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How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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  • #5342
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    One girl was yesterday I know of, her mother going bonkers as she had to leave work to collect her.
    There are way more than 4 symptoms to be on the look out for.

    A parent was going bonkers because the school were concerned about her child’s welfare? If the school ignored the symptoms no doubt she would go bonkers with their negligence.


  • #5343
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    I spoke to teacher and principal regarding windows and other issues I saw yesterday. Was great to see they totally get it and will be opening them as much as possible and have plan inlace to increase air changels Very reassuring that they understand it and that the safety of kids and teacher is paramount. We all want them to stay open as long as possible. Physical distancing is nearly impossible but what can you do?


  • #5344
    HotMama89
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61 ✭✭HotMama89


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    This is where it all goes wrong as the have something they can pass on which match with the symptons, they've the all clear but when they pass it on the next person needs the all clear.

    Fully agree and I'm sure will happen alot as so many non covid colds/coughs will go around over the next few months.


  • #5345
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    HotMama89 wrote: »
    Fully agree and I'm sure will happen alot as so many non covid colds/coughs will go around over the next few months.

    Should be hilarious, looking forward to a winter staycation already, I can see schools loosing interest in the new normal once lots of kids start getting tested and all start coming back negative.


  • #5346
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Should be hilarious, looking forward to a winter staycation already, I can see schools loosing interest in the new normal once lots of kids start getting tested and all start coming back negative.

    The vast majority of tests come back negative. Why would schools be any different?
    Why will it be hilarious?


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  • #5347
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭josip


    JDD wrote: »
    Those 15 minute tests will be a game changer. You could test a child in school and if it's positive, send the whole class home. If it's negative they could probably stay at home for 48 hours and if symptoms worsen then be sent for a HSE test. If symptoms don't worsen, just wait for the child to get over the cold and then they can be sent back to school.

    You could get the whole family tested at the local pharmacy, even without symptoms, just before Christmas and then feel safe having your older parents for Christmas dinner.

    HCW in nursing homes could be tested once a week. Visitors could be tested before they came in.

    Total game changer. This might be the product that rescues the economy, before any vaccine arrives.


    Just because they're faster doesn't mean they're going to be freely available and cheap.
    I would expect that they will be priced appropriately considering their convenience


  • #5348
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    JDD wrote: »
    Those 15 minute tests will be a game changer. You could test a child in school and if it's positive, send the whole class home. If it's negative they could probably stay at home for 48 hours and if symptoms worsen then be sent for a HSE test. If symptoms don't worsen, just wait for the child to get over the cold and then they can be sent back to school.

    Who do you think will administer these in school?

    Not a hope it will be a teacher. We are barely allowed to put a plaster on a kid now.


  • #5349
    josip
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,783 ✭✭✭✭josip


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Who do you think will administer these in school?

    Not a hope it will be a teacher. We are barely allowed to put a plaster on a kid now.


    It will probably require a GP to give you a referral to an approved testing location.


  • #5350
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    The vast majority of tests come back negative. Why would schools be any different?
    Why will it be hilarious?

    As it'll be come apparent how crazy a plan they've rolled out. There coming back negative as the symptoms cover a whole host of illnesses, we can't keep locking down and testing for covid constantly. It's endemic now. What's today's numbers, •8% coming back positive, that's a huge amount of misdiagnosis happening at the coal face.


  • #5351
    Queried
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Queried


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    As it'll be come apparent how crazy a plan they've rolled out. There coming back negative as the symptoms cover a whole host of illnesses, we can't keep locking down and testing for covid constantly. It's endemic now. What's today's numbers, •8% coming back positive, that's a huge amount of misdiagnosis happening at the coal face.

    I understand what you mean but is there any alternative in situations where people are in close quarters every day such as a workplace or school?


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  • #5352
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/back-to-school/four-in-five-post-primary-school-buses-will-not-be-able-to-accommodate-social-distancing-next-week-39486021.html


  • #5353
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    As it'll be come apparent how crazy a plan they've rolled out. There coming back negative as the symptoms cover a whole host of illnesses, we can't keep locking down and testing for covid constantly. It's endemic now. What's today's numbers, •8% coming back positive, that's a huge amount of misdiagnosis happening at the coal face.

    So erring on the side of caution with regard to testing is hilarious?
    If it is endemic why do we have so few positive tests?


  • #5354
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/back-to-school/four-in-five-post-primary-school-buses-will-not-be-able-to-accommodate-social-distancing-next-week-39486021.html

    Isn't that the real case use for proper n95 masks, if you can't distance then you wear one.
    They are giving a fuel allowance to drop your kids to school instead of the bus I think.


  • #5355
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    josip wrote: »
    Just because they're faster doesn't mean they're going to be freely available and cheap.
    I would expect that they will be priced appropriately considering their convenience

    It said that Abbott would sell them at $5 (about €4) and a pharmacist could carry out the test. If these did become cheap and widely available, there's no reason the government couldn't mandate that one teacher and one back up per school could be trained up and could administer these in school, with the consent of parents.

    The most likely scenario is that you'd have to go to your doctor, or have the doctor call your local pharmacist, in order to obtain a test. They can't have them all sell out just because people want to take the test for the craic of it.


  • #5356
    the corpo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,813 ✭✭✭the corpo


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/education/back-to-school/four-in-five-post-primary-school-buses-will-not-be-able-to-accommodate-social-distancing-next-week-39486021.html

    Sigh. So I guess the real question for the Departmen is what level of infection/outbreak is acceptable?


  • #5357
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    So erring on the side of caution with regard to testing is hilarious?
    If it is endemic why do we have so few positive tests?

    It's unworkable, I want to see reality dawn.

    It's endemic but so are the other 99 viruses people are picking up, the odds speak for themselves.
    The main issue is the nursing homes and hospitals, it needs to be kept out of there at all costs.


  • #5358
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    My one usually sits down and does a Google with me, needed to go a week ago for a follow up check but said I needed a covid test first, went to Holland and Barret instead...all better now.

    I can see now why you think we are testing too much.


  • #5359
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    So erring on the side of caution with regard to testing is hilarious?
    If it is endemic why do we have so few positive tests?

    Last I read about tests is that they have an error margin of about 20% which is huge. Many also slip through being as it's early stages and yet undetectable.


  • #5360
    downthemiddle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,649 ✭✭✭downthemiddle


    irishblessing wrote: »
    Last I read about tests is that they have an error margin of about 20% which is huge. Many also slip through being as it's early stages and yet undetectable.

    So what’s the solution? You seem to be suggesting that testing is pointless.


  • #5361
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,061 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    So what’s the solution? You seem to be suggesting that testing is pointless.

    Maybe it is in under 19's with no or little symptoms...

    LONDON (Reuters) - Children and young people are far less likely than adults to get severe cases of COVID-19 infection, and death from the pandemic disease among children is exceptionally rare, according to UK research published on Thursday.

    “The highest level message really has to be that (in children with COVID-19) severe disease is rare, and death is vanishingly rare - and that (parents) should be comforted that their children are not at direct harm by going back into school,” he told a briefing.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children/severe-or-fatal-covid-19-very-rare-in-children-study-finds-idUSKBN25O2DE


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  • #5362
    byhookorbycrook
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,548 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    JDD wrote: »
    It said that Abbott would sell them at $5 (about €4) and a pharmacist could carry out the test. If these did become cheap and widely available, there's no reason the government couldn't mandate that one teacher and one back up per school could be trained up and could administer these in school, with the consent of parents.

    The most likely scenario is that you'd have to go to your doctor, or have the doctor call your local pharmacist, in order to obtain a test. They can't have them all sell out just because people want to take the test for the craic of it.

    Considering schools can’t even administer Calpol , how do you think they could use a test that has quite a large amount of false negatives/positives ?
    The Karen’s would be lining up to sue the school, for starters .


  • #5363
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Maybe it is in under 19's with no or little symptoms...

    LONDON (Reuters) - Children and young people are far less likely than adults to get severe cases of COVID-19 infection, and death from the pandemic disease among children is exceptionally rare, according to UK research published on Thursday.

    “The highest level message really has to be that (in children with COVID-19) severe disease is rare, and death is vanishingly rare - and that (parents) should be comforted that their children are not at direct harm by going back into school,” he told a briefing.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-children/severe-or-fatal-covid-19-very-rare-in-children-study-finds-idUSKBN25O2DE

    We know they do get as sick as adults but as has been mentioned here before, 0-5 year olds have more coronavirus in their nose than adults. 10 years old and up can spread it as much as adults. So going into school means they may not be sick and a runny nose is a symptom of milder infections. So if they spread it other children may get it and not be sick but could pass it to their relatives who could be very sick, or to their teachers who could be very sick.

    Norway's biggest school outbreak had 40 cases of children with covid19 totally related to them being infected in schools.


  • #5364
    [Deleted User]
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    In all honesty, from everything I'm reading it sounds like they're just doing this

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    and giving up making any meaningful attempts at stopping the spread of this virus, at this stage.


  • #5365
    irishblessing
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 962 ✭✭✭irishblessing


    downthemiddle wrote: »
    So what’s the solution? You seem to be suggesting that testing is pointless.

    Ah god, seriously? It is just me or does anyone else seem to have people twisting up your posts to accuse you of saying something you literally never said or even suggested for that matter. It's tiresome and very, very annoying.


  • #5366
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Deleted User wrote: »
    In all honesty, from everything I'm reading it sounds like they're just doing this

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    and giving up making any meaningful attempts at stopping the spread of this virus, at this stage.

    I think you are right but I think it is deliberate to prove they opened the schools and kept them open, why else not have social distancing in class or on the bus, or inform parents of an infection in class, or send a child home with mild symptoms, or not tell of a postive case to staff or parents.
    All very very strange.


  • #5367
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    My kid will be 3 in a few weeks and is starting pre school next week

    He was playing with his cousin yesterday who had a fever last night and he woke up with a sore throat this morning

    Should I keep him out of school on Monday I just have no idea

    Also should I self isolate at this point


  • #5368
    combat14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,432 ✭✭✭combat14


    Covid-19: Holding gatherings of more than six to be a civil offence

    Cabinet decides making large parties criminal offences would be too ‘extreme’ a measure


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/covid-19-holding-gatherings-of-more-than-six-to-be-a-civil-offence-1.4341361%3fmode=amp

    this seems to be an absolute joke considering there are hundreds indoors in school buildings now all day long!


  • #5369
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    My kid will be 3 in a few weeks and is starting pre school next week

    He was playing with his cousin yesterday who had a fever last night and he woke up with a sore throat this morning

    Should I keep him out of school on Monday I just have no idea

    Also should I self isolate at this point

    I presume his cousin will be going for a test ? It’s probably in everyone’s best interest to isolate till you find out if test is positive or negative.


  • #5370
    wirelessdude01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,441 ✭✭✭wirelessdude01


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    My kid will be 3 in a few weeks and is starting pre school next week

    He was playing with his cousin yesterday who had a fever last night and he woke up with a sore throat this morning

    Should I keep him out of school on Monday I just have no idea

    Also should I self isolate at this point

    Is the cousin going for a test?


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  • #5371
    Backstreet Moyes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    wirelessdude01 wrote: »
    Is the cousin going for a test?

    She is going to the doctor this morning but I would assume so


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