Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Eod100 · 27-08-2020 10:44AM

Not to go all Hogan but anyone know why not being referred for a test result by GP means you have to self isolate for 14 days but being referred and getting a negative test result means you don't? Surely the 14 says still applies with negative test? Unless I've missed something obvious!

27-08-2020 10:45AM

Ineedaname wrote: »

I agree. But it also depends on why she lied. If she knew and didn't care then absolutely throw the book at her. But if its a case for instance that she was genuinely in fear of losing her job then that situation shouldn't be allowed to happen.

Why would she think she’d lose her job?

27-08-2020 10:48AM

Sorry Seamus

spookwoman · 27-08-2020 10:48AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Why would she think she’d lose her job?

Exactly this thing of oh she was afraid she would loose her job is bull, you cannot be fired for getting sick!

UsBus · 27-08-2020 10:51AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Not to go all Hogan but anyone know why not being referred for a test result by GP means you have to self isolate for 14 days but being referred and getting a negative test result means you don't? Surely the 14 says still applies with negative test? Unless I've missed something obvious!

I think that's exactly where Hogan fell down. He assumed once he tested negative that he was free do go anywhere. After leaving a high risk area, any symptoms he may have acquired could have taken up to 14 days to appear. I suspect he knew the requirement, but was floundering at that point.

expectationlost · 27-08-2020 10:53AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Care home staff members son tests positive from working in a meat plant and was contact traced August 12th, postive result Saturday 15th and didn't tell anyone in the nursing home until Monday 17th.

Since then a resident and a staff member tested postive

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1298875401935126534?s=19

along with making covid19 a notifiable disease by workplaces, should people be prosecuted for hiding it, and employees should be prosecuted if they punish people for getting it.

shinzon · 27-08-2020 10:54AM

And the hits just keep on coming

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-confirms-he-travelled-to-collect-clothes-in-lockdown-39482113.html

Taoiseach Micheál Martin has confirmed he visited his home in Cork city while using his holiday house in Courtmacsherry, around 50km away, as a base during lockdown restrictions in April.

Mr Martin said he called to his home to "pick up some clothes" after attending a charity event in Garryduff, not far from his house in Cork city.

This government gets more clownish with every passing day

Shin

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 10:56AM

seamus wrote: »

I was expressing exasperation at that woman, not at you

Spoke to someone last night about their relatives - two (married) pharmacists who were floored with this illness in May, but refused to get tested. Just stayed at home until they felt better and then went back to work.

Not only does it put others at risk, but it also undermines the test & tracing process.

We should probably look at adding a little more stick to the offer of a test. At the moment it's all carrot, and there's a clear proportion who are not engaging.

Them pharmacists who became unwell, its not ideal that they didn't test but they still did the right thing and isolated themselves. Testing plays a part but it doesnt change the course of an illness. Keeping close contacts low and isolation is key. The problem is there will be people who will refuse to isolate themselves and keep their close contacts low if they feel unwell or are a close contact of a confirmed case. Just rewriting the public health guidelines to suit themselves.

Ineedaname · 27-08-2020 10:58AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Why would she think she’d lose her job?

You'd have to ask her that.

I'm probably not getting my point across very well. Maybe she had a mortgage and ten kids to feed. It doesn't matter. She lied and put others at risk. I'm sure there are plenty others in that situation that made do so I've no sympathy at all.

But at the same time we should avoid situations where someone is discouraged from getting a test. People do stupid things when they're afraid.

JDD · 27-08-2020 10:58AM

seamus wrote: »

It would also require constant contact with the confirmed cases to find out how they're feeling today.

The majority of people who test positive will just go home for two weeks and won't need to go near a doctor or a hospital again for a year.

No I do realise this, but think about. Most people show symptoms within 5-7 days of infection, if they are going to show symptoms at all. Yes, some cases take longer to show symptoms, but they are in the minority - to be safe we've extended the isolation period to 14 days.

If you are going to catch it from someone, it'll be in the days before they show symptoms. So if you catch it on 1 August, and your close contact shows symptoms on 3 August, and then gets a test on 5 August, with the results on 7 August, and then contact tracing catches you on 8 August, and you go for a test on 10 August - it's highly likely that if you are going to show symptoms you'll have them at that point.

They could just say X amount of cases were asymptomatic at the time of testing, but caveat that for some people symptoms may not have shown up until after testing.

Ineedaname · 27-08-2020 10:59AM

spookwoman wrote: »

Exactly this thing of oh she was afraid she would loose her job is bull, you cannot be fired for getting sick!

Yes. You can

JDD · 27-08-2020 11:01AM

shinzon wrote: »

And the hits just keep on coming

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-confirms-he-travelled-to-collect-clothes-in-lockdown-39482113.html

This government gets more clownish with every passing day

Shin

Ohhhh jaysus. Well, that's the end for this government. I'd say we'll have an election before Hallowe'en.

EDIT: actually having read the article - it's not that bad. He was near his house for essential work anyway, and then returned to Dublin for essential work. Stopping off to pick up clothes when you had already travelled to the area for essential work is much more acceptable then just deciding to do a 100k round trip solely to get clothes, which is what the headline indicates.

27-08-2020 11:02AM

shinzon wrote: »

And the hits just keep on coming

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-confirms-he-travelled-to-collect-clothes-in-lockdown-39482113.html

This government gets more clownish with every passing day

Shin

Ah who cares, stop the faux outrage

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 11:04AM

The care worker and the son

I wonder would this be a family working from a direction provision centre?
Maybe there is a barrier to understanding the English language.
Or maybe its another case of not getting paid appropriately or being on the books and perhaps not allowed the COVID sick payment.

A lot of questions need to be asked here.

seamus · 27-08-2020 11:04AM

Eod100 wrote: »

Not to go all Hogan but anyone know why not being referred for a test result by GP means you have to self isolate for 14 days but being referred and getting a negative test result means you don't? Surely the 14 says still applies with negative test? Unless I've missed something obvious!

I think the process is a bit more nuanced than that. They make sure the test is carried out a certain number of days after you've been in contact; in effect to give time for the virus to develop if you have been exposed.
So if I meet John on Monday, and he tests positive on Wednesday, then if I get tested the following Tuesday and it's negative, the statistics say that I'm unlikely to test positive after that.
I will (should) have been told I was a contact on Thursday or Friday, so I will have to self-isolate until my test the following Tuesday.

shinzon wrote: »

And the hits just keep on coming

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-confirms-he-travelled-to-collect-clothes-in-lockdown-39482113.html

This government gets more clownish with every passing day

Shin

I wouldn't put this in the same class as Hogan tbf. Taken at face value what he did was strictly a breach of the rules, but I wouldn't consider it a reckless breach if he literally went in, grabbed some clothes and left again. The purpose of the restrictions was to prevent people mixing, and (on face value), Martin stuck to that. He was legitimately at an event, dropped into his Cork city house on his way past to collect some stuff. I'm not going to vilify him for that.

spookwoman · 27-08-2020 11:04AM

Ineedaname wrote: »

Yes. You can

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/fair_grounds_for_dismissal.html
You can be fired for
Your employer could give one or more of the following reasons for your dismissal:

Capability
This includes issues such as lateness, absenteeism and persistent absence through illness or injury, either short-term or long-term.

If lateness or absenteeism is at issue, your employer will be expected to have documentary proof of this allegation, such as clocking-in records or documented absences on file that are not medically certified. In addition, your employer will also be expected to show that you were made aware of the problem and that you were warned as to the consequences for your continued employment.

But you have to have good reason otherwise you can bring a claim for unfair dismissal against your employer

Getting covid would not be fair grounds for dismissal.

Jim_Hodge · 27-08-2020 11:05AM

shinzon wrote: »

And the hits just keep on coming

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/taoiseach-confirms-he-travelled-to-collect-clothes-in-lockdown-39482113.html

This government gets more clownish with every passing day

Shin

Hardly a cause for outrage. Seems a legit movement to me.

Eod100 · 27-08-2020 11:13AM

UsBus wrote: »

I think that's exactly where Hogan fell down. He assumed once he tested negative that he was free do go anywhere. After leaving a high risk area, any symptoms he may have acquired could have taken up to 14 days to appear. I suspect he knew the requirement, but was floundering at that point.

But he was different as he had travelled. I just meant generally for someone here

Ineedaname · 27-08-2020 11:13AM

spookwoman wrote: »

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/unemployment_and_redundancy/dismissal/fair_grounds_for_dismissal.html
You can be fired for
Your employer could give one or more of the following reasons for your dismissal:

Capability
This includes issues such as lateness, absenteeism and persistent absence through illness or injury, either short-term or long-term.

If lateness or absenteeism is at issue, your employer will be expected to have documentary proof of this allegation, such as clocking-in records or documented absences on file that are not medically certified. In addition, your employer will also be expected to show that you were made aware of the problem and that you were warned as to the consequences for your continued employment.

But you have to have good reason otherwise you can bring a claim for unfair dismissal against your employer

Getting covid would not be fair grounds for dismissal.

I didn't say it was.

screamer · 27-08-2020 11:21AM

Polar101 wrote: »

Seems overly harsh, if we introduced draconian measures like that, I doubt anyone would want to work in a care home setting again.

A more constructive approach might be to find out what went wrong, and how to prevent that from happening again.

Rubbish, if you knowingly put others in danger all bets are off. If you are asymptomatic and don’t know you have covid, that’s a different story.

mandrake04 · 27-08-2020 11:23AM

seamus wrote: »

I think the process is a bit more nuanced than that. They make sure the test is carried out a certain number of days after you've been in contact; in effect to give time for the virus to develop if you have been exposed.
So if I meet John on Monday, and he tests positive on Wednesday, then if I get tested the following Tuesday and it's negative, the statistics say that I'm unlikely to test positive after that.
I will (should) have been told I was a contact on Thursday or Friday, so I will have to self-isolate until my test the following Tuesday.

That's exactly right, you could be directly infected on the Monday and you probably test negative Tuesday & Wednesday.. maybe positive on Thursday if yo are well loaded... but more likely on Friday. By Sunday you should be showing symptoms if you are symptomatic.

You probably test positive a few days earlier if they took an Anal swab as the virus can be detected earlier in stool.

ninebeanrows · 27-08-2020 11:34AM

When do the beers get counted?

Funsterdelux · 27-08-2020 11:41AM

Sleety_Rain wrote: »

When do the beers get counted?

After the empties are cleared up

El Weirdo · 27-08-2020 12:12PM

mandrake04 wrote: »

You probably test positive a few days earlier if they took an Anal swab as the virus can be detected earlier in stool.

Are these an option?

*cough* *sniffle* *cough*

Asking for a friend.

Hector Savage · 27-08-2020 12:16PM

https://english.elpais.com/society/2020-08-27/hundreds-of-revelers-seen-without-face-masks-at-large-party-in-bar-restaurant-in-spain.html?autoplay=1

PERO BUENO!!!!

seamus · 27-08-2020 12:20PM

Goes to show that despite popular belief this behaviour isn't unique to trendy bars in Dublin.

penelope2012 · 27-08-2020 12:22PM

Agree

seamus wrote: »

Goes to show that despite popular belief this behaviour isn't unique to trendy bars in Dublin.

DebDynamite · 27-08-2020 12:31PM

Makes the scenes of the young ones dancing in their own taped-off squares in Berlin bar look almost innocent!

theballz · 27-08-2020 12:34PM

I can't see a single redeeming feature in Stephen Donnelly.

MD1990 · 27-08-2020 12:35PM

while some await news on the beers.

https://www.alcoholicsanonymous.ie/

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