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McMurphy · 25-08-2020 01:30AM

joseywhales wrote: »

I mentioned it because members of government had a duty to attend a murdered garda's funeral. It was their job to attend. No such official requirement for bobby storey. Now both should have had restrictions respected in my opinion but for one of the men their was a duty to attend.

The difference is some of us know it would have been expected for certain people to have paid their respects to Garda Horkan, by attending his funeral.

Some of us also know that a funeral is a very emotive event, mourners can be absent minded for obvious reasons, and so a blind eye could be turned to certain covid restrictions not being fully adhered to, to the letter of the law so to speak.

Some however want their cake and to be left in peace to eat it, expecting one side to resign or be fired for something others are doing, but they apparently can be excused.

For the record, I don't agree with how Storey's funeral was handled, but he was a very popular figure within Sinn Fein, and the sheer numbers of mourners in attendance is evident of that fact.

The mourners seen breaking the social distancing guidelines were wrong for breaking them but it was a funeral, and therefore a temporary blind eye should be turned.

I apply the same standards to the mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, that isn't wanting to give anyone special treatment over the other - it's me saying both cannot be treated any differently to the other.

It's the exact opposite of what a few on here are thing to suggest. It's uncomfortable for them, but they'll have to suck it up.

Bishop of hope · 25-08-2020 07:42AM

McMurphy wrote: »

The difference is some of us know it would have been expected for certain people to have paid their respects to Garda Horkan, by attending his funeral.

Some of us also know that a funeral is a very emotive event, mourners can be absent minded for obvious reasons, and so a blind eye could be turned to certain covid restrictions not being fully adhered to, to the letter of the law so to speak.

Some however want their cake and to be left in peace to eat it, expecting one side to resign or be fired for something others are doing, but they apparently can be excused.

For the record, I don't agree with how Storey's funeral was handled, but he was a very popular figure within Sinn Fein, and the sheer numbers of mourners in attendance is evident of that fact.

The mourners seen breaking the social distancing guidelines were wrong for breaking them but it was a funeral, and therefore a temporary blind eye should be turned.

I apply the same standards to the mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, that isn't wanting to give anyone special treatment over the other - it's me saying both cannot be treated any differently to the other.

It's the exact opposite of what a few on here are thing to suggest. It's uncomfortable for them, but they'll have to suck it up.

God how do yiz lads keep going without sleep?

Of course I hope all this civility around Funerals doesn't come back to bite yiz in the arse!
If the midnight oil is being burned now yiz will be wrecked before aera wrongdoing is confirmed at all.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/call-for-psni-to-release-details-on-probe-into-storey-funeral-row-39475333.html

Scoundrel · 25-08-2020 10:19AM

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1298201378951749632?s=19

Hopefully this will be the end of that boil on the arse of humanity Phil Hogan.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 10:25AM

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1298204290012643328

Who here agrees that any journalist sent to interview him should declare publicly that they have never attended an event like the Oireachtas Golf event?

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 10:30AM

McMurphy wrote: »

Ahem..

And you didn't answer the question regardless. Let's try again.

Yes or no please..

In your view, the virus doesn't circulate in Lanzarote among lowly councillors from Monaghan, so excuse the rest of us, if we ignore your double standards on the circulation of the virus.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 10:49AM

The distinct impression has been given by Leo, Michael and now von der Leyen that there is more and more out there.

L&M gave him latitude to resign and he wouldn't and now VDL is doing the same.
The net is closing.

How this is being compared to a beer in the park, or the breaching of social distancing at funerals is beyond me.

This is about an outright challenge to the state and any notions of accountability by rogue members of FG and judicial appointees of FG.

Truthvader · 25-08-2020 11:17AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The distinct impression has been given by Leo, Michael and now von der Leyen that there is more and more out there.

L&M gave him latitude to resign and he wouldn't and now VDL is doing the same.
The net is closing.

How this is being compared to a beer in the park, or the breaching of social distancing at funerals is beyond me.

This is about an outright challenge to the state and any notions of accountability by rogue members of FG and judicial appointees of FG.

Really "an outright challenge to the State"?

A man frothing at the mouth with rage and hysteria because of a Golf Outing. The same man spends every other waking hour here justifying , excusing and celebrating a campaign of murder and thuggery and promoting the laughable collection of thugs, con artists and charlatans in Sinn Fein but the Golf Outing is the "challenge to the State".

What happened to the chimp sneering "we broke the Free State"?

Think Hogan and Woulfe should go as their behaviour is below the standard expected but the screams of vengeance from a party with no standards at all is just a sick joke

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 11:21AM

Truthvader wrote: »

Really "an outright challenge to the State"?

A man frothing at the mouth with rage and hysteria because of a Golf Outing. The same man spends every other waking hour here justifying , excusing and celebrating a campaign of murder and thuggery and promoting the laughable collection of thugs, con artists and charlatans in Sinn Fein but the Golf Outing is the "challenge to the State".

What happened to the chimp sneering "we broke the Free State"?

Think Hogan and Woulfe should go as their behaviour is below the standard expected but the screams of vengeance from a party with no standards at all is just a sick joke

I have been quite clear and consistent about my reasons for voting for SF.
They had a 'bar' to reach before I voted for them...I have posted quite a bit on this.

You cannot keep pointing to SF during this crisis for the state...it has gone well beyond issues around Covid 19.

I.E. Deflection will not cut it.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 11:22AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

God how do yiz lads keep going without sleep?

Of course I hope all this civility around Funerals doesn't come back to bite yiz in the arse!
If the midnight oil is being burned now yiz will be wrecked before aera wrongdoing is confirmed at all.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/call-for-psni-to-release-details-on-probe-into-storey-funeral-row-39475333.html

You seem confused. The query is why be critical of one funeral thats not socially distanced but not another? I've repeatedly stated the Garda, Flano, Ring, MLMD and MON should have socially distanced. Thats a done deal IMO, all remains are the few hypocrites condemn one but not the other. Using one to deflect from the golf piss up.

smurgen · 25-08-2020 11:24AM

Looks like the events are being interpreted well in the German press!

https://twitter.com/TVsCarlKinsella/status/1298188461174816768?s=19

James Brown · 25-08-2020 11:26AM

Scoundrel wrote: »

https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1298201378951749632?s=19

Hopefully this will be the end of that boil on the arse of humanity Phil Hogan.

once again the only possibility of being held to account must come from abroad.
I await the results of the Project Eagle investigation too.

Hawthorn Tree · 25-08-2020 11:29AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The distinct impression has been given by Leo, Michael and now von der Leyen that there is more and more out there.

L&M gave him latitude to resign and he wouldn't and now VDL is doing the same.
The net is closing.

How this is being compared to a beer in the park, or the breaching of social distancing at funerals is beyond me.

This is about an outright challenge to the state and any notions of accountability by rogue members of FG and judicial appointees of FG.

My guess is he stayed a night in Kildare before the trip to Galway.
He also did not stay the night in the Station House hotel - he had the dinner and then went to another better hotel (Abbeyglen or Ballynahinch) to sleep.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 11:32AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The distinct impression has been given by Leo, Michael and now von der Leyen that there is more and more out there.

L&M gave him latitude to resign and he wouldn't and now VDL is doing the same.
The net is closing.

How this is being compared to a beer in the park, or the breaching of social distancing at funerals is beyond me.

This is about an outright challenge to the state and any notions of accountability by rogue members of FG and judicial appointees of FG.

Its dishonesty Francie. Those making the comparison between the storey funeral and the golf piss up refuse to compare both funerals.
Its because the hits keep coming and rather than honestly discuss them they choose parlour games.
Thankfully we have the EU and other outside parties to keep FF/FG in check to some extent. As the golf piss up showed the elites are in bed together and ignorant towards the public good. 'They're all in this together'.

markodaly · 25-08-2020 11:35AM

Bishop of hope wrote: »

God how do yiz lads keep going without sleep?

Of course I hope all this civility around Funerals doesn't come back to bite yiz in the arse!
If the midnight oil is being burned now yiz will be wrecked before aera wrongdoing is confirmed at all.

https://m.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/call-for-psni-to-release-details-on-probe-into-storey-funeral-row-39475333.html

Poor David 'up da ra!' Cullinane wont last long in this game with these gaffs.

An external senior police officer was appointed to oversee the investigation after claims that Sinn Fein deputy First Minister Michelle O'Neill and Finance Minister Conor Murphy went against public health advice at the event in west Belfast on June 30.

Sinn Fein has also been accused of double standards in recent days, after TD David Cullinane said any ministers breaking public health guidelines should resign.

Is David looking for the resignation of SF NI ministers so? Did he get the OK from the boys in West Belfast first? :pac:

Muahahaha · 25-08-2020 11:40AM

McMurphy wrote: »

I apply the same standards to the mourners at Garda Horkans funeral, that isn't wanting to give anyone special treatment over the other - it's me saying both cannot be treated any differently to the other.

It's the exact opposite of what a few on here are thing to suggest. It's uncomfortable for them, but they'll have to suck it up.

Just to sum up the Blueshirt position on this now

Bobby Storey funeral -no social distancing - Mary Lou needs to resign
Garda funeral - no social distancing - Charlie Flanagan doesnt need to resign
The hypocrisy is self evident.

Fair play to you McMurphy for putting up the photos of Charlie Flanagan and senior Gardai not social distancing, theres lots of hand wringing going on now. It has exposed that the Blueshorts arent bothered about social distancing at all, they just have an unhealthy obsession with Sinn Fein that brings the hypocrite out in them.

Unless Im proven wrong and they are calling for Charlie Flanagan to resign? Somehow I doubt it, clearly whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander :rolleyes:

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 11:43AM

Bowie wrote: »

Its dishonesty Francie. Those making the comparison between the storey funeral and the golf piss up refuse to compare both funerals.
Its because the hits keep coming and rather than honestly discuss them they choose parlour games.
Thankfully we have the EU and other outside parties to keep FF/FG in check to some extent. As the golf piss up showed the elites are in bed together and ignorant towards the public good. 'They're all in this together'.

Watching them stamping their feet and insisting a breach of social distancing guidelines at a funeral is the same as what has gone on here has been entertaining, I have to say.

But this is a serious challenge to the state IMO and it has to be played right or we will never end the cronyism and golden circles.
The interconnectedness of those at the top in this country has to be tackled and parameters and lines in the sand redrawn.

RandomViewer · 25-08-2020 11:43AM

Bowie wrote: »

once again the only possibility of being held to account must come from abroad.
I await the results of the Project Eagle investigation too.

Baldy is either dead or dying, the rest are in non extradition countries, money's gone with no hope of retrieval all we can do is gather up whatever NAMA staff we can link to it and throw them in prison for twenty years.

Brendan Bendar · 25-08-2020 11:44AM

markodaly wrote: »

Poor David 'up da ra!' Cullinane wont last long in this game with these gaffs.

Is David looking for the resignation of SF NI ministers so? Did he get the OK from the boys in West Belfast first? :pac:

Poor Dottser in a spot of bother here.........

Hawthorn Tree · 25-08-2020 11:45AM

I wonder why we haven't seen photos from the Clifden Elite coronaparty? Cameras banned?

RandomViewer · 25-08-2020 11:47AM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I wonder why we haven't seen photos from the Clifden Elite coronaparty? Cameras banned?

The +8s and +10s would cause a lot of red faces.

Truthvader · 25-08-2020 11:48AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have been quite clear and consistent about my reasons for voting for SF.
They had a 'bar' to reach before I voted for them...I have posted quite a bit on this.

You cannot keep pointing to SF during this crisis for the state...it has gone well beyond issues around Covid 19.

I.E. Deflection will not cut it.

As per previous threads I invite everyone to access your posting history to judge for themselves what you are prepared to justify and glorify

Also, no deflection; I think Hogan and Woulfe should go

blanch152 · 25-08-2020 11:53AM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The distinct impression has been given by Leo, Michael and now von der Leyen that there is more and more out there.

L&M gave him latitude to resign and he wouldn't and now VDL is doing the same.
The net is closing.

How this is being compared to a beer in the park, or the breaching of social distancing at funerals is beyond me.

This is about an outright challenge to the state and any notions of accountability by rogue members of FG and judicial appointees of FG.

I think you have lost the plot here completely.

L&M have no authority over him, and just like anybody else in that position, he can give the two fingers to them - for another example think of MON's reaction to calls from the South for her to consider her position after her actions at the Storey political rally.

As for VDL, she can sack him, what she is doing is part of a process to give him enough rope to climb out of the hole he is in if he can or hang himself if he can't.

Silly hyperbole about outright challenges to the state from those who support Garda killers is laughable.

FrancieBrady · 25-08-2020 11:55AM

Truthvader wrote: »

As per previous threads I invite everyone to access your posting history to judge for themselves what you are prepared to justify and glorify

Also, no deflection; I think Hogan and Woulfe should go

And I will ask you to post one of these posts where I 'justified or glorified' any of the violence in the conflict/war.

Come on Truthvader...live up to your name here...you have made this accusation several times.

McMurphy · 25-08-2020 11:56AM

Muahahaha wrote: »

Just to sum up the Blueshirt position on this now

Bobby Storey funeral -no social distancing - Mary Lou needs to resign
Garda funeral - no social distancing - Charlie Flanagan doesnt need to resign
The hypocrisy is self evident.

Fair play to you McMurphy for putting up the photos of Charlie Flanagan and senior Gardai not social distancing, theres lots of hand wringing going on now. It has exposed that the Blueshorts arent bothered about social distancing at all, they just have an unhealthy obsession with Sinn Fein that brings the hypocrite out in them.

Unless Im proven wrong and they are calling for Charlie Flanagan to resign? Somehow I doubt it, clearly whats good for the goose isnt good for the gander :rolleyes:

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Would this be considered a breach of the social distancing guidelines? I've asked repeatedly, yet no-one seems to want to answer it.

Why do folks think MON or MLMD need to resign or be fired - but Flanagan/Ring don't?

Has anyone cleared it up yet?

I'm of the opinion both instance's were wrong - but I'm willing to overlook it, seeing as it's a funeral we're talking about here.

Somehow that is hypocritical of me, that they're both overlooked **shrugs**?

When I was going to school hypocrisy obviously meant something different back then than it does nowadays.

Further - you will see in numerous posts where I'm being compared with "Phil Hogan excuses" or "Sinn Fein Phil" - with what I can only assume is some kind of intended slur, or that poster's insinuation that Phil Hogan is lying, and his excuses are a load of baloney.

I assume they've a load of posts about Phil I in the Clifden threads, and aren't posting solely in other threads trying to make Sinn Fein comparisons, because that would be mad altogether Ted.

Muahahaha · 25-08-2020 12:10PM

McMurphy wrote: »

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Would this be considered a breach of the social distancing guidelines? I've asked repeatedly, yet no-one seems to want to answer it.

There is no two ways about it, Charlie Flanagan and Michael Ring are practically holding hands in that photo.

I'm of the opinion both instance's were wrong - but I'm willing to overlook it, seeing as it's a funeral we're talking about here.

Somehow that is hypocritical of me, that they're both overlooked **shrugs**?

Would be of the same opinion, it shouldnt have happened but it did but given its a funeral and people are upset allowances have to be made.

Im just shocked that posters on here would go so low in the first place as to use a funeral to score political points against SF and I would prefer that we weren't even discussing Garda Horkan's funeral out of respect. But we are because the hypocrisy of Blueshirts is now self evident and it has to be called out.

As for any of this being in any way comparable to what went on in Clifden well only an idiot would try to draw that comparison. Funerals and glorified golfing piss ups are not the same thing. FG party members went down to Clifden to go drinking on a jolly, there is no excusing what they did when the entire nation had made sacrifices for the last six months, its a massive slap in the face to the electorate.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 12:13PM

McMurphy wrote: »

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Would this be considered a breach of the social distancing guidelines? I've asked repeatedly, yet no-one seems to want to answer it.

Why do folks think MON or MLMD need to resign or be fired - but Flanagan/Ring don't?

Has anyone cleared it up yet?

I'm of the opinion both instance's were wrong - but I'm willing to overlook it, seeing as it's a funeral we're talking about here.

Somehow that is hypocritical of me, that they're both overlooked **shrugs**?

When I was going to school hypocrisy obviously meant something different back then than it does nowadays.

Further - you will see in numerous posts where I'm being compared with "Phil Hogan excuses" or "Sinn Fein Phil" - with what I can only assume is some kind of intended slur, or that poster's insinuation that Phil Hogan is lying, and his excuses are a load of baloney.

I assume they've a load of posts about Phil I in the Clifden threads, and aren't posting solely in other threads trying to make Sinn Fein comparisons, because that would be mad altogether Ted.

The slurs and attacks are all some have in their bag. I suppose they are socially distancing from Phil. Anyone causing the party upset is a shinner don't you know so Phil must be a shinner...and Leo #WLM Varadkar I'd imagine.

Truthvader · 25-08-2020 01:23PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And I will ask you to post one of these posts where I 'justified or glorified' any of the violence in the conflict/war.

Come on Truthvader...live up to your name here...you have made this accusation several times.

Well here you are a couple of weeks ago happily celebrating the "results" of the murder of children in Warrington - albeit with the usual Sinn Fein pretendy distancing "you don't have to be a fan of IRA".

Indeed, but sure it worked anyway.

As before anyone can go through your posting history and see for themselves the tide of doublespeak, justification and denial on all Sinn Fein/ IRA topics.

And all for what? You failed on another thread to identify one single "right" that the GFA had secured for Nationalists. The Criminals and thugs on all sides got away with murder. Only Sinn Fein think that is a "right"

Originally Posted by markodaly View Post
No, the question I actually asked was, how did the murder of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy help Nationalists in the North.

All I got was world-class 'Whataboutism' and some long-winded defence of that bombing.
As per this post, going on about atomic bombs in WWII Japan.
And you got told how it helped 'nationalism' but you are in denial about it so you keep asking the question. Sad stuff really.

The IRA brought the campaign to the British and they got results...look at the timeline...look at the commentary.
You don't have to be a fan of the IRA to see that it worked.

Scoundrel · 25-08-2020 01:27PM

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1298245502069362689?s=19

Jesus christ did the bould Phil ever stop travelling?? That must be the clean sweep of Covid rules broken now?

James Brown · 25-08-2020 01:30PM

Truthvader wrote: »

Well here you are a couple of weeks ago happily celebrating the "results" of the murder of children in Warrington - albeit with the usual Sinn Fein pretendy distancing "you don't have to be a fan of IRA".

Indeed, but sure it worked anyway.

As before anyone can go through your posting history and see for themselves the tide of doublespeak, justification and denial on all Sinn Fein/ IRA topics.

And all for what? You failed on another thread to identify one single "right" that the GFA had secured for Nationalists. The Criminals and thugs on all sides got away with murder. Only Sinn Fein think that is a "right"

Originally Posted by markodaly View Post
No, the question I actually asked was, how did the murder of a 3-year-old toddler and 12-year-old boy help Nationalists in the North.

All I got was world-class 'Whataboutism' and some long-winded defence of that bombing.
As per this post, going on about atomic bombs in WWII Japan.
And you got told how it helped 'nationalism' but you are in denial about it so you keep asking the question. Sad stuff really.

The IRA brought the campaign to the British and they got results...look at the timeline...look at the commentary.
You don't have to be a fan of the IRA to see that it worked.

You're quoting the unfounded or backed up criticism of a poster with validity issues to back up your unfounded or backed up claim on Francie, because, and lets be honest, FF/FG are getting hammered because of their own actions and you'd rather not have it discussed. That's Fox news/Trump level stuff.

James Brown · 25-08-2020 01:33PM

Scoundrel wrote: »

https://twitter.com/McConnellDaniel/status/1298245502069362689?s=19

Jesus christ did the bould Phil ever stop travelling?? That must be the clean sweep of Covid rules broken now?

He has a stash of important papers in many a borough

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