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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children. If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.

    Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

    It was an optimistic vision of America juxtaposed with evidence of Democratic mismanagement of the parts of the country they control. Naturally the media never bothered to focus on the positive material except to call Tim Scott and Herschel Walker "Uncle Toms".


    The above video was the opposite of optimism or reality for that matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    Overheal wrote: »
    The election came down to about 80,000 votes in 3 swing states. This despite losing the popular vote overall by ~3M votes.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/12/01/donald-trump-will-be-president-thanks-to-80000-people-in-three-states/

    It had nothing to do with the polls, so much as it did the thin margins in play.

    The national polls were quite correct. A few state polls were wrong however. That combined with the indifference and complacency of Clinton supporters lead to the unexpected result.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    The national polls were quite correct. A few state polls were wrong however. That combined with the indifference and complacency of Clinton supporters lead to the unexpected result.

    Source?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children.

    But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.

    What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he. Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

    Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

    City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

    If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Sean.3516 wrote: »
    You're wrong I have watched it. And it is an optimistic vision that says that people like Tim Scott and Nicki Haley and that Cuban immigrant can overcome great odds in order to build a better life for themselves and their children. If the Republicans can keep the orange guy off Twitter and keep telling stories like that or the next couple of months of what America is and can continue to be, Biden doesn't stand a chance.
    Whistling past the graveyard comes to mind. Very optimistic - just look at the quotes in the video. I mean, Eva Longoria!

    Yes, many speakers lambasted the Democrats for allowing rabble rousers to wreck their cities unimpeded for the last few months. And as I've said Kimberly Guilfoyle made a fool of herself by screaming her head off (forgetting there was no crowd) about how Democrats have turned California, some of the most beautiful land on planet earth, into a hell-hole.
    California's still beautiful. You won't get to see the good stuff on Fox news. Kimberly Guilfoyle was fine with being Mrs. Gavin Newsom when he was a prominent pol in San Francisco, btw.
    It was an optimistic vision of America juxtaposed with evidence [of Democratic mismanagement of the parts of the country they control. Naturally the media never bothered to focus on the positive material except to call Tim Scott and Herschel Walker "Uncle Toms".
    What, exactly, was shown that was optimistic? Job numbers? Covid death statistics? Deficits?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.
    Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA

    Proof? Not like Cuomo was getting much help from the #IMPOTUS during this time - the good ship lollipop was a nice gesture, but they needed PPE and ventilators, those took awhile to show up, should've been stockpiled last year.

    Exactly what were the Federal guidelines in place at the time for nursing home patients? (hint: it's a trick question. Hint 2: there still aren't any)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

    Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

    City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

    If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.
    Why do you think "Democrats" should be blamed for the shootings tonight?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,680 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    What's the point in electing Trump again? I mean if parts of the country are getting wrecked, as you say, then this President is not very good is he. Did we see cities burning under Obama? Did we see cities burning under Clinton or Bush? No. Then why is it happening under this President? I know Trumpists are desperately trying to focus the blame elsewhere but this is happening under him.

    It is what it is. He takes no responsibility, and heck, empty-suit Kushner even withheld Covid assistance to Democratically-controlled states. Remember: the tGOP want you to die if you don't vote their way. That's their policy.

    They're down with sending in troops - more opportunity to kill non-tGOP voters. Seems obvious enough.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    Similar f00k ups by Cuomo caused Covid to be much worse in NY and hence the rest of the USA

    You what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,066 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

    Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

    City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

    If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.

    We're all seeing the images of the shooter calmly walking amongst and past police officers while holding his weapon and nobody challenging him.

    Takes some neck to look at the situation and blame the Democrats.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    But when AOC or Ilhan Omar overcome the odds to build a better life for themselves, they are insulted and derided by Republicans as horrible people who hate their country. More hypocritical rubbish.

    AOC was told to go back to her country (this is her country)

    Kamala Harris was accused of not being born here

    etc.

    They're a bunch of sleazebags.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.

    Man of the people?


    The (supposed) Billionaire, is a "Man of the people" :pac:

    Meanwhile, the woman who tended bars to pay for college (remember how Trump and his ilk slagged her off for this?) Is an "elitist!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    We're all seeing the images of the shooter calmly walking amongst and past police officers while holding his weapon and nobody challenging him.

    Takes some neck to look at the situation and blame the Democrats.

    "Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, an Illinois resident who was just charged with first-degree murder of two people last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. This teen, whose social media history is full of misogyny and white supremacy, had easy access to an AR-15."

    Trumps America.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Trump is a man of the people, AOC is an elitist. That is seriously the view of many Republicans.

    How is she an elitist? :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    "Kyle Rittenhouse, 17, an Illinois resident who was just charged with first-degree murder of two people last night in Kenosha, Wisconsin. This teen, whose social media history is full of misogyny and white supremacy, had easy access to an AR-15."

    Trumps America.

    "Clearly, this is all the fault of the Demonrats"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    Overheal wrote: »
    How is she an elitist? :rolleyes:
    She isn't......"that's seriously the view of many Republicans" wasn't meant as something I agree with. It's completely ludicrous, yet they'll spout it with a straight face.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Rittenhouse sounds like the kind of guy that the Young Republicans would be interested in.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    We're all seeing the images of the shooter calmly walking amongst and past police officers while holding his weapon and nobody challenging him.

    Takes some neck to look at the situation and blame the Democrats.

    Even Democrats can see how this reflects on them and helps Trump. Too late now though, Wisconsin is back in play from been essentially locked down by Biden.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    What an absolute s--tshow from the Democrats in Wisconsin.

    Yesterday, they refused Federal Assistance to manage the rioting in Kenosha. The city board of Kenosha requested substantial NG support (1500 NG) to help protect the city. The Democrat governor refused and sent 200 men.

    City burning to the ground, Democrats pandering to rioters, now people are dead. Today, the Govenor accepted substantial federal assistance. Even Don Lemon is calling for the Democrats to speak against the riots.

    If people don't think these images will be beamed into the homes of people across the US in the next few months, they are asleep.

    People shot by one of those fine 2nd Amendment armed eejits. Takes some absolute neck to blame the democrats for that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Even Democrats can see how this reflects on them and helps Trump. Too late now though, Wisconsin is back in play from been essentially locked down by Biden.

    Do you have a poll or anything to back this up or is it just made up in your head?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    Overheal wrote: »
    Was Farrakhan there? I must have missed it.

    What anti-semites were there?
    They'd never be stupid enough to put Farrakhan there but they continually tolerate people who support him and/or say anti-semitic things themselves. People like Corey Booker, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, Tamika Mallory and Linda Sarsour (who the Biden campaign distanced themselves from after her speech and then promptly apologised for doing so).
    Overheal wrote: »
    In other words, it's better for all that Trump stays in his bunker. Got it.
    He doesn't need to stay there in order to boost his chances, but he does need to be disciplined. Polls have continually shown that when people hear from him less or when he stays on teleprompter, or when he's abroad, not only does his unfavorability decrease but his favourability actually increases. This is why his most well received speeches have consistently been foreign policy speeches given abroad. Because Trump is less ensconced in the personality-politics of Twitter when he gives these speeches.

    I would say the correlation is less to do with him not saying anything and more to do with him not saying stupid things.
    Overheal wrote: »
    Is that the same Nikki Haley that excoriated Trump for using 'language I don't teach my own children to use?' Or the one who abruptly abandoned her post as governor to be an ambassador only to swiftly disappear from that job because she was about to be investigated for serious ethics violations?
    Sooo??
    She was governor of SC for six years before becoming UN ambassador and she was succeeded by her own handpicked lt. governor. It wasn't like she just abandoned her state.
    This seems to be a favourite tactic among some people. Accuse the person of various forms of misbehaviour (without evidence) as a substitute for an actual argument against their position.

    Haley was born to Indian immigrants and grew up in the Deep South and managed to become governor of South Carolina and we're supposed to believe this is a deeply racist country?
    Overheal wrote: »
    Scott is the party's token minority senator, they will cast him off as a RINO the minute he steps off the party line.
    Wow, he's a black Republican, therefore he's a token. How racist. Yes, I'm sure all the racist hicks in South Carolina elected a black man to the Senate because they wanted a token.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    https://twitter.com/Peter_Grinspoon/status/1298444030137835522?s=19

    Their playbook is so transparent to everyone except their brainwashed base.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Do you have a poll or anything to back this up or is it just made up in your head?

    Keep your head buried in the sand and ignore what Democrat strategists are now saying.

    Democrats should be talking about Covid19, healthcare, economy, racial division - they shouldn't be running defence for groups they supported who are now burning and looting cities.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    People shot by one of those fine 2nd Amendment armed eejits. Takes some absolute neck to blame the democrats for that.

    I think its at least fair to say both candidates will need to pick Wisconsin as a battleground after the weeks events. Democrats can still win there, but they must address the current issue. Outrage from Republicans scorching the authority of the governorship on their way out the door after losing in 2018 won't be enough at this juncture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,031 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Keep your head buried in the sand and ignore what Democrat strategists are now saying.

    Democrats should be talking about Covid19, healthcare, economy, racial division - they shouldn't be running defence for groups they supported who are now burning and looting cities.

    So thats a no then?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 862 ✭✭✭Sean.3516


    They have multiple Q-Anon believers running in the election... And the president basically said he likes them since they like him. So the loons are running the asylum tbh.

    Yes and that's a bad thing. But at least the Republican national leadership has shown their disapproval of them by dropping that speaker.

    As regards Trump in that clip where he was asked about QAnon, it's perfectly obvious that Trump hadn't the foggiest idea what QAnon was. Yet, Trump is happy to say nice things about almost anybody who says nice things about him.


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