NBA 2K21 / NBA Live 21

Zero-Cool · 30-06-2020 7:02pm #1

2K21 cover announced for CURRENT gen, makes it sound like next gen version will be different enough maybe. No idea if Live 21 will happen but adding it to the title in case it does get announced.

So, what are things you want in 2K21 besides the usual VC Bollox?

https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/1277966443875725314?s=19

callaway92 · 30-06-2020 9:17pm

Suppose Zion will be the 'Next Gen' cover. Makes sense really.

Same old thing for yearly releases unfortunately. Not much can be improved on.

MyTeam has been saturated with Legends, Diamond, Pink Diamond, Galaxy Opal cards etc.. It's ruined

Sephiroth_dude · 30-06-2020 9:29pm

I just finished watching the Michael Jordan documentary on netflix and have an itch for a basketball game now, Is there a career mode? whats it like?

Zero-Cool · 30-06-2020 9:41pm

Callaway, yeah my team gets flooded with great cards, really takes away from building up a squad.

Sephiroth, yupp the career usually has a prologue story mode that sees you getting to the nba. Then it's regular seasons with cutscenes thrown in now and then. Nba 2k20 is free for ps plus to users next week, definitely recommend giving it a go.

The big problem is that career is linked with park streetball mode and you can pay to upgrade your character quickly or grind it out. Most people who want to play park will pay to get an advantage and others pay just to have a better player in career mode, ****ty system.

As for the Jordan doc, you can play as those historic teams as well, 90's nba was the best!

Kiith · 01-07-2020 9:37am

Won't this be absolutely riddled with insane amounts of microtransactions again? 2K certainly seem to be the kings of that ****e now.

Zero-Cool · 01-07-2020 9:39am

Kiith wrote: »

Won't this be absolutely riddled with insane amounts of microtransactions again? 2K certainly seem to be the kings of that ****e now.

No doubt, they make ridiculous amounts of money from it and the 2K ceo has a clause where he gets bonuses per mtx sold.

Wuff Wuff · 01-07-2020 10:16am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

I just finished watching the Michael Jordan documentary on netflix and have an itch for a basketball game now, Is there a career mode? whats it like?

NBA 2K20 is coming free on ps plus next tuesday i heard

Sephiroth_dude · 01-07-2020 10:36am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

As for the Jordan doc, you can play as those historic teams as well, 90's nba was the best!

It certainly seems like it was a great era for basketball.

callaway92 · 01-07-2020 3:46pm

callaway92 wrote: »

Suppose Zion will be the 'Next Gen' cover. Makes sense really.

Confirmed Zion for Next Gen cover

callaway92 · 01-07-2020 6:33pm

Wuff Wuff wrote: »

NBA 2K20 is coming free on ps plus next tuesday i heard

And it’s a smart move on their end.

Literally nothing to lose. Sales probably have come to nothing at this stage. If they could get 50,000 people to download it, if 100 of them start spending money on it then it’s happy days.

Potential-Monke · 01-07-2020 7:03pm

Won't even consider it until I hear about the VC process, if it's anything like 20 I won't purchase until it's a fiver again. About 60 hours in and I'm still only 78 overall, too much of a grind to get anywhere near a decent level, and I don't even play Park, etc because what's the point until your character is at least in the 90's.

Zero-Cool · 02-07-2020 6:56pm

We honour Kobe.....by charging more for his cover.

https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/1278691246123425792?s=19

05-07-2020 3:15pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Won't even consider it until I hear about the VC process, if it's anything like 20 I won't purchase until it's a fiver again. About 60 hours in and I'm still only 78 overall, too much of a grind to get anywhere near a decent level, and I don't even play Park, etc because what's the point until your character is at least in the 90's.

There wasnt as much of a grind this year.

I ended up getting a C to 93, two PGs around 90 and had a few other positions I got into the high 80s. In previous years I barely had my only player near 90.

The key is to play 5 min quarters, if you're playing full length games you wont get that much more per game as the salary/player ratings are capped in terms of VC per game.

My main issue is the Park and its whole set up. If you're starting off people will just jump off ready if you jump on, theres very little point playing the park alone. You'll end up playing with some clown shooting 1:10 and not adjusting.
I read they were changing the park so let's see what they do with that.

Zero-Cool · 05-07-2020 3:21pm

The idea of park is great but it doesn't work as you're waiting 10 minutes for a game only for people to avoid you if you don't 'look' good and then when you do get a games, you have to deal with glory hunters who are ****. Best bet is to squad up but it's rare you get enough people even on here for a few games.

NBA live has it best. Street ball that auto matchmakes you into a game. Still has glory hunters but at least there's no waiting

The problem is, people but VC to show off their character in park and now vc to upgrade them to make them good (even though they're still ****) so there's no way they are getting rid of it I'd say. It would be great if they even had separate parks for ratings like noobs 60-70, amateur, 71-80 etc. But the park in 2k20 was always dead when i loaded in as it was, bunch of people standing around probable browsing menus.

Potential-Monke · 10-07-2020 12:05am

There's actually something I'd love if they would include it in the career mode of all the next NBA games. The ability to turn off the timeout and half time bits. Wrecks my bean having to sit and wait for 15 seconds on each timeout before you can skip it. I get it's to make it feel more realistic, but it adds unnecessary time to playing a game. I like playing full length games, but with all the added time it makes them too long. Should at least make them immediately skipable as they start to repeat or talk about players I've no interest in!!

Zero-Cool · 10-07-2020 12:08am

Jesus, i spend more time pressing x to skip stupid presentation scenes. I'm convinced it's so they can force more add time for their sponsors.

I prefer nba live for the simple reason i can boot it up, great straight into a game whether offline or online, okay to 21, have a good time and jump into another game if i so wish.

I always feel burned out after 1 game of 2k for how long it is.

Potential-Monke · 10-07-2020 12:26am

Add in practice and it extends it even longer, and the weekly training in the GATORADE TRAINING FACILITY (which, if I manage to get the extra boost from training, I find I get tired quicker...)! Most days I usually just play one game. If I could skip all that craic, I'd probably play 2-3 games a day. And it's a shame, because the gameplay is basically perfect.

On the plus side, I've broken the record for highest points by a rookie in a single game, and I'm probably going to be in the dunk contest! Just taking ages to get there!

v3ttel · 14-07-2020 5:45pm

I would love if you can play a cut down season in MyCareer. 82 games plus the playoffs is too much for me, even on 4 or 5 minute quarters (and I don't want to sim games).

Also, as I mostly played MyPark alone, it's a huge waste of time. You end up playing with randomers who ball hog and won't play as a team. That's if you can find a game, because nobody wants to play if you haven't sunk a huge amount of VC into your player.

Potential-Monke · 14-07-2020 8:39pm

I'd love to see how many hours I've put into 2K20, but on PS4 it's not possible apparantly, but is on PC/Xbox. I play all 12 minute quarters, and I've easily 25+ hours put in I reckon, and not even at the All Star games in my Rookie Year yet!

callaway92 · 14-07-2020 8:42pm

v3ttel wrote: »

I would love if you can play a cut down season in MyCareer. 82 games plus the playoffs is too much for me, even on 4 or 5 minute quarters (and I don't want to sim games).

That's a feature you were able to do in Live. Was a nice one.

v3ttel · 20-07-2020 10:45am

callaway92 wrote: »

That's a feature you were able to do in Live. Was a nice one.

Yeah, I loved that option in Live. It's actually a key thing for me. I would like to get multiple years into a career, but even with 4 minute quarters, that's about 20-25 minutes per game (including timeouts, half time, free throws, etc).

That's like 30 hours per season, not including cut-scenes, training, or the playoffs. It's too much of a grind for me to get through a single season now, nevermind one.

Would love if they included this. It's an option when playing MyLeague at least which is what I mostly played in 2K20, just because I could get multiple seasons in.

Zero-Cool · 20-07-2020 10:50am

The worst part of the long play sessions needed is that half your time is watching some presentation or add or loading screen. I need quick games, in and out and onto the next. I don't want to walk around a neighborhood looking for practice facility. Speaking of the hood, that should be kept completely separate to career mode unless there are optional NPC's you can find/talk to who can unlock more things but keep it so that people who want to just play bball never have to touch it.

The fact it's integrated with online play takes so much away from it for me.

Corvo · 20-07-2020 11:37am

MyCareer is definitely one of my favourite modes and I do genuinely like the grind at the start. I think you are probably better off bumping up the difficulty and mins per quarter for all of your first season and play each and every game and take in as much VC / Stat Boosts etc as you can.

After a certain level you and your team will just steam roll everyone and you don't need as much VC so secure the play-offs and sim the rest of the season (bar All Star Games, Dunk Competitions etc) until the end of the season.

Agree on the Neighborhood section, needs to be separated away from MyCareer. If I want a pair of shoes or tattoo I don't want to have to actually go to the store myself, just give me a simplified in game menu.

Also, they need to really review how the game handles difficulty level changes. There is a massive difference between the shooting success percentages between say All-Star to SuperStar difficulty, and again for Hall of Fame. That success percentage also seems to hit your team quite hard. I'm in my 4th season on a Lakers team with Le Bron - 98, Jason Tatum - 91, Luka Doncic - 99 and Marvin Bagley - 88 and my own player is 98 rated. We shouldn't be missing shots regularl just because of a difficulty bump.

Zero-Cool · 25-08-2020 8:10am

NBA 2K21 demo live on the stores now. It's 30gb though. Play 5 quick games or start your My Player and try them out.

Zero-Cool · 26-08-2020 4:25pm

Played 1 game and uninstalled it. Absolute copy and paste of last year. Will hold off until the next gen version details.

27-08-2020 1:35pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Played 1 game and uninstalled it. Absolute copy and paste of last year. Will hold off until the next gen version details.

Yeah I was the same... I didnt even finish the game.
I have no interest playing the AI in 5v5 and doing a test build game had no appeal either.

I'll likely get it next week anyway but yes I didnt notice anything new in the little bit I played.
Having said that I played 20 until recently so there wasnt much wrong - they just need to make the park more appealing to individuals.

Apparently they're one of the only producers not including a free upgrade for the next gen(not does your player carry over) but that's still a few months away.

Zero-Cool · 27-08-2020 2:36pm

I think they make too much money off Park in it's toxic state to ever change it of people paying 60 quid on launch just to boost your player to 85 to get ahead of others and join the elite club where people won't play with you if you're under an 80.

Also, you can get a 'free' upgrade to next gen if you buy the 100 euro Mamba edition :rolleyes:

Also, the Ultimate Team completely crosses over to Next Gen which is good but it's career mode I want to see. If next gen releases in November, I can wait a couple of months to get the next gen version. The extra 10 quid won't bother me as I'm sure I can find it cheaper than RRP anyway.

Zero-Cool · 28-08-2020 8:30pm

Career/Park trailer. Junior has to be the best nickname they've ever come out with and makes sense to the story that you're the son of an Bball legend.

Park looks nice and flashy but same ol ****. Empty courts, waiting 10+ minutes for a game while the majority of players on the server are running around like eejits.

https://twitter.com/NBA2K/status/1299346520391573504?s=19

Zero-Cool · 28-08-2020 8:36pm

2K confirmed that the next gen version was rebuilt from the ground up. This could justify the copy, paste and reskin of the current gen version. Will be interesting to see what next gen offers.

Wuff Wuff · 28-08-2020 8:40pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

2K confirmed that the next gen version was rebuilt from the ground up. This could justify the copy, paste and reskin of the current gen version. Will be interesting to see what next gen offers.

They did that in 2k14 on the switch to ps4 didn't they,

I remember the ps4 game being much better than the ps3

Zero-Cool · 29-08-2020 6:02am

Wuff Wuff wrote: »

They did that in 2k14 on the switch to ps4 didn't they,

I remember the ps4 game being much better than the ps3

I never played the ps3 version, waited for the ps4 version which was a huge jump over previous games alright. Dev said park progress in current gen won't cross over to next gen as there is no beach, they have something new and crazy for that. Hhmmmm riddled with VC no doubt but I'm interested to see what they have going on.

Potential-Monke · 29-08-2020 9:05am

I finally finished my Rookie season (PlayOff champs!) after playing the full season, so I reckon I'm done with 2K20 for now. Won't bother with 2K21 for a while, but I'd imagine I'll pick it up just to have a "proper" PS5 game. No doubt still riddled with MTX so will probably wait for it to drop in price too.

01-09-2020 10:46am

Zero-Cool wrote: »

2K confirmed that the next gen version was rebuilt from the ground up. This could justify the copy, paste and reskin of the current gen version. Will be interesting to see what next gen offers.

I was looking into it yesterday and while the upgrade price seems significant I'll probably go for it.

Theres two Mamba versions, one gives you the basic Xbox/Upgrade XBX and the other vice versa.
I'll only be playing the XB1 version for a few months so I'll get the upgraded Xbox Series X version and the 100k VC will help to get a decent guy out of the box.

If I was to buy them separate it will cost more, with the Mamba edition you'll have a physical disc to sell in November(should net e40) and a digital copy of the new version.

I was pondering using the Brazilian store for £60 but theres no resell value, whereas with the disc version at e100 it basically evens out, despite a higher outlay.
I'll check again to see can Gamestop be beat at e100 but not even Amazon had the Mamba edition, so i might have to pay that.

Zero-Cool · 01-09-2020 11:02am

gilberto_eire wrote: »

I was looking into it yesterday and while the upgrade price seems significant I'll probably go for it.

Theres two Mamba versions, one gives you the basic Xbox/Upgrade XBX and the other vice versa.
I'll only be playing the XB1 version for a few months so I'll get the upgraded Xbox Series X version and the 100k VC will help to get a decent guy out of the box.

If I was to buy them separate it will cost more, with the Mamba edition you'll have a physical disc to sell in November(should net e40) and a digital copy of the new version.

I was pondering using the Brazilian store for £60 but theres no resell value, whereas with the disc version at e100 it basically evens out for despite a higher outlay.
I'll check to see can Gamestop be beat at e100 but not even Amazon have that Mamba edition so i might have to pay that.

I would do this as well if I was absolutely guaranteed that I wouldn't need the physical disk to play the Next Gen version. Apparently it will come with a code to download the next gen version but if it ends up also requiring the disk, I would just wait for next Gen.

Also, the VC wallet carries over so if you don't spend the 100k vc you get for current gen, you will have 200kvc and whatever else you earn to use on next gen.

Zero-Cool · 01-09-2020 6:14pm

Scott O'Gallagher, who left EA NBA Live in 2014 to join NBA 2K dev team is now making the move back to EA. Wonder will we be seeing an NBA Live on next gen next year.

01-09-2020 6:24pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I would do this as well if I was absolutely guaranteed that I wouldn't need the physical disk to play the Next Gen version. Apparently it will come with a code to download the next gen version but if it ends up also requiring the disk, I would just wait for next Gen.

Also, the VC wallet carries over so if you don't spend the 100k vc you get for current gen, you will have 200kvc and whatever else you earn to use on next gen.

Wonder is that a mistake.

Its saying you get 200k buying the expanded XB1 version.
But 100k the other way.

It makes no sense to have 4 versions if that's the case. From what I was reading last night you were deciding where you wanted the 100k and the opposite version was the standard with 5k.

01-09-2020 6:44pm

Did some more digging and it's not a mistake. I did some reading last night and took it to be that you were picking which console to get 100k.

Well it's a no brainer which one to get so.

Thanks for that as I was going to buy the next gen Mamba version.

Zero-Cool · 01-09-2020 7:21pm

gilberto_eire wrote: »

Did some more digging and it's not a mistake. I did some reading last night and took it to be that you were picking which console to get 100k.

Well it's a no brainer which one to get so.

Thanks for that as I was going to buy the next gen Mamba version.

Ah ok yeah, it's very confusing alright. Current gen mamba gets you 100k on current and 100k on next gen gen but the wallets are also shared across gen. Mamba next gen only gives you 100k next gen and the current gen version only when next gen is released which is a bit pointless.

Did some digging today and if you buy current gen mamba, you get a code in the box for the next gen download so it doesn't look like you need the disk. I wouldn't put it past 2k to be dicks and make you still need the disk but as the career and park are supposed to be completely different next gen, they say it's like 2 different games so unlikely to need current gen disk to play next gen digital.

Jesus it's confusing. Anyway, yeah very tempted to get current mamba for 100 at Gamestop and sell it for 30-40 when next gen arrives instead of paying 80 for next gen standard.

Zero-Cool · 01-09-2020 8:01pm

On the record, i feel dirty as **** for even thinking about the mamba edition, never mind buying it at launch but the way 2k14 was such a jump on ps4, i know I'm only gonna want to buy it on ps5 and that 80 price tag is ****ing steep for the base edition. That's what I'm telling myself anyway *hangs head in shame*.

Potential-Monke · 02-09-2020 5:52pm

Confusing is the word... all I want to know is if I get PS4 2k21, will my MyCareer player cross over? I've no interest in any of the rest of it.

Zero-Cool · 02-09-2020 5:54pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Confusing is the word... all I want to know is if I get PS4 2k21, will my MyCareer player cross over? I've no interest in any of the rest of it.

Luckily that's a simple answer, No, career does not cross over as they said career mode and park are completely different. My Team and VC carry over alright, not sure about the other modes

Zero-Cool · 02-09-2020 9:15pm

I still dunno what to do about this. I don't really have any desire to play the current gen. Will be nice to move over my My Team to next gen but my career is my main go to which I'll be dumping after 2-3 months for next gen anyway so any vc i put into it will be wasted. If i don't put in vc and save it for next gen, career is gonna be a pain.

I suppose i don't have to get it launch anyway, wait for user reviews this weekend.

02-09-2020 9:37pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I still dunno what to do about this. I don't really have any desire to play the current gen. Will be nice to move over my My Team to next gen but my career is my main go to which I'll be dumping after 2-3 months for next gen anyway so any vc i put into it will be wasted. If i don't put in vc and save it for next gen, career is gonna be a pain.

I suppose i don't have to get it launch anyway, wait for user reviews this weekend.

Gamestop have no available stock.

I asked him could I get it online, the site shows you cant collect in store but shows for online and he reckoned they didnt have enough stock and I couldn't get it there.

That was around 6 but it's still showing on the website.

The guy is working there for years, so youd think he would know what he's saying.

I cant pay for it until Friday so I'll try order then or else I'll buy it from the Brazil store for £60.

In terms of the career, for very little of that 100k you could start a player off and use the VC earned in games to further boost, then when the next gen is close the VC is banked.
We have two full months of this game, the other could get delayed. Consoles pushed. Might as well just enjoy what's available as who knows what could happen.

I'm not following release dates and console updates like I used to but my understanding is the consoles still have neither prices nor release dates and ditto that for the NBA game, so theres no guarantee they'll hit in two months(Covid too obviously).

I'll use 20k to start a player off, I wont build more than one and he'll be useable in mid 80s fairly quickly and ill bank the VC again when the upgrades start costing 1000k each.

Zero-Cool · 02-09-2020 9:46pm

Bollox, the mamba edition is no longer available for ps4 on their website. I'll check with my local gs tomorrow but if i can't get it physically, I'm gonna leave it.

Potential-Monke · 02-09-2020 9:57pm

I was gonna ask the question, but seeing as the above post indicates that the Mamba edition is getting hard to get, it may not matter. If I got the cross gen edition, with 100k VC for now and another 100k when next gen drops, I could just keep the initial 100k and have 200k to use on a character in MyCareer? Or are they somehow locking the 100k current gen?

To be honest, I probably won't get this at all until next gen, and even then it'll be a purchase just to have a next gen game I reckon, so will most likely wait for a price reduction. Again, no interest on any of the online parts of it, just the MyCareer.

Zero-Cool · 02-09-2020 10:10pm

All vc can crossover to next gen so you could save it and have 200k on next gen with whatever else you build up.

Potential-Monke · 02-09-2020 10:14pm

Hmmmm.... As was said above, I feel dirty for considering buying this at full price.

Zero-Cool · 03-09-2020 9:42am

Some career / Park videos on youtube as servers are up. Looks like you'll need 200k VC to max your character (I think at 85). IIRC, it was 160k VC last year but could be wrong. The beach is a nice backdrop but gameplay looks exact same, same park rep rewards as well, real copy and paste. I watched a bit of a live streamer play career and he was horrible. Trying to defend just whoever had the ball, forcing shots and kept losing the ball, F teammate grade...in highschool! Had to turn it off.

If I can't get mamba edition, I'm gonna wait until next gen.

Zero-Cool · 03-09-2020 1:10pm

Both of my local GS's won't have PS4 Mamba edition. One said they just got 2 copies and both prebooked. Definitely not going digital with it so will just keep an eye if Mamba edition comes back into stock. Looks like it will be all Tony Hawk's this weekend.

v3ttel · 03-09-2020 3:51pm

The whole thing is an absolute cluster.

Only offering the next gen upgrade with a specific, incredibly expensive version is bad form. Doing it exclusively through one bricks and mortar shop is also bad form, and now they don't even have enough stock to service demand by the sounds of it. No option to trade it back in if you want to pick it up on day one. Then again, Gamestop would probably only offer 0.99c for a 2 month old "last gen" game, come November.

04-09-2020 1:11am

Just bought it on the Brazil store in the end. Between waiting to be paid and pondering what option to go(disc and wait until next week, credit or key) I just ended up buying it from the Brazil store for e75ish.

If I could buy the disc, I'd have paid the e100 but I'm only losing maybe e15 more going to route and I can enjoy it for the weekend instead of getting it at whatever point Gamestop manage to deliver it(if they even have it). Plus who knows what CEX will give cash for it when the new one launches.

Only installing now so no chance to get a game in tonight but itll be ready to go tomorrow evening.

NBA 2K21 / NBA Live 21

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