Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

Gruffalux · 25-08-2020 08:22PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

I think it's very clear that the government's intention is to achieve herd immunity. I just wish they would tell the public the truth.

Herd immunity is a fancy phrase for saying eventually most of us are going to get this virus. Now. 1 year. 5 years. It is there to be caught now, when it was not before.
It is here now, part of the biome so to speak. And that is a bit of a fcuk of a fact - we had enough to be dealing with, suffering wise, as a species without this particular bug evolving (or breaking free!), being easily transmitted and progressively a potential cause of mortality as one grows older. Not to mention a potential cause of unpleasant morbidity in the reasonably young and fit.

Sucks that it happened. Take vitamin D.

Boggles · 25-08-2020 08:26PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

I think it's very clear that the government's intention is to achieve herd immunity. I just wish they would tell the public the truth.

Considering we have had probably one of the lowest infections rates in Europe (in real terms) and we are doing a pretty good job at suppressing the virus thus far.

Our government are shít at this herd immunity thing, most of us will be long dead from natural causes before we get there at this rate.

Non solum non ambulabit · 25-08-2020 08:26PM

eigrod wrote: »

Cases in ICU down to 4 now

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/pages/hospitals-icu--testing

That is superb. Can I ask everyone who is in a massive panic over this disease to reflect on that.

I was really worried when Covid first appeared but the actual real world evidence is very positive at the moment, no matter what side you are on.

Widdensushi · 25-08-2020 08:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The virus does not get weaker. A strain may emerge with milder symptoms, but at that point you would have no guarantee the milder version will become the more prevalent version

The stronger version kills more and makes people more sick so it is more easily found so of course the milder version will become more prevalent

Renjit · 25-08-2020 08:29PM

blade1 wrote: »

Meme material

jackboy · 25-08-2020 08:30PM

Jaded Walker wrote: »

I think it's very clear that the government's intention is to achieve herd immunity. I just wish they would tell the public the truth.

Because they would then be asked the reason for the plan, which is that it is the easiest plan, which kind of resembles no long term plan.

Boggles · 25-08-2020 08:31PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

I was really worried when Covid first appeared but the actual real world evidence is very positive at the moment, no matter what side you are on.

The COVID-19 pandemic has spread so rapidly since the first U.S. case was reported Jan. 20 that it’s now the third-leading cause of death in the country

Positive?

I wouldn't go that far.

Gruffalux · 25-08-2020 08:37PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

That is superb. Can I ask everyone who is in a massive panic over this disease to reflect on that.

I was really worried when Covid first appeared but the actual real world evidence is very positive at the moment, no matter what side you are on.

It's looking okay if you are under 60 or so. Though no guarantees.
But I was thinking yesterday that it is not so rosy a future for that rather large demographic of people who used to pile into community centres once a week for a hot lunch and a natter at the old folks meet, nor is it great for their bingo games, or being visited in a nursing home, or for the seniors chair fitness sessions. No more off once a week on the local bus for the craic. Etc etc. There are a good many people in the world who are threatened by this. Not your age group, and they look a bit saggy, but still they are real people.

caveat emptor · 25-08-2020 08:54PM

Very interesting paper on how 1977 was probably released form a lab in Russia. The reason for the release is unknown. Could have been an accident , could have be during vaccine development or could have been a weapon. The strain was identical to the one from 1956 and not seen in wild since that point. If it were in animals etc it would have mutated through the years. It particularly effected younger adults.

Whole area is shady. References the ban on gain of function research by US.

https://mbio.asm.org/content/6/4/e01013-15

Funsterdelux · 25-08-2020 08:58PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Tipp high from meat food plant cluster?

High as a kite, some bullocks got into a field with magic mushrooms and had a bite.

speckle · 25-08-2020 09:03PM

We should not be choosing for the elders in our society how they wish to deal with Covid,

Having giving them the full and frank and comprehensive latest information with no omissions.

All choices are valid and must be supported.

This is what I feel, after supporting in last couple of years family members in their 80s in choices for example regarding to treat or not, or do not resuscitate or resuscitate when extremely ill.

For too long we have placed some of our wisest elders... in life experience limiting nursing homes due to some parts of societies inability to recognize the contribution that they and their carers have given this country in the past and still do.

We need to choose not to live in fear of this virus but to meet it with courage while supporting each other with all our different individual choices

sideswipe · 25-08-2020 09:06PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

Is Tipp high from meat food plant cluster?

Probably-

2 outbreaks close together in Tipp, a mushroom farm and a Larry Goodman meat plant. Positive case in the mushroom farm and the army is called in to test and the HSE involved every step of the way.
Outbrack at a Larry (Saul) Goodman plant and a private testing company brought in and HSE in the dark.

Old boys club rules.

owlbethere · 25-08-2020 09:30PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

It's looking okay if you are under 60 or so. Though no guarantees.
But I was thinking yesterday that it is not so rosy a future for that rather large demographic of people who used to pile into community centres once a week for a hot lunch and a natter at the old folks meet, nor is it great for their bingo games, or being visited in a nursing home, or for the seniors chair fitness sessions. No more off once a week on the local bus for the craic. Etc etc. There are a good many people in the world who are threatened by this. Not your age group, and they look a bit saggy, but still they are real people.

So far the virus hasn't reached the majority of the population. We also had something reported earlier from the mater of inflammation of the heart.

I really don't think many people realise the gravity of the situation if it reaches into more of the population and into the over 60s. Many people might still be in good shape in their 60s but their age might be against them. No one knows what way the virus will behave, if it lead to death for them. If it doesn't lead to death, there potential for the virus leaving people needing care. That might reduce the earning potential for any of the or offspring becoming carers or financial strain due to care costs.

If the virus doesn't result in death, it does have the potential to turn some lives upside down with parents becoming incapacitated as an example. We would be looking at young adults becoming carers to their parents and having reduced earning potential due to parents needing care or having a strain on finances due to care costs. Many of these parents in their 60s might still be in good condition but we don't know what way the virus will behave with them. That's far too young for a whole entire life changer.

Non solum non ambulabit · 25-08-2020 09:33PM

Boggles wrote: »

Positive?

I wouldn't go that far.

In the last 3 months in Ireland 7,500 people have died. What percentage are from Covid? I would say it is very positive compared to how this started. At the end April we all would have taken the amount of deaths we have now by the end of August. Positive.

hmmm · 25-08-2020 09:36PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

In the last 3 months in Ireland 7,500 people have died. What percentage are from Covid? I would say it is very positive compared to how this started. At the end April we all would have taken the amount of deaths we have now by the end of August. Positive.

Absolutely it's positive, but it's all due to the actions we took in response. Covid is still very dangerous for older people or those with pre-existing conditions, and there is still a lot we don't know about how it affects younger people. Wishful thinking about the virus "weakening" has no scientific basis.

We have this thing just about in a box, and we shouldn't be relaxing our hold on this box until such time as we have a vaccine to control it.

Non solum non ambulabit · 25-08-2020 09:40PM

hmmm wrote: »

Absolutely it's positive, but it's all due to the actions we took in response. Covid is still very dangerous for older people or those with pre-existing conditions, and there is still a lot we don't know about how it affects younger people. Wishful thinking about the virus "weakening" has no scientific basis.

We have this thing just about in a box, and we shouldn't be relaxing our hold on this box until such time as we have a vaccine to control it.

Agreed.

By the way don't put words in my mouth. I never said anything about wishful thinking, weakening or not treating this virus with respect. We all have played our part and continue to do so. But we can continue to do what we have been doing without living in constant fear and anxiety.

igCorcaigh · 25-08-2020 09:44PM

sideswipe wrote: »

Probably-

2 outbreaks close together in Tipp, a mushroom farm and a Larry Goodman meat plant. Positive case in the mushroom farm and the army is called in to test and the HSE involved every step of the way.
Outbrack at a Larry (Saul) Goodman plant and a private testing company brought in and HSE in the dark.
Old boys club rules.

Really? Aren't all test results reported to the HSE?

drunkmonkey · 25-08-2020 09:52PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHqz-Wk3hus

Professor Carl Heneghan
Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine and Director, Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Is this it, panic over..? Did Big Phil know before he left Roscommon?

froog · 25-08-2020 09:54PM

Boggles wrote: »

The WHO have stated that D614G is less deadly, really?

There is a study awaiting peer review from the Imperial College London that claims it isn't, there is other studies that disproved the claim that it was more deadly but just as deadly

Or are they talking about another variant?

no sorry if my post was unclear. i'm saying if the WHO declare the virus has weakened they have to be really really sure about it for obvious reasons.

polesheep · 25-08-2020 09:55PM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far the virus hasn't reached the majority of the population. We also had something reported earlier from the mater of inflammation of the heart.

I really don't think many people realise the gravity of the situation if it reaches into more of the population and into the over 60s. Many people might still be in good shape in their 60s but their age might be against them. No one knows what way the virus will behave, if it lead to death for them. If it doesn't lead to death, there potential for the virus leaving people needing care. That might reduce the earning potential for any of the or offspring becoming carers or financial strain due to care costs.

If the virus doesn't result in death, it does have the potential to turn some lives upside down with parents becoming incapacitated as an example. We would be looking at young adults becoming carers to their parents and having reduced earning potential due to parents needing care or having a strain on finances due to care costs. Many of these parents in their 60s might still be in good condition but we don't know what way the virus will behave with them. That's far too young for a whole entire life changer.

I really don't know how some people get out of bed in the morning.

sideswipe · 25-08-2020 09:55PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Really? Aren't all test results reported to the HSE?

Yes they are, but the timing of results is at the behest of a private company who are working for an infamous chancer.

JDD · 25-08-2020 09:56PM

You know the way they publish the stats regarding hospital admissions for Covid and ICU admissions and what not.. is there somewhere that they also do that for flu admissions? I'm not trying to make any comparisons or say "look, 6 admissions for flu and only 3 for covid!!" or anything. I just want to try and track flu hospital admissions along with covid admissions to get a better idea of how our health system is coping, and whether the social distancing/mask wearing/WFH is making a difference on the flu numbers.

SEPT 23 1989 · 25-08-2020 09:57PM

You would miss Holly

mcburns07 · 25-08-2020 09:58PM

owlbethere wrote: »

So far the virus hasn't reached the majority of the population. We also had something reported earlier from the mater of inflammation of the heart.

I really don't think many people realise the gravity of the situation if it reaches into more of the population and into the over 60s. Many people might still be in good shape in their 60s but their age might be against them. No one knows what way the virus will behave, if it lead to death for them. If it doesn't lead to death, there potential for the virus leaving people needing care. That might reduce the earning potential for any of the or offspring becoming carers or financial strain due to care costs.

If the virus doesn't result in death, it does have the potential to turn some lives upside down with parents becoming incapacitated as an example. We would be looking at young adults becoming carers to their parents and having reduced earning potential due to parents needing care or having a strain on finances due to care costs. Many of these parents in their 60s might still be in good condition but we don't know what way the virus will behave with them. That's far too young for a whole entire life changer.

Over 100 of the 700 odd cases in the last week have been people who are in their late 50s or older. People of all ages are getting it.

There seems to be this belief that hospitalisations and deaths have dropped off a cliff because older people are not getting infected......

Polar101 · 25-08-2020 09:58PM

JDD wrote: »

I just want to try and track flu hospital admissions along with covid admissions to get a better idea of how our health system is coping, and whether the social distancing/mask wearing/WFH is making a difference on the flu numbers.

HSE briefings sometimes list the number of free hospital beds.
I'm not an expert, but would there be any flu admissions during the summer? Might have to wait for the flu season.

lawrencesummers · 25-08-2020 10:00PM

I’ve said it a hundred times. University lecturers are some of the dumbest people ive ever met. The alternative reality they occupy is so far removed from reality and steadily enforced by their own egos that they haven’t a clue.

Some a really good mind you.

drunkmonkey · 25-08-2020 10:06PM

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Some a really good mind you.

He's one of them.

GazzaL · 25-08-2020 10:06PM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHqz-Wk3hus

Professor Carl Heneghan
Professor of Evidence-Based Medicine and Director, Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Is this it, panic over..? Did Big Phil know before he left Roscommon?

Big Phil is well clued in. It wouldn't surprise me if he was aware of all the latest facts. The no-evidence Dublin media are a disgrace for creating a circus about a man playing a game of golf and the extreme negativity the have inflicted on the public since the beginning of the pandemic.

froog · 25-08-2020 10:06PM

Deleted User wrote: »

The virus does not get weaker. A strain may emerge with milder symptoms, but at that point you would have no guarantee the milder version will become the more prevalent version

yes i know how it works. it's quicker to say "the virus is weakening" than "the newer less virulent strain is outcompeting the preceding more virulent strain"

speckle · 25-08-2020 10:06PM

JDD wrote: »

You know the way they publish the stats regarding hospital admissions for Covid and ICU admissions and what not.. is there somewhere that they also do that for flu admissions? I'm not trying to make any comparisons or say "look, 6 admissions for flu and only 3 for covid!!" or anything. I just want to try and track flu hospital admissions along with covid admissions to get a better idea of how our health system is coping, and whether the social distancing/mask wearing/WFH is making a difference on the flu numbers.

the nearest to that
https://www.hpsc.ie/a-z/respiratory/influenza/seasonalinfluenza/surveillance/influenzasurveillancereports/

Covid 19 Part XXII-30,360 in ROI(1,781 deaths) 8,035 in NI (568 deaths)(10/09)Read OP

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