Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

US2 · 27-08-2020 02:59AM

Any source on 70% of nurses getting the flu jab?

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 02:59AM

Polar101 wrote: »

I agree that it will take a lot more cases than what we have now to even become a problem for the hospital system. But there is no way to say for certain, or even with "reasonable level of confidence" how many more that would be, and I wouldn't want to say the case numbers need to be "massive, massive" before there is a problem. The healthcare system gets busy enough even without Covid-19 cases.

This...
We are heading into busy season now without Covid.
Yes, cases appear to be less ill, so far , as we are testing and picking up asymptomatic cases now, and with social distancing , masks and everyone on board with hygiene measures hopefully will be a slower burn than March and we will not get swamped in hospitals .
To be honest that doesn't take much at this time of year, but a lot of measures that have been introduced have meant that although access isn't as free it is moving now again .
I think if the continued rise in cases goes on it will inevitably lead to more cases in hospital and ICU , but hopefully in a more controlled manner and not exponential.
I don't think the virus is weaker , just spread is controlled and to perhaps less vulnerable .

Goldengirl · 27-08-2020 03:04AM

US2 wrote: »

Source ?

WIN magazine but can't post now ( World of Irish Nursing )

27-08-2020 07:26AM

Goldengirl wrote: »

Yes , agree with most of this .

However it does not take into account the fact that the number 21 has gone down and up over the last week with people being admitted and discharged , so unless you have length of stay of individuals you are only estimating an overall number of 21 ...ie. there are possibly more as some people may have been hospitalised for 3 or 4 days , some for a week .
That is a number that they should give really ..how many were hospitalized in a week or los ( length of stay )

He was summing daily admissions

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2020 07:53AM

What do you make of this move.... would certainly cut our daily cases way down..

C.D.C. Now Says People Without Covid-19 Symptoms Do Not Need Testing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/health/covid-19-testing-cdc.html

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:05AM

Care home staff members son tests positive from working in a meat plant and was contact traced August 12th, postive result Saturday 15th and didn't tell anyone in the nursing home until Monday 17th.

Since then a resident and a staff member tested postive

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1298875401935126534?s=19

Happydays2020 · 27-08-2020 08:11AM

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

I think this too- anyone who got a test during the peak were symptomatic; they had a fever along with another respiratory symptom
I can’t remember what our daily cases were daily in the peak but say if it was 500 cases- those 500 for the main part were already showing significant symptoms.
How many ‘mild’ or asymptomatic cases weren’t picked up over that period?

Not only that but there were people who were out sick with it but not sick enough for hospital who could not get a test. The whole thing about sense of smell was not in the early symptoms. Bottom line we have learned a huge amount (and are still learning) about this disease since February.

My objective is to stay as safe as possible while maintaining as a close as possible a normal life. I would like more information of the outbreaks within Dublin though.

Happydays2020 · 27-08-2020 08:13AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Care home staff members son tests positive from working in a meat plant and was contact traced August 12th, postive result Saturday 15th and didn't tell anyone in the nursing home until Monday 17th.

Since then a resident and a staff member tested postive

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1298875401935126534?s=19

This is a result of the demonising that has been going on. That ESRI survey which indicated a perception that it was someone’s own fault if they catch it is deeply worrying. Glynn to be fair has been trying to knock this, but then you have Donnelly making his threats.

mirrorwall14 · 27-08-2020 08:15AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Care home staff members son tests positive from working in a meat plant and was contact traced August 12th, postive result Saturday 15th and didn't tell anyone in the nursing home until Monday 17th.

Since then a resident and a staff member tested postive

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1298875401935126534?s=19

Oh good Jesus

Happydays2020 · 27-08-2020 08:18AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do you make of this move.... would certainly cut our daily cases way down..

C.D.C. Now Says People Without Covid-19 Symptoms Do Not Need Testing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/health/covid-19-testing-cdc.html

I would say not good. We need to be testing in the community to know the prevalence. But we also need to have a perception shift in respect to the meaning of those numbers. To be fair I think NPHET are looking at a series of metrics to evaluate the risk and the messaging from them in recent days has been to try to nuance the daily numbers and especially mama gage expectations with schools plus they now clearly realise a zero Covid strategy will not work.

Meanwhile Donnelly wants to frighten the ****e out of everyone.

27-08-2020 08:19AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

What do you make of this move.... would certainly cut our daily cases way down..

C.D.C. Now Says People Without Covid-19 Symptoms Do Not Need Testing

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/25/health/covid-19-testing-cdc.html

Already been discussed as to why, it's an election year

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/26/politics/cdc-coronavirus-testing-guidance/index.html

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:19AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

This is a result of the demonising that has been going on. That ESRI survey which indicated a perception that it was someone’s own fault if they catch it is deeply worrying. Glynn to be fair has been trying to knock this, but then you have Donnelly making his threats.

Yup agree with you, seems to be a stigma still if you test postive.

This sort of story doesn't help.

Glynn as you say has been trying to stamp it out but the clown of a health minister is doing him no favours

normanoffside · 27-08-2020 08:21AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

This is a result of the demonising that has been going on. That ESRI survey which indicated a perception that it was someone’s own fault if they catch it is deeply worrying. Glynn to be fair has been trying to knock this, but then you have Donnelly making his threats.

I agree here. Donnelly is completely not fit for purpose and it would be best for all if he just disappeared.

Boggles · 27-08-2020 08:27AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Glynn as you say has been trying to stamp it out but the clown of a health minister is doing him no favours

What did the Health Minister do or say to stigmatize people?

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:34AM

Boggles wrote: »

What did the Health Minister do or say to stigmatize people?

Where did I say he stigmatised people?

What was implied was that Glynn is doing is best to get on top of everything that includes stamping out the stigma, he has to do it literally every press briefing.

The Donnelly part was a general statement as to how he is doing Glynn no favours in any area. If you watch yesterday's committee they were saying the opposite of each other at times. Completely undermines Glynn

drunkmonkey · 27-08-2020 08:36AM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

I would say not good. We need to be testing in the community to know the prevalence. But we also need to have a perception shift in respect to the meaning of those numbers. To be fair I think NPHET are looking at a series of metrics to evaluate the risk and the messaging from them in recent days has been to try to nuance the daily numbers and especially mama gage expectations with schools plus they now clearly realise a zero Covid strategy will not work.

Meanwhile Donnelly wants to frighten the ****e out of everyone.

Do we know how many asymptomatic go on to make people sick as in with symptoms, what was it 84 out of 87 in one of the meat factories were asymptomatic, they can't have spread it much or at all or we would have had huge clusters of sick people by now..

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:38AM

normanoffside wrote: »

I agree here. Donnelly is completely not fit for purpose and it would be best for all if he just disappeared.

He was well able to shout and roar from the sidelines but when in cabinet and in the dept he's done nothing but make a mess of it and a fool of himself with his interviews.

Whatever about the failings of the Dept of Health under Harris, he was a better communicator by a long distance

Boggles · 27-08-2020 08:44AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Where did I say he stigmatised people?

You say Glynn was trying to stamp it out but Donnelly was doing him no favours in that regard.

What else is one to reasonably infer from that statement?

What did Donnelly say yesterday that offended you so much that he deserves the label of a clown?

stephenjmcd · 27-08-2020 08:51AM

Boggles wrote: »

You say Glynn was trying to stamp it out but Donnelly was doing him no favours in that regard.

What else is one to reasonably infer from that statement?

What did Donnelly say yesterday that offended you so much that he deserves the label of a clown?

Infer it whatever way you feel like but the way you infer is was wrong simple as. I did not say in that regard, you simply took up the statement in a way that it was not intended.

And again I'm talking about his whole time since becoming health minister as you'll see from my other posts, not just yesterday. Your assuming that comment stems from yesterday, it does not. His actual comments though yesterday left an awful lot to be desired.

I would ask if you think he's doing a good job ? But I'm sure you'll disagree with whatever I say as per.

Any person who compares the dangers of covid to a trampoline or a car is a clown in my opinion.

We'll agree to disagree I'm sure

Boggles · 27-08-2020 09:01AM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I would ask if you think he's doing a good job ?

Specific to the pandemic he seems to be following the advice from NPHET.

Or do you think he isn't?

Hospitalizations are stable and ICU admission are low.

On those 2 most important factors then yes he is doing a good job, daft statements about trampolines or this is the 19th Covid aside.

What metric do you think he should judged on regarding job performance?

Happydays2020 · 27-08-2020 09:14AM

Boggles wrote: »

Specific to the pandemic he seems to be following the advice from NPHET.

Or do you think he isn't?

Hospitalizations are stable and ICU admission are low.

On those 2 most important factors then yes he is doing a good job, daft statements about trampolines or this is the 19th Covid aside.

What metric do you think he should judged on regarding job performance?

In my opinion, he has been less than sure footed, and rather than been a calming presence he is trying to assert himself and make himself prominent in his new job. I think everyone agrees the Cabinet meeting last Tuesday was a mess - it was untimely him who called that meeting. Then yesterday rather than a calming message that we were on top of things, my impression was that he was a little bit too obsessed with the stick. So no, I do not think he is doing a good job and I think that Glynn is looking stronger by the day.

D.Q · 27-08-2020 09:15AM

Boggles wrote: »

Specific to the pandemic he seems to be following the advice from NPHET.

Or do you think he isn't?

Hospitalizations are stable and ICU admission are low.

On those 2 most important factors then yes he is doing a good job, daft statements about trampolines or this is the 19th Covid aside.

What metric do you think he should judged on regarding job performance?

Making statements threatening to lock down the whole country again isn't particularly helpful when like you say, hospitalizations are stable and ICU admissions are low.

froog · 27-08-2020 09:19AM

Boggles wrote: »

Specific to the pandemic he seems to be following the advice from NPHET.

Or do you think he isn't?

Hospitalizations are stable and ICU admission are low.

On those 2 most important factors then yes he is doing a good job, daft statements about trampolines or this is the 19th Covid aside.

What metric do you think he should judged on regarding job performance?

Communication is his main job and in that he has been awful.

27-08-2020 09:23AM

This has to be gross misconduct

The worker took the Covid test on Wednesday, August 12. She had been contact-traced by the HSE after her son, a meat factory worker, had proved positive for the virus.

It is understood the care worker was informed of her positive result three days later, on Saturday 15, while she was working a weekend shift providing full-time care for the two residents of the home, including the elderly lady.

Sources have confirmed that the worker did not inform her manager of the test results - and continued working until her shift ended on the Sunday.

The issue only came to light the following day, on Monday 17, when the worker was contacted by her manager and asked to work overtime.

It is understood that the employee said she was unable to, as a relative had tested positive for coronavirus, but she did not inform her manager of her own test result

Boggles · 27-08-2020 09:30AM

froog wrote: »

Communication is his main job and in that he has been awful.

No it isn't.

His main job as minister for health during a once in a lifetime pandemic is solely to keep emergency care from collapsing.

As for saying we are at a crossroads and we could be looking at national restrictions.

We quite simply are. He didn't lick that off a rock, he was told that by public health officials.

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 09:41AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This has to be gross misconduct

That's negligence of the highest order. The guidelines are there for isolation to prevent spreading it to others. The care worker failed to do that. I presume she was mild or asymptomatic to continue to work but it shows asymptomatic or mild can still spread it.

owlbethere · 27-08-2020 09:44AM

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

This has to be gross misconduct

The reason for contract tracing is to get close contacts of confirmed cases out of circulation from the population to prevent spread in case they too are a carrier of the virus.

Is there anything in legislation to stop people from behaving in a similar way to this case going forward?

wadacrack · 27-08-2020 09:45AM

https://twitter.com/AdamJKucharski/status/1298902546271133696

Interesting looking at at Ireland. Our highest rate was 26.1% on April 20th.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&country=~IRL&positiveTestRate=true&interval=smoothed&perCapita=true&smoothing=7&pickerMetric=total_deaths&pickerSort=desc

Onesea · 27-08-2020 09:47AM

owlbethere wrote: »

The reason for contract tracing is to get close contacts of confirmed cases out of circulation from the population to prevent spread in case they too are a carrier of the virus.

Is there anything in legislation to stop people from behaving in a similar way to this case going forward?

Its like trying to plug holes in a bag leaking water. I know they have to try all the same.
Im actually feeling positve for the first time since this started.

Funsterdelux · 27-08-2020 09:52AM

Onesea wrote: »

Its like trying to plug holes in a bag leaking water. I know they have to try all the same.
Im actually feeling positve for the first time since this started.

You should contact your gp

:pac:

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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