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Cycling on paths and other cycling issues (updated title)

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  • #3422
    DoraDelite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Whether I know or not is NOT the point, the point is that if someone from the 2,641,590 (2013 CSO Figure, likely higher now and doesn't include EU or EEC licenses ) people in Ireland who held an Irish driving license came to Clontarf on their first trip, would they know that there was a cycle lane there, the answer is NO, because it isn't signposted as a cycle lane. That's the be all and end all of it and if you can't see the validity of that argument then it's not me who is blind or dim.

    It's quite clear from the markings that you repeatedly keep ignoring that it is a cycle path. Do you ignore all road markings as you drive about and expect everything to be signposted?


  • #3423
    Stark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,180 ✭✭✭✭Stark


    SeanW wrote: »
    Literally this entire thread has been you deflecting from the appalling behaviour of Irish cyclists - who regularly hit and menace pedestrians - with words to the effect of "but, but, but, whatabout motorists" "motorist kill people"

    The standard is thus that if lawbreakers don't kill, the laws regulating them shouldn't be enforced lest such enforcement get in the way of your crusade against motorists. So pedestrians who regularly have to jump out of the way of lawbreaking cyclists, pedestrians who who are regularly hit by lawbreaking cyclists, drivers who find their cars vandalised by lawbreaking cyclists, can go suck it up.

    Have you got anything to back this up?

    I walk around Dublin city centre frequently. I see people mount footpaths on bicycles for whatever reasons frequently enough but I have yet to be hit by a cyclist, have a close encounter with a cyclist or be "menaced" by a cyclist. Now I'm sure that just because I haven't experienced this behaviour doesn't mean it doesn't happen but I'm sure it's infrequent and would take a hugely disproportionate amount of Garda time to find and address. Whereas there is plenty of other **** going on around the city on a very regular basis that needs addressing. Not to mention that walking around the city is generally a miserable experience due to the way the city's footpaths and streets are designed more than anything else.

    As a taxpayer, I have zero interest in seeing Garda money and resources being diverted to satisfy a handful of the "tut tut" brigade.


  • #3424
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    A couple of times I have had some stubborn fu(ker on a bike on the pavement coming at me. I am also stubborn so tend to keep walking to force them to slow or get off. But its rare. There are far worse things on the roads and public spaces that need (by all vehicle types).


  • #3425
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    You would if you look left and right and see cycle lanes either side of you.

    Perhaps the penny might drop if you see a cyclist coming from the left or right towards you.

    No because cyclists often cycle on footpaths and grass tracks or. where ever they can pedal, Sean O'Casey bridge would seem to be an excellent example of cyclist presence not equating to a cycle lane.


  • #3426
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    DoraDelite wrote: »
    It's quite clear from the markings that you repeatedly keep ignoring that it is a cycle path. Do you ignore all road markings as you drive about and expect everything to be signposted?

    There are NO markings there, you reckon I should hand my license in, I reckon you need a visit to Specsavers


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  • #3427
    Duckjob
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,860 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    There are NO markings there, ...

    In other news, What was heretofore know as "Black" is to be redefined to be called "White"


  • #3428
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    No because cyclists often cycle on footpaths and grass tracks or. where ever they can pedal, Sean O'Casey bridge would seem to be an excellent example of cyclist presence not equating to a cycle lane.

    None of that is relevant here.


  • #3429
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    SeanW wrote: »
    the appalling behaviour of Irish cyclists - who regularly hit and menace pedestrians -

    So pedestrians who regularly have to jump out of the way of lawbreaking cyclists, pedestrians who who are regularly hit by lawbreaking cyclists, drivers who find their cars vandalised by lawbreaking cyclists, can go suck it up.

    WOW ........ WOW

    That's some amount of bullsh1Te there


  • #3430
    DoraDelite
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 310 ✭✭DoraDelite


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    There are NO markings there, you reckon I should hand my license in, I reckon you need a visit to Specsavers

    Just turning left into the baths, not a single clue visible....couldn't possible tell it's a bike path...https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3603241,-6.2044774,3a,75y,224.56h,81.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwUoc9DcZZDHRU3mL47EvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    it's not me that needs to hit Specsavers, you do also know that you are supposed to turn your head from left to right from time to time to observe all road markings, visual clues, signs, other vehicles, bikes, pedestrians, dogs, sheep etc?

    Here's the right turn view: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3603088,-6.204889,3a,75y,95.23h,89.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syxtkQdmEoHaKn6-9Btzs9g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Scary that there are people on the roads in charge of motorised vehicles that have such poor observational skills.


  • #3431
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    DoraDelite wrote: »
    Just turning left into the baths, not a single clue visible....couldn't possible tell it's a bike path...https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3603241,-6.2044774,3a,75y,224.56h,81.77t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sJwUoc9DcZZDHRU3mL47EvQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    it's not me that needs to hit Specsavers, you do also know that you are supposed to turn your head from left to right from time to time to observe all road markings, visual clues, signs, other vehicles, bikes, pedestrians, dogs, sheep etc?

    Here's the right turn view: https://www.google.com/maps/@53.3603088,-6.204889,3a,75y,95.23h,89.83t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1syxtkQdmEoHaKn6-9Btzs9g!2e0!7i16384!8i8192

    Scary that there are people on the roads in charge of motorised vehicles that have such poor observational skills.



    I suggest you cease using roads and cycle tracks immediately, as you seem to have a total mental blockage when looking at roads/cycle tracks and their requisite markings.

    Maybe start with Chapter 7 Section 8

    https://www.trafficsigns.ie/current-traffic-signs-manual


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  • #3432
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    None of that is relevant here.

    Very relevant in the fact that you said cyclists to the right or left should give people a clue, your exact wording was
    Perhaps the penny might drop if you see a cyclist coming from the left or right towards you.

    People often see cyclists from the left or right on SO'Casey bridge, it doesn't mean there's a cycle lane there, shared or otherwise.


  • #3433
    Pinch Flat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,780 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    Ah jaysus are we still on about Sean O'Casey bridge?


  • #3434
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    https://kilkennynow.ie/road-rage-motorist-attacks-cyclist-at-pedestrian-crossing-in-kilkenny-town/


  • #3435
    magicbastarder
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,497 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    micar wrote: »
    If someone gets clamped, the ticket is put into a pouch and stuck onto the drivers window.

    The glue is a b1tch to get off.

    Would you consider that criminal damage.
    i was talking to someone in the council about this. unsurprisingly they do get people whose cars have been clamped, who complain that the sticker amounts to criminal damage.

    apparently a response 'i can leave a note here so that next time you are caught, you are not to be ticketed, but we will have to tow your car instead' often resolves the issue.


  • #3436
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    magicbastarder wrote: »
    i was talking to someone in the council about this. unsurprisingly they do get people whose cars have been clamped, who complain that the sticker amounts to criminal damage.

    apparently a response 'i can leave a note here so that next time you are caught, you are not to be ticketed, but we will have to tow your car instead' often resolves the issue.

    From Boards archives just out of interest

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70792757&postcount=1
    They had removed the clamp, but had left the stickers.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72012336&postcount=32
    In response to your letter regarding the appeal relating to the above serial number, we are pleased to inform you that your appeal has been successful.

    Please note that we have refunded your Laser card with the amount of €125.

    I think you'll find that any actions from other people that render your property to less than the condition in which you left it are "probably" against some law or other.


  • #3437
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    From Boards archives just out of interest

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=70792757&postcount=1


    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72012336&postcount=32


    I think you'll find that any actions from other people that render your property to less than the condition in which you left it are "probably" against some law or other.

    Didn't I say earlier that the glue was a b1tch to remove and you called nonsense on my post

    As the poster wrote in 2011

    I am just picking a fight and being an ass!


  • #3438
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    So no permanent marking on the car then?

    What about something a little more erm "Organic" on the bonnet?


  • #3439
    RobbieMD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭RobbieMD


    For it to be considered criminal damage, the damage must be done without lawful excuse. I’d imagine the council or agent on their behalf have a lawful excuse.


  • #3440
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    Didn't I say earlier that the glue was a b1tch to remove and you called nonsense on my post

    As the poster wrote in 2011

    I am just picking a fight and being an ass!

    Your post in it's entirety
    micar wrote: »
    Quick search on Google......hand sanitizer will work.

    Think we all have multiple bottles of it at home and a bottle in the car.

    If someone gets clamped, the ticket is put into a pouch and stuck onto the drivers window.

    The glue is a b1tch to get off.

    Would you consider that criminal damage.

    My Reply in its entirity
    Spook_ie wrote: »
    I've never had a problem removing parking ticket pouches, maybe they use different glue where you illegally park.

    Anyways


    I would think that unless they had checked if the driver had hand sanitizer in his car, the perpetrator was reckless in that they hindered the drivers vision.


    Did I say nonsense, I thought I said they were using a different glue were you got ticketed


  • #3441
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    kenmm wrote: »
    So no permanent marking on the car then?

    What about something a little more erm "Organic" on the bonnet?

    Doesn't need to be permanent to be considered as grafitti and there fore according to Garda.ie constituting criminal damage


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  • #3442
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    kenmm wrote: »
    So no permanent marking on the car then?

    What about something a little more erm "Organic" on the bonnet?

    Same as bird sh1te....criminal damage and vandalism ?

    When someone draws a big dick or writes "wash me" on a dirty car.......criminal damage and vandalism?


  • #3443
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    Same as bird sh1te....criminal damage and vandalism ?

    When someone draws a big dick or writes "wash me" on a dirty car.......criminal damage and vandalism?

    Have you never seen the scratch marks left behind on body panels when people do that?


  • #3444
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Doesn't need to be permanent to be considered as grafitti and there fore according to Garda.ie constituting criminal damage

    Ok, what if I add a sheet of newspaper? Then take a dump on that and leave it on the bonnet?


  • #3445
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    kenmm wrote: »
    Ok, what if I add a sheet of newspaper? Then take a dump on that and leave it on the bonnet?

    Ah, You're just a weirdo, does you mum know you're posting on this interweb thing?


  • #3446
    kenmm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭kenmm


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Ah, You're just a weirdo, does you mum know you're posting on this interweb thing?

    Still has a long way to go to match this thread for ridiculousness!

    I think my subconscious is reaching out to try and get it closed, but equally I can't stop watching.


  • #3447
    micar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,920 ✭✭✭micar


    Spook_ie wrote: »
    Have you never seen the scratch marks left behind on body panels when people do that?

    Never

    So it needs to leave a permanent marking for you to consider to be vandalism or criminal

    But you consider a marker or lipstick is which can be removed differently

    Ok then !!!


  • #3448
    07Lapierre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,403 ✭✭✭07Lapierre


    This tweet hits the nail on the head! We may have very safe drivers, but our roads are safer because less people walk or cycle on our roads...

    https://twitter.com/citizenw0lf/status/1298686430873563136?s=21


  • #3449
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    Never

    So it needs to leave a permanent marking for you to consider to be vandalism or criminal

    But you consider a marker or lipstick is which can be removed differently

    Ok then !!!

    Jeez you do like to jump further than I've typed, where did I say it needs to be permanent?

    Graffiti is graffiti, graffiti is criminal damage, some graffiti may permanently damage a surface and require much more expense to remove and repair, other graffiti might be easier to clean off.


  • #3450
    Spook_ie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,896 ✭✭✭✭Spook_ie


    micar wrote: »
    Never

    So it needs to leave a permanent marking for you to consider to be vandalism or criminal

    But you consider a marker or lipstick is which can be removed differently

    Ok then !!!

    I take it you've never had a detailing done on your car, perhaps you'd like to ask in this forum what the likely result of them catching you writing in the dust etc. on their cars would be.

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1602

    Also
    Children or annoying passers-by love to write “Clean Me” onto a dirty car. Little do they know however, that their fingertip graffiti can cause lasting damage to a vehicle’s paintwork. How? Fingerprints grind dirt and debris into the paint, leaving a lasting blemish that can be very difficult to remove.

    https://www.holtsauto.com/simoniz/news/10-ways-ruin-cars-paintwork-without-knowing/


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  • #3451
    SeanW
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,395 ✭✭✭SeanW


    07Lapierre wrote: »
    This tweet hits the nail on the head! We may have very safe drivers, but our roads are safer because less people walk or cycle on our roads...

    https://twitter.com/citizenw0lf/status/1298686430873563136?s=21
    Difficult to tell much from a 3 second video taken with a fisheye lens. And it sounds like it has been edited in some way, as one of the people talking has a chipmunk voice. Even if it does show one driver being a dickhead, that's all it shows. One driver. As to Citizen Wolf's conclusions they are utter nonsense in every respect.
    1. We know why road fatalities have fallen dramatically despite the rise in population and car usage. Our culture no longer turns a blind eye to drink-driving. "One for the road" has been replaced with "sparking water for me, I'm the designated driver". We've built motorways and 2+2 dual carriageways that are safer than multi-purpose single carriageways, because they are designed to safely accommodate a lot of fast, through traffic separate from any local usage. Crash-worthiness standards on cars have been improved. We have the NCT system. The driver licensing system sort of works, sometimes, which it didn't work ever in the 20th century.
    2. I don't know where Citizen Wolf walks/drives but where I am, there have never been more pedestrians and cyclists about. Personally, I walk regularly on country roads for exercise and feel perfectly safe - a bit of cop-on, proper observation and you're grand.

      Of course, it's a lot better if you have footpaths, then you don't have to worry about motorists at all because you're on the footpath and you only have to deal with them when crossing or at junctions, and at that point all you need the motorist to do is obey traffic controls. Which they usually do.

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