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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #3602
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,070 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    His approval rating in the Republican party is consistently in the 90's.

    95% of registered Republicans will vote for him in November (a similar number of Registered Dems will vote for Biden).

    90% of Lean Reps will vote for him in November(a similar number of Lean Dems will vote for Biden).

    The idea that either party is divided is nonsense.

    Politics in the US is like supporters of Man Utd / Liverpool in soccer. Most are never going to change their colour irrespective of what is going on.

    But, they might still not support their team in the same way. In politics, in this scenario, it comes down to who actually goes out to vote. The evidence at this point, is people pulling away from Trump; Small rally crowds, big hitters leaving, former allies denouncing him and as said already, the GOP largely leaving the convention to him to get on with it.


  • #3603
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    Tell me how wrote: »
    Politics in the US is like supporters of Man Utd / Liverpool in soccer. Most are never going to change their colour irrespective of what is going on.

    But, they might still not support their team in the same way. In politics, in this scenario, it comes down to who actually goes out to vote. The evidence at this point, is people pulling away from Trump; Small rally crowds, big hitters leaving, former allies denouncing him and as said already, the GOP largely leaving the convention to him to get on with it.

    Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

    There will be no dividing of parties.


  • #3604
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,071 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

    There will be no dividing of parties.

    And therein lies the issue. 2016 saw many of those swing voters opt for the unknown (in political terms) Trump for change.

    Change he has not delivered.

    But the polls now appear to indicate that the % of undecided is small and not enough to turn the election - with the caveat of state level votes.


  • #3605
    Tell me how
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,070 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    Irishman80 wrote: »
    Yes, it will come down to turning out the voters and fighting for independents at the margins in some swing states.

    There will be no dividing of parties.

    3 Million more people voted for HC in 2016. That's with Trump having picked up most swing voters given how, there had been 8 years of a Democrat in the White House, HC was not a popular character, and Trumps simple rhetoric of 'Drain the swamp', 'Build the Wall' and 'Lock her Up' and Comey announcing just days before the election that they were reopening a probe in to Clintons emails.

    This time round. He has no catch phrases, Republicans are already in the WH, Biden is more likable than HC, and Trump has shown for 4 years how utterly divisive and incompetent he is.

    I've said already that the moment it becomes clear he will not be the next President, that the GOP will move to distance themselves from him. The fact that the Lincoln Project and Republican Voters Against Trump already exist shows that many in the Republican Party want rid of him.


  • #3606
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    I see Rand Paul is speaking tonight to gush about Trump. I wonder what Trump thinks about him:

    .


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  • #3607
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    Classy act who last night said: "As a first generation American I know how dangerous their socialist agenda is...I consider it my duty to fight and protect the American Dream."

    The classy act was born in San Francisco and her mother is from Puerto Rico. She said her mother came to America as an immigrant. Of course in the real world Puerto Ricans are actually American citizens. The classy act lied, she is no more a first generation American than I am. Classy.
    Technically, her father is an immigrant. Though he's from Ennis and emigrated in the '50s, so not sure how much he'd know about the "dangers of socialism" from his upbringing.


  • #3608
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    He's a con man, a liar, a narcissist, a bigot and a colossal f*ckup whose inherited wealth protects him from the consequences of running business after business into the ground.

    I'm not sure why so many people have signed up to a cult based on someone so moronic and incapable of even the most basic of tasks.

    Hmm. A party whose values are based on 2000 years of heritage, that prioritise the individual over the collective. Values that the country was built on.

    Versus another party who have no regard for personal property, ethics or truth, and who champion collective identity over the individual.

    Think its clear which one is the cult.

    His inherited wealth certainly helped, but it didn't protect him from harsh lessons learned and valuable experience formed.

    Biden on the other hand is a classic ' go along to get along ' character, who never took any risks, who sat in a government dept for 40 years picking up a paycheck.

    He's a person who never actually ' did ' anything, under any meaningful definition of the word. Perhaps that's why he appeals to some people?


  • #3609
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He's a person who never actually ' did ' anything, under any meaningful definition of the word. Perhaps that's why he appeals to some people?


    In fairness, he did play a role in the destruction of Libya.


  • #3610
    Kidchameleon
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    ancapailldorcha wrote: »
    Odd that someone with so few morals is a "class act".
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    the dollar store melania is his girlfriend.
    Overheal wrote: »
    That classy act helped Junior cheat on his wife.


    So a strong independent woman comes out in favor of Trump (and we certainly need more strong women) yet straight away the slut shaming and commenting on her appearance starts, shameful.


  • #3611
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    None of those comments are "slut shaming", and it's ridiculous for you to say that after what you said about Kamala Harris. Why is Harris someone who "slept her way up the ladder" but Guilfoyle isn't, incidentally?

    Guilfoyle's speech was absolutely mental. She said that Democrats literally want to take your freedom an enslave you; she was raving like an evil cartoon villain.


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  • #3612
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Lets clear something up.

    The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

    Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

    You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.


  • #3613
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Hmm. A party whose values are based on 2000 years of heritage, that prioritise the individual over the collective.

    What values? There's a different story every day about them being criminals or adulterers. Luckily the Democrats do prioritise the collective over the individual, America might actually have a chance of beating the pandemic with this approach.


  • #3614
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    extra gravy wrote: »
    What values? There's a different story every day about them being criminals or adulterers. Luckily the Democrats do prioritise the collective over the individual, America might actually have a chance of beating the pandemic with this approach.

    You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

    Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.


  • #3615
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Lets clear something up.

    The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

    Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

    You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.


    Yeah thats totally cleared up. Whats your infatutation with the Dems and commies? Not even republicans know what they themselves stand for anymore

    Its fairly clear what way Trumpists moral compass is pointing.


  • #3616
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Biker79 wrote: »
    You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

    Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.

    so the courts are now the media?

    true values are shown in times of crisis. Leaders stand up and take responsibility and lead.


  • #3617
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    Biker79 wrote: »
    You mean stories from a desperate media who lie to stay in business?

    Values have nothing to do with the Pandemic - that's a total scapegoat.

    Bannon, Manafort, Flynn, Cohen, Stone etc...all stories?

    Actually values have everything to do with the pandemic. The me me me Republicans that are more interested in their individual freedoms than the wellbeing of their fellow citizens have contributed to the worsening of it through their anti mask, anti lockdown approach. They don't belong in a modern socially responsible society.


  • #3618
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    dwayneshintzy wrote: »
    Technically, her father is an immigrant. Though he's from Ennis and emigrated in the '50s, so not sure how much he'd know about the "dangers of socialism" from his upbringing.

    She's still not a "first generation American". Her mother is an American citizen and Guilfoyle was born in the US.


  • #3619
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Lets clear something up.

    The Democrats were probably once a party who had real values. But they have been hijacked by leftists and have sold their soul in return for a few votes and a shot at power. They are prepared to destroy cities in order to get back in Office. They don't know what direction their moral compass is pointing in anymore.

    Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

    You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.

    What values would those be?


  • #3620
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    What values would those be?

    The fact that you ask speaks for itself.


  • #3621
    Irishman80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 236 ✭✭Irishman80


    3rd night of BLM riots in Wisconsin last night. Businesses burned to the ground. Militia protecting businesses have shot people. Reports of drive-by shootings. Governor of Wisconsin refused an offer of 500 National Guard troops from White House yesterday.

    Democrats are handing election to Trump.


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  • #3622
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The fact that you ask speaks for itself.
    are you afraid to tell us? do they not list them in the manual?


  • #3623
    dwayneshintzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,343 ✭✭✭dwayneshintzy


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    She's still not a "first generation American". Her mother is an American citizen and Guilfoyle was born in the US.
    Yep, don't disagree. Just saying even if you charitably look at what she said (that's she first generation on her father's side), it's bollocks.


  • #3624
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The fact that you ask speaks for itself.

    So you can't simply tell us which values you are talking about? Why avoid the question?


  • #3625
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Too many Democrats no longer care about America. They only want big government to look after them. Commies in other words. McCarthy was right all along.

    You can whine all you want about Trumps imperfections, however, the real issue is whether The US restores its values and continues on, or takes a wrong turn towards a technocratic communist dystopia full of mindless leftie-bots.

    You moan about Democrats wanting big government and yet Trump has increased government spending at a rate almost twice that of Obama (who was also accused of wanting to herald in communism to the US). Why are you ok with that? In fact republican presidents actually tend to increase government spending and size of government as well as national debt over and above democratic presidents.

    Also I see you're repeating a Don Jr talking point that the US will turn into a communist dystopia. That's so ridiculous and mindlessly repeating it won't make it any more true. People have seen what a Biden type administration would be like during the Obama administration (Biden is actually more centrist). The economy boomed, historic jobs growth and then the great leader got a hold of it and ran out into the ground in a few years - historic unemployment, historic GDP loss, 180k+ dead from Covid-19 and so on.

    You also clearly have no idea what communism is. Absolutely none.


  • #3626
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,101 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Biker79 wrote: »
    The fact that you ask speaks for itself.

    So marriage is temporary and adultery is acceptable?


    Is that always an official republican party line.


  • #3627
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    Posts: 5,917 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Hmm. A party whose values are based on 2000 years of heritage, that prioritise the individual over the collective. Values that the country was built on.

    Since when does America have 2000 years of heritage?
    Even going on the fact that the country known as America was founded by immigrants, the cultural history of those immigrants is the exact opposite of what your claiming.


  • #3628
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    DubInMeath wrote: »
    Since when does America have 2000 years of heritage?
    Even going on the fact that the country known as America was founded by immigrants, the cultural history of those immigrants is the exact opposite of what your claiming.

    sure most of them good christians don't even think the world is around that long. maybe god created the dems, jebus was commie


  • #3629
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,262 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    I love the "Republicans are the party of values" angle. Full of conmen, criminals and grifters supported by people that would rather see kids massacred in schools than have any controls implemented on their precious guns. Then you have the self righteous tinpot evangelists that lecture everyone else about their behaviour while they watch their wife being screwed by the pool boy. It's comical.


  • #3630
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    jamule wrote: »
    are you afraid to tell us? do they not list them in the manual?
    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    So you can't simply tell us which values you are talking about? Why avoid the question?

    I know I've come across this before...

    http://wondermark.com/1k62/


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  • #3631
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,861 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Biker79 wrote: »
    I know I've come across this before...

    http://wondermark.com/1k62/

    So you make a claim and when people ask you to explain your claim you decide to post a silly meme instead? In the time its take you to twice avoid answering the question you could have told us what these values are. Why are you avoiding answering the question?


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