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Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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  • #1892
    eigrod
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    Confirmed hospital cases has creeped up a little to 29. ICU still very low at 4.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing


  • #1893
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Onesea wrote: »
    Its like trying to plug holes in a bag leaking water. I know they have to try all the same.
    Im actually feeling positve for the first time since this started.

    I hope there's a law there or a new law is put into place to prevent others from doing the same and acting wrecklessly. The contact tracing is in place to hammer down on the virus and to curb the spread. The person was contact traced on the 12th of Aug and I presume she was asked to isolate. This is in case contracts the virus from her son and spreads it. It turns out, during the week that followed, its exactly what happened. She became infectious with the virus and spread it in her work. What that care worker did was careless and wreckless and highly negligent. Having nothing in law to prevent this scenario undermines the contract tracing element of this pandemic and is failing to keep the rest of us safe.


  • #1894
    Boggles
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    Happydays2020 wrote: »
    Then yesterday rather than a calming message that we were on top of things,

    So you think he should have lied on the Dáil record? Pretty sure you can't do that.

    The reality is instances of virus are only going one way at the moment, we still have head room IMO, but that could be gobbled up quite quickly give what is happening at the moment and will continue happen.

    Real life and real life decisions in terms of this virus cannot reflect some of the nonsense on thread.

    Sure 10 cases a day grand, 30 grand, 60, grand, 120 sure we are grand.

    There is a figure backed by a set of circumstances where we won't be grand.

    If the current tools and methods of control don't work or are not working, further tools will have to be introduced.

    That's a fact.


  • #1895
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Yup agree with you, seems to be a stigma still if you test postive.

    This sort of story doesn't help.
    The stigma in this story would be because she continued to work with vulnerable people after she found out she was infected, as opposed to because she caught the virus. And in that former case, any stigma and vitriol is wholly deserved.


  • #1896
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    This has to be gross misconduct
    Oh FFS. Some people.

    I wonder what level of guidance people are being given when they're being contacted. Are they being told of their obligation to isolate, to notify their employers?

    Though I expect the issue in most cases is either fear of not getting paid, or just general inertia. I've anecdotally heard of a number of people who clearly had a bad dose of covid and "just didn't want to get a test". I appreciate that some people have a psychological block and would rather not know what illnesses they have, but a bit of consideration for the rest of us wouldn't go amiss.
    eigrod wrote: »
    Confirmed hospital cases has creeped up a little to 29. ICU still very low at 4.

    https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing
    Lag time between being admitted and upgraded to ICU is 7-14 days. So I wouldn't expect to see any impact on ICU for a week or two. If you go to hospital your chances of being in ICU are just over 1 in 7, so of that 29, we could expect about 3-4 ICU admissions.

    So even if the hospital admission increases appear bad, relatively, the knock on effect to ICU (and deaths) will be small.


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  • #1897
    harr
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    I hope there's a law there or a new law is put into place to prevent others from doing the same and acting wrecklessly. The contact tracing is in place to hammer down on the virus and to curb the spread. The person was contact traced on the 12th of Aug and I presume she was asked to isolate. This is in case contracts the virus from her son and spreads it. It turns out, during the week that followed, its exactly what happened. She became infectious with the virus and spread it in her work. What that care worker did was careless and wreckless and highly negligent. Having nothing in law to prevent this scenario undermines the contract tracing element of this pandemic and is failing to keep the rest of us safe.
    If anyone in care home dies from this persons negligence she should be held fully accountable for that death.
    A lesson needs to made of this person and any high risk work environment should be automatically informed if an employee tests positive. Should not be left up to the employee.


  • #1898
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    owlbethere wrote: »
    The reason for contract tracing is to get close contacts of confirmed cases out of circulation from the population to prevent spread in case they too are a carrier of the virus.

    Is there anything in legislation to stop people from behaving in a similar way to this case going forward?

    I’ve no idea. But she should lose her job.


  • #1899
    Polar101
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    harr wrote: »
    If anyone in care home dies from this persons negligence she should be held fully accountable for that death.
    A lesson needs to made of this person and any high risk work environment should be automatically informed if an employee tests positive. Should not be left up to the employee.

    Seems overly harsh, if we introduced draconian measures like that, I doubt anyone would want to work in a care home setting again.

    A more constructive approach might be to find out what went wrong, and how to prevent that from happening again.


  • #1900
    eigrod
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    seamus wrote: »
    Oh FFS. Some people.

    I wonder what level of guidance people are being given when they're being contacted. Are they being told of their obligation to isolate, to notify their employers?

    Though I expect the issue in most cases is either fear of not getting paid, or just general inertia. I've anecdotally heard of a number of people who clearly had a bad dose of covid and "just didn't want to get a test". I appreciate that some people have a psychological block and would rather not know what illnesses they have, but a bit of consideration for the rest of us wouldn't go amiss.

    Lag time between being admitted and upgraded to ICU is 7-14 days. So I wouldn't expect to see any impact on ICU for a week or two. If you go to hospital your chances of being in ICU are just over 1 in 7, so of that 29, we could expect about 3-4 ICU admissions.

    So even if the hospital admission increases appear bad, relatively, the knock on effect to ICU (and deaths) will be small.

    True, but remember that some of that 29 will already have been in hospital for 7-14 days so even 3-4 may be overestimating.


  • #1901
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    I wonder if Simple Simon will be as crude in his remarks when asked about big phil now and the 81 simpletons who though highly educated and representative of an elite section of society could not handle simple arithmetic and geometry.

    is that just phil Hogans finger or a chorus of 81 middle fingers there Simon?
    when the underclasses do it, it's a middle finger, when the uppers do it, it's disappointing!

    https://twitter.com/SimonHarrisTD/status/1294929138625716224 :rolleyes:


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  • #1902
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    seamus wrote: »
    Oh FFS. Some people.

    Some people?

    If I get a call that I am a close contact of a positive case then I’m going for a test. Until the results of that test come back I’m isolating. And that doesn’t mean a few days lost pay, that means pulling in outside resources to take over my role of caring for a man that can’t care for himself.

    I’ve had to think of a backup plan on a “what if” scenario since February. The carers that come to the house have had to think of their own “what if” backups too.

    If a woman who works in a nursing home and after all the deaths that have happened in that environment so far CAN NOT see what jeopardy she put those in her care in, then she shouldn’t be in that job!


  • #1903
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    harr wrote: »
    If anyone in care home dies from this persons negligence she should be held fully accountable for that death.
    A lesson needs to made of this person and any high risk work environment should be automatically informed if an employee tests positive. Should not be left up to the employee.

    The danger there is that would just discourage people from getting tested in the first place which would be an even worse problem.


  • #1904
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I hope there's a law there or a new law is put into place to prevent others from doing the same and acting wrecklessly. The contact tracing is in place to hammer down on the virus and to curb the spread. The person was contact traced on the 12th of Aug and I presume she was asked to isolate. This is in case contracts the virus from her son and spreads it. It turns out, during the week that followed, its exactly what happened. She became infectious with the virus and spread it in her work. What that care worker did was careless and wreckless and highly negligent. Having nothing in law to prevent this scenario undermines the contract tracing element of this pandemic and is failing to keep the rest of us safe.

    Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel? I can.


  • #1905
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    Ineedaname wrote: »
    The danger there is that would just discourage people from getting tested in the first place which would be an even worse problem.

    If she didn’t know she had been exposed or hadn’t needed a test, I would have sympathy. But she did.

    Anyone who lies (or hides the truth) is a c unt


  • #1906
    Bubbaclaus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭Bubbaclaus


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Seems overly harsh, if we introduced draconian measures like that, I doubt anyone would want to work in a care home setting again.

    A more constructive approach might be to find out what went wrong, and how to prevent that from happening again.

    Or else just have a nationwide witch hunt for their sacking, as is all the rage these days.


  • #1907
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Boggles wrote: »
    So you think he should have lied on the Dáil record? Pretty sure you can't do that.

    The reality is instances of virus are only going one way at the moment, we still have head room IMO, but that could be gobbled up quite quickly give what is happening at the moment and will continue happen.

    Real life and real life decisions in terms of this virus cannot reflect some of the nonsense on thread.

    Sure 10 cases a day grand, 30 grand, 60, grand, 120 sure we are grand.

    There is a figure backed by a set of circumstances where we won't be grand.

    If the current tools and methods of control don't work or are not working, further tools will have to be introduced.

    That's a fact.

    Spain cases have gone up alot.. Icu hasn't followed suit.


  • #1908
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    Ineedaname wrote: »
    The danger there is that would just discourage people from getting tested in the first place which would be an even worse problem.

    How so? Testing is starting to look like a waste of time.. Or maybe we should wait three weeks to see if icu numbers increase,, and then keep waiting a few more weeks just to be sure...

    The stabilizers have to be taken off the bike.


  • #1909
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    harr wrote: »
    If anyone in care home dies from this persons negligence she should be held fully accountable for that death.
    A lesson needs to made of this person and any high risk work environment should be automatically informed if an employee tests positive. Should not be left up to the employee.

    Cue nobody in Ireland ever wanting to work a low paid job in a nursing home ever again.


  • #1910
    dalyboy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,490 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    owlbethere wrote: »
    I hope there's a law there or a new law is put into place to prevent others from doing the same and acting wrecklessly. The contact tracing is in place to hammer down on the virus and to curb the spread. The person was contact traced on the 12th of Aug and I presume she was asked to isolate. This is in case contracts the virus from her son and spreads it. It turns out, during the week that followed, its exactly what happened. She became infectious with the virus and spread it in her work. What that care worker did was careless and wreckless and highly negligent. Having nothing in law to prevent this scenario undermines the contract tracing element of this pandemic and is failing to keep the rest of us safe.

    chinese social credit system ? Here we come (welcome to 1984)


  • #1911
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    seamus wrote: »
    Oh FFS. Some people.

    I wonder what level of guidance people are being given when they're being contacted. Are they being told of their obligation to isolate, to notify their employers?

    Though I expect the issue in most cases is either fear of not getting paid, or just general inertia. I've anecdotally heard of a number of people who clearly had a bad dose of covid and "just didn't want to get a test". I appreciate that some people have a psychological block and would rather not know what illnesses they have, but a bit of consideration for the rest of us wouldn't go amiss.

    Lag time between being admitted and upgraded to ICU is 7-14 days. So I wouldn't expect to see any impact on ICU for a week or two. If you go to hospital your chances of being in ICU are just over 1 in 7, so of that 29, we could expect about 3-4 ICU admissions.

    So even if the hospital admission increases appear bad, relatively, the knock on effect to ICU (and deaths) will be small.

    This is a screenshot from the covid app. What to do if you are identified as a close contact. I would presume contact tracers work of the same hymn sheet.


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  • #1912
    JDD
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    I wish when they release numbers each day - 71, 150, 120 new cases - whatever that may be, they would publish how many of those cases were asymptomatic. That way we would have some indication of how many of those cases will end up in the health system. There's no need for panic if we have 200 new cases in a day, if 50 of those were asymptomatic, and another hundred are under 45. Unlikely that any of those will end up in hospital.

    Until the average age of infections starts increasing (and I don't believe it has over the past month?), I think there's no need to panic even if we had 500/600 new cases a day. Most of them will be from mass testing factories, and the simple fact is that factories tend to have immigrants working in them, who don't have elderly parents here to pass it on to.


  • #1913
    KrustyUCC
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    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Care home staff members son tests positive from working in a meat plant and was contact traced August 12th, postive result Saturday 15th and didn't tell anyone in the nursing home until Monday 17th.

    Since then a resident and a staff member tested postive

    https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1298875401935126534?s=19

    That person was very very reckless

    Not a good look


  • #1914
    owlbethere
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    AdamD wrote: »
    Cue nobody in Ireland ever wanting to work a low paid job in a nursing home ever again.

    It's not so much down to the job. To some degree it does play a part because of work in a care home and vulnerable people. The issue here is that person was contact traced and identified as a close contact. I presume the contact tracers informed her of the need to isolate. She ignored that and continued her daily routine of attending to work and in the meantime she became infectious with the virus and spread it to others in her workplace.


  • #1915
    What Username Guidelines
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    JDD wrote: »
    I wish when they release numbers each day - 71, 150, 120 new cases - whatever that may be, they would publish how many of those cases were asymptomatic. That way we would have some indication of how many of those cases will end up in the health system. There's no need for panic if we have 200 new cases in a day, if 50 of those were asymptomatic, and another hundred are under 45. Unlikely that any of those will end up in hospital.

    Until the average age of infections starts increasing (and I don't believe it has over the past month?), I think there's no need to panic even if we had 500/600 new cases a day. Most of them will be from mass testing factories, and the simple fact is that factories tend to have immigrants working in them, who don't have elderly parents here to pass it on to.

    They don’t even need to give us that granular detail, I mean it may help stem some anxiety in the general public, but what we really need is that info available to those that are forming policy based on it. And not Donnelly going around with his finger on the “nationwide lockdown” trigger, based purely on the total case number.


  • #1916
    Ineedaname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Ineedaname


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    If she didn’t know she had been exposed or hadn’t needed a test, I would have sympathy. But she did.

    Anyone who lies (or hides the truth) is a c unt

    I agree. But it also depends on why she lied. If she knew and didn't care then absolutely throw the book at her. But if its a case for instance that she was genuinely in fear of losing her job then that situation shouldn't be allowed to happen.


  • #1917
    owlbethere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,329 ✭✭✭owlbethere


    Polar101 wrote: »
    Seems overly harsh, if we introduced draconian measures like that, I doubt anyone would want to work in a care home setting again.

    A more constructive approach might be to find out what went wrong, and how to prevent that from happening again.

    The only thing that went wrong is someone rewriting the public health guidelines to suit themselves.


  • #1918
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    Onesea wrote: »
    Can you see the light at the end of the tunnel? I can.
    It's the headlamp of an oncoming train.


  • #1919
    Ficheall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,038 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    JDD wrote: »
    I wish when they release numbers each day - 71, 150, 120 new cases - whatever that may be, they would publish how many of those cases were asymptomatic. That way we would have some indication of how many of those cases will end up in the health system. There's no need for panic if we have 200 new cases in a day, if 50 of those were asymptomatic, and another hundred are under 45. Unlikely that any of those will end up in hospital.
    They can't know if a case is asymptomatic or presymptomatic though. How often do you want to be updated on a case's status?
    "Seven cases reported as asymptomatic on Tuesday have been upgraded to f*cked."


  • #1920
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »
    Some people?
    I was expressing exasperation at that woman, not at you :D

    Spoke to someone last night about their relatives - two (married) pharmacists who were floored with this illness in May, but refused to get tested. Just stayed at home until they felt better and then went back to work.

    Not only does it put others at risk, but it also undermines the test & tracing process.

    We should probably look at adding a little more stick to the offer of a test. At the moment it's all carrot, and there's a clear proportion who are not engaging.


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  • #1921
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Ficheall wrote: »
    They can't know if a case is asymptomatic or presymptomatic though. How often do you want to be updated on a case's status?
    "Seven cases reported as asymptomatic on Tuesday have been upgraded to f*cked."
    It would also require constant contact with the confirmed cases to find out how they're feeling today.

    The majority of people who test positive will just go home for two weeks and won't need to go near a doctor or a hospital again for a year.


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