FF/FG/Green Next Government

Floppybits · 26-08-2020 10:41AM

Sorry Blanch I can't agree with you, to me breaking the social distancing or other regulations is breaking them regardless of the event. Yes there certain emergency situations that they can ve broken but not a funeral regardless of whether its a show funeral or any other funeral.

All this smacks of is schoolyard antics of but they did it first. Time for all the politicians and supporters of all a parties to grow up and behave like adults and stop this crap of seeing who can climb higher on their high horse.

By right when this pandemic broke out in the country there should have a national government formed with the best of all parties in it working for the good of the Country and not this sh1tshow we have been seeing the last 4 months or so. But again this came down to ego's again. It is disgraceful and the carry on their supporters on all sides is a disgrace and one of the reasons why the country will never move forward.

Hawthorn Tree · 26-08-2020 10:43AM

Floppybits wrote: »

By right when this pandemic broke out in the country there should have a national government formed with the best of all parties in it working for the good of the Country and not this sh1tshow we have been seeing the last 4 months or so. But again this came down to ego's again. It is disgraceful and the carry on their supporters on all sides is a disgrace and one of the reasons why the country will never move forward.

It's actually only 2 months since this government was formed. June 27th. Hard to believe because so much has happened

Floppybits · 26-08-2020 10:46AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

It's actually only 2 months since this government was formed. June 27th. Hard to believe because so much has happened

I was going back to the start in March. This government should never have been formed. If we had real leaders in this country they would have come together formed a national government to deal with this on a united front but no instead we got this sh1tshow.

Fann Linn · 26-08-2020 11:40AM

Govt and MM in a tailspin again. He's afraid to back up Ryan who only three hours ago said he had no confidence in Hogan.

Floppybits · 26-08-2020 01:08PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Govt and MM in a tailspin again. He's afraid to back up Ryan who only three hours ago said he had no confidence in Hogan.

Are Martin, Varadkar and Ryan talking to each other because it certainly doesn't look like it? Or are the communicating through their vast amounts of special advisors that the message is getting lost along the way.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 01:11PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Are Martin, Varadkar and Ryan talking to each other because it certainly doesn't look like it? Or are the communicating through their vast amounts of special advisors that the message is getting lost along the way.

Who is this Varadkar person you refer to? I have a vague memory of him.

To be serious, I think Leo has gone to ground here to try and avoid contagion for FG...they have a rogue member defying the state and a FG judge under investigation.

Not a good look at all.

Floppybits · 26-08-2020 01:18PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who is this Varadkar person you refer to? I have a vague memory of him.

To be serious, I think Leo has gone to ground here to try and avoid contagion for FG...they have a rogue member defying the state and a FG judge under investigation.

Not a good look at all.

Varadkar is like that guy in school that talks another person into taking on the school bully and tells him he will back him up and then gets a sly dig and runs off and hides leaving the other lad to take on the bully.

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2020 01:24PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Varadkar is like that guy in school that talks another person into taking on the school bully and tells him he will back him up and then gets a sly dig and runs off and hides leaving the other lad to take on the bully.

You seem to have a lot of ‘knowledge’ in that realm,cock.

Floppybits · 26-08-2020 01:27PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You seem to have a lot of ‘knowledge’ in that realm,cock.

Is that an attack on me?

Scoundrel · 26-08-2020 01:40PM

It's gone from 20/1 to 3/1 on Paddy Power for there to be an election this year

Brendan Bendar · 26-08-2020 01:43PM

Floppybits wrote: »

Is that an attack on me?

Attack......nah....don’t do attacks me.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 01:43PM

Martin really turned this around. We had whispers of Varadkar giving out over Calleary regarding the future of the super friends, now Hogan has really flipped that on it's head. If I were LV I'd be really pissed at Hogan too.
Did not see MM getting out from under in such a fashion and so soon.
This government is choc full of wonderment.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 01:46PM

Bowie wrote: »

Martin really turned this around. We had whispers of Varadkar giving out over Calleary regarding the future of the super friends, now Hogan has really flipped that on it's head. If I were LV I'd be really pissed at Hogan too.
Did not see MM getting out from under in such a fashion and so soon.
This government is choc full of wonderment.

Regina sent out to have digs at FF on the national broadcaster a distant memory of the lush grass on the high moral ground now...all the trangressors left are FG one's now.

RandomViewer · 26-08-2020 02:14PM

Scoundrel wrote: »

It's gone from 20/1 to 3/1 on Paddy Power for there to be an election this year

Nah ,if anything MM will be making gooey eyes at Mary Lou, Greens don't care as long as salaries and perks are rolling in, Varadker could find himself in same position as Reynolds did in the 90s

James Brown · 26-08-2020 02:17PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Regina sent out to have digs at FF on the national broadcaster a distant memory of the lush grass on the high moral ground now...all the trangressors left are FG one's now.

After bringing FF back from the brink in the back scratch agreement of the last government, FF are looking like the senior hurlers.

Looks like FG will suffer the faith of all Fianna Fail junior partners. Bummer dudes.

Hawthorn Tree · 26-08-2020 02:20PM

Scoundrel wrote: »

It's gone from 20/1 to 3/1 on Paddy Power for there to be an election this year

I don't think so. FFG really need to distance themselves from the Clifden Elite affair. They will suffer the fallout of that for a long time. I cant remember an incident that was more damaging to a government. The context of Covid restrictions for everyone else really amplifies that damage. It reinforces beliefs that have been in place for years around the elite in this country (politicians, judiciary, media & dodgy businessmen)

Civil War politics is finally over. Now the marriage of FF & FG is facing a messy divorce. One of those parties will become a complete irrelevance I feel.

Scoundrel · 26-08-2020 02:23PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I don't think so. FFG really need to distance themselves from the Clifden Elite affair. They will suffer the fallout of that for a long time. I cant remember an incident that was more damaging to a government. The context of Covid restrictions for everyone else really amplifies that damage. It reinforces beliefs that have been in place for years around the elite in this country (politicians, judiciary, media & dodgy businessmen)

Civil War politics is finally over. Now the marriage of FF & FG is facing a messy divorce. One of those parties will become a complete irrelevance I feel.

Almost certainly FF will be the irrelevance looking at current polling.

CrankyHaus · 26-08-2020 02:29PM

Bowie wrote: »

After bringing FF back from the brink in the back scratch agreement of the last government, FF are looking like the senior hurlers.

Looks like FG will suffer the faith of all Fianna Fail junior partners. Bummer dudes.

I wonder. Hogan isn't part of this Government in the way FF's transgressors were. Neither is Brian Hayes. I think that distances FG from the damage in the eyes of the typical voter.

In addition I think FG has a more defined "centre-right" brand, and a more secure base as a result. FF base is a broader church, its voters can go towards other parties on either side of it, SF, FG or niche. Whatever about outrage at times like this, at election I think the FG vote is less likely to go towards SF, or even FF in significant numbers.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 02:29PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I don't think so. FFG really need to distance themselves from the Clifden Elite affair. They will suffer the fallout of that for a long time. I cant remember an incident that was more damaging to a government. The context of Covid restrictions for everyone else really amplifies that damage. It reinforces beliefs that have been in place for years around the elite in this country (politicians, judiciary, media & dodgy businessmen)

Civil War politics is finally over. Now the marriage of FF & FG is facing a messy divorce. One of those parties will become a complete irrelevance I feel.

FF/FG have had decades under the luxury of people not expecting ethics from them and expecting cute hoorism and cronyism. The public are finally tiring of it it seems. Best of a bad lot only works when you're the best of a bad lot.
FF/FG officially signing up together might be the best thing to happen to the country. As long as they remain tied the country has a chance of different and new parties coming up.
The FF/FG government are like a running episode of 'Yes Minister', if Pat Shortt was a guest writer.

FrancieBrady · 26-08-2020 02:32PM

Bowie wrote: »

After bringing FF back from the brink in the back scratch agreement of the last government, FF are looking like the senior hurlers.

Looks like FG will suffer the faith of all Fianna Fail junior partners. Bummer dudes.

Seriously, if they cannot find a way to stop Hogan driving a coach and four through the FGers credibility here, they are in trouble.
If Von Der Leyen doesn't sack him, what then...we all hum and pretend it hasn't happened?

Crisis for the state's authority approaching...and if the Judiciary doesn't play ball the Woulfe will literally be at the door.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 02:36PM

CrankyHaus wrote: »

I wonder. Hogan isn't part of this Government in the way FF's transgressors were. Neither is Brian Hayes. I think that distances FG from the damage in the eyes of the typical voter.

In addition I think FG has a more defined "centre-right" brand, and a more secure base as a result. FF base is a broader church, its voters can go towards other parties on either side of it, SF, FG or niche. Whatever about outrage at times like this, at election I think the FG vote is less likely to go towards SF, or even FF in significant numbers.

Phil 'down to a trickle' Hogan was not forgotten. The best thing LV/FG can do is keep the head down and wait for the next FF boo boo, because their will be one.
We must consider many people wanted FG gone, even some of those who previously voted for them, yet they are still there. I don't think FF being FF is going to distract from that. Also it's obvious more people wanted FF in power than FG.

I think the 'fiscal responsibility' and 'law and order party' monikers are dead and buried and a bit of an embarrassment TBH. If FG need depend on their base alone I'd expect their next outing to be worse than the last.

Muahahaha · 26-08-2020 03:10PM

Bowie wrote: »

FF/FG have had decades under the luxury of people not expecting ethics from them and expecting cute hoorism and cronyism. The public are finally tiring of it it seems. Best of a bad lot only works when you're the best of a bad lot.
FF/FG officially signing up together might be the best thing to happen to the country. As long as they remain tied the country has a chance of different and new parties coming up.
The FF/FG government are like a running episode of 'Yes Minister', if Pat Shortt was a guest writer.

Thats very true, we have had decades of cronyism, cute hoorism, corruption, golden circles, incompetence and just plain bad governance. FFG are all of these things and the public at large are getting sick of it. Their supporters on here constantly defend low standards in public governance and mediocrity seems to be the bar that they have set.

The tide is fast going out on that position that 'theres nothing to see here' when there is always plenty to see except for those who are willfully blind and who follow political parties like football teams. I always feel pity for those types, its like they lack the ability to engage their brain in critical thinking.

christy c · 26-08-2020 03:41PM

Bowie wrote: »

Looks like FG will suffer the faith of all Fianna Fail junior partners. Bummer dudes.

Think you're letting you're imagination get the better of you. At the moment,FF would need to overturn a 20ish % defcit in the polls for that to happen. Possible but not likely.

People are rightly p1ssed off at the fcukers in Clifden, but that doesn't mean others (with very questionable records) will automatically take their place.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 03:42PM

christy c wrote: »

Think you're letting you're imagination get the better of you. At the moment,FF would need to overturn a 20ish % defcit in the polls for that to happen. Possible but not likely.

People are rightly p1ssed off at the fcukers in Clifden, but that doesn't mean others (with very questionable records) will automatically take their place.

Fianna Fail much?

christy c · 26-08-2020 03:45PM

Bowie wrote: »

Fianna Fail much?

Not sure what you mean. Fianna Fail have a huge deficit to FG in the polls, bad and all as this event was I cannot see it closing the gap.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 03:54PM

christy c wrote: »

Not sure what you mean. Fianna Fail have a huge deficit to FG in the polls, bad and all as this event was I cannot see it closing the gap.

What you think might not happen has happened. FF have essentially replaced FG. FF have a questionable record. FF had us 'practically eating out of bins' FG said. Kenny got in on telling us how bad FF were and how we needed to change the way we do business, yet here we are with FF propped up by FG and going by the record of this young government, absolutely nothing has changed in the way we do business.
Raise the SF bogeyman by all means, for what it's worth. I'd prefer if FF/FG cut the crony entitled bull****.
FG have failed their base, that element who believe FG are different from FF.

christy c · 26-08-2020 04:02PM

Bowie wrote: »

What you think might not happen has happened. FF have essentially replaced FG. FF have a questionable record. FF had us 'practically eating out of bins' FG said. Kenny got in on telling us how bad FF were and how we needed to change the way we do business, yet here we are with FF propped up by FG and going by the record of this young government, absolutely nothing has changed in the way we do business.
Raise the SF bogeyman by all means, for what it's worth. I'd prefer if FF/FG cut the crony entitled bull****.
FG have failed their base, that element who believe FG are different from FF.

Ff have not replaced FG, FG were only one or 2 seats behind FF and unlikely to be going anywhere in the short term IMO. I dont know where you are getting that from?

Some valid points about Enda not delivering what he promised. There are very valid concerns about SF, arrogantly dismissing them as being a bogeyman is just silly.

Bannasidhe · 26-08-2020 04:05PM

Bowie wrote: »

What you think might not happen has happened. FF have essentially replaced FG. FF have a questionable record. FF had us 'practically eating out of bins' FG said. Kenny got in on telling us how bad FF were and how we needed to change the way we do business, yet here we are with FF propped up by FG and going by the record of this young government, absolutely nothing has changed in the way we do business.
Raise the SF bogeyman by all means, for what it's worth. I'd prefer if FF/FG cut the crony entitled bull****.
FG have failed their base, that element who believe FG are different from FF.

Where did Cc mention specifically SF?? He said other's with questionable records granted and SF so have a bit of an inky record tbh.

He said that FF's fall in public opinion as evidenced by their poll ratings is too steep a drop for them. I agree.
It has nothing to do with SF so why bring them up?
FF's ratings are in the toilet. FG's aren't. Now, FG might take a hit after this but so will FF - what will absolutely not happen is FF overtaking FG in the polls.

James Brown · 26-08-2020 04:35PM

christy c wrote: »

Ff have not replaced FG, FG were only one or 2 seats behind FF and unlikely to be going anywhere in the short term IMO. I dont know where you are getting that from?

Some valid points about Enda not delivering what he promised. There are very valid concerns about SF, arrogantly dismissing them as being a bogeyman is just silly.

Who's Taoiseach?

FF were the worst of the worst until FG needed them. Now FG are propping up their leader to lead Ireland.

You raised others with a bad record. What did you mean by, "others (with very questionable records) will automatically take their place." if not raising the shinner bogeyman?
What short memories people have, especially Fine Gael.

christy c · 26-08-2020 04:47PM

Bowie wrote: »

Who's Taoiseach?

FF were the worst of the worst until FG needed them. Now FG are propping up their leader to lead Ireland.

You raised others with a bad record. What did you mean by, "others (with very questionable records) will automatically take their place." if not raising the shinner bogeyman?
What short memories people have, especially Fine Gael.

I'm well aware who's Taoiseach. What has FG in partnership with FF got to do with FF replacing FG?

Others with a bad record are all those nutters who advocate(d) nonsensical policies which I have outlined many times (SF, PBP, Aontu, etc.). Dismissing very valid criticism as a bogeyman is silly.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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