

No proof, not evidence, no back up, no hard facts... just some made up on the hoof, spurious, populist allegation.

I know online people have a low bar nowadays for the truth, but this stuff you go on about every day, the populist made up 'facts' and allegations that Gemma O'Doherty and her ilk are famous for don't cut the mustard. In fact it wont even get you in the front door of a court house.

Good call Mark.

These lads like to sling crud all around the place and hope some sticks.

Credibility in short supply.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 04:43PM

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Did any of this sh*tshow actually get expensed back to the taxpayer or is this just another allegation without any evidence?

What allegation? I made no claim. No evidence required. Don't government associated functions usually get allowances and the like?

I did find the Golf Society members charged €140 for two days of golf and a gala dinner Link

You've no issue or comment on vulture fund representatives being in attendance?

James Brown · 28-08-2020 04:48PM

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, he did and he is 100% correct that you do that.

You make it too easy for us.

No proof, not evidence, no back up, no hard facts... just some made up on the hoof, spurious, populist allegation.

I know online people have a low bar nowadays for the truth, but this stuff you go on about every day, the populist made up 'facts' and allegations that Gemma O'Doherty and her ilk are famous for don't cut the mustard. In fact it wont even get you in the front door of a court house.

Three things, firstly that's a quote since your claim.
Secondly 'likely' means probably, it is not a claim.
Thirdly, if you would rather get personal than discuss vulture funds being in attendance at the golf piss up or any other topic beside baseless personal unsubstantiated claims against me, I would suggest you consider the below:

mike_ie wrote: »

Mod: markodaly, blanch152, mynamejeff, Bowie - whatever personal gripes you have with each other, they end here - it's fouling up every thread. Either learn to actually debate with each other, put each other on ignore, or end up threadbanned - your call from here on in. This goes for the forum as a whole, and there will be no other warnings on this.

Brendan Bendar · 28-08-2020 04:51PM

Bowie wrote: »

Three things, firstly that's a quote since your claim.
Secondly 'likely' means probably, it is not a claim.
Thirdly, if you would rather get personal than discuss vulture funds being in attendance at the golf piss up or any other topic beside baseless personal unsubstantiated claims against me, I would suggest you consider the below:

Why would you ‘quote ‘ that mod warning.

Surely let the mods do the moderating.

28-08-2020 06:19PM

Bowie wrote: »

What allegation? I made no claim. No evidence required. Don't government associated functions usually get allowances and the like?

I did find the Golf Society members charged €140 for two days of golf and a gala dinner Link

You've no issue or comment on vulture fund representatives being in attendance?

So, your claim that the function was funded by the taxpayer was false?

You will always find politicians and business people mixing socially. There’s nothing wrong with it per se.
What is galling is that the function took place at all.

James Brown · 28-08-2020 06:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

So, your claim that the function was funded by the taxpayer was false?

You will always find politicians and business people mixing socially. There’s nothing wrong with it per se.
What is galling is that the function took place at all.

No, your claim I made a claim is.

28-08-2020 06:44PM

Bowie wrote: »

It very much does. FF and FG public representatives of all levels are wining and dining, likely on the tax payers shilling, with a Supreme Court Justice and representatives of a vulture fund. That speaks of cronyism.

Bowie wrote: »

No, your claim I made a claim is.

Remember this?

James Brown · 28-08-2020 06:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Remember this?

That's not a claim Maryanne.

Remember this?

...'likely' means probably, it is not a claim.

Is this of great interest to you over and above the politics of the day?

Bishop of hope · 28-08-2020 08:28PM

Bowie wrote: »

That's not a claim Maryanne.

Remember this?

Is this of great interest to you over and above the politics of the day?

It's a claim.
Still waiting to see the, vulture fund reps at that dinner named, loads of claims on that, maybe you or some of the others claiming it will name them?

James Brown · 28-08-2020 09:15PM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

It's a claim.
Still waiting to see the, vulture fund reps at that dinner named, loads of claims on that, maybe you or some of the others claiming it will name them?

It's not, this is:

Bowie wrote: »

It was supposedly a club of sorts with invited guests. The fact that they invited people from vulture fund Promontoria, a subsidiary of Cerberus no less, really speaks to their behind the scenes antics. Was Michael Noonan there? Cronyism at it's worst, business as usual for these public representatives.

Either vulture funds are personal friends of some public representatives or they were invited for business purposes likely not in the public interest but likely funded by. 'Pigs in the trough' couldn't be more apt.

Guests of Brian Hayes. If this is wrong I'll withdraw.
Might explain, [SPECULATION] why the legislation put through the Dáil 3 weeks ago which favoured Vulture Funds and tenant evictions now and after Covid. [Carlsberg defence] Probably.

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