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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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  • #3422
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Leroy42 wrote: »
    Surely after 4 years he has worked out a plan of how to deal with this all powerful deep state? Seems that he hasn't addressed that at all so why would you think he has any ability to achieve any of that since he has been completely held back by the same deep state the last four years?

    Seems a very odd final line to put in for someone you want to reelect, that you would acknowldge their complete ability to get anything done.

    These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

    He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )


  • #3423
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,056 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Biker79 wrote:
    These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).


    Good work! I'd say the chap has never done a days work in his life


  • #3424
    jamule
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 933 ✭✭✭jamule


    Biker79 wrote: »
    These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

    He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

    Are 'these people' the criminals he keeps hiring?


  • #3425
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    It's rather disturbing that his supporters don't see the damage this chap is doing, how he actually doesn't care for anyone bar himself, it's disturbing to see how easy such a destructive person can be elevated to a position of power! Biden is dreadful, but he's a hell of a lot better than this chap

    They are two very weak candidates. One being worse doesn't excuse the other.

    I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.


  • #3426
    francois
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,598 ✭✭✭francois


    Kimberly Guilfoyle's rant was particularly unhinged. Very little speeches in the way of mending the faultlines in the US. All doom and gloom, with a dose of reds under the beds thrown in for good measure.
    Seems like they are going all-out culture war.


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  • #3427
    Biker79
    Closed Accounts Posts: 794 ✭✭✭Biker79


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Good work! I'd say the chap has never done a days work in his life

    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.


  • #3428
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,056 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Gerry Hatrick wrote:
    I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump din't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.


    Completely agree actually, I think Biden will get it, but just about, I can't see him walking away with it, trumps support is very strong, and they will come out in force, and then there's the gaffs....


  • #3429
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Looks fantastic - especially the great work he has been doing on human trafficking and not pandering to the military industrial complex/ overseas conflict.

    I agree with him about Tech. Culturally, its hasn't offered much value with social media proving to be more destructive than otherwise. Although his plans for space exploration should take tech in a new direction. Thats all good.

    Certainly agree about cracking down on militant leftists and their nihilist associates. Hopefully cities like San Fran/ LA/ Portland etc, can restore to some semblance of normality.

    Everything on that list is great. The question is...what roadblocks will the mindless bureaucracy of the Deep State throw in his way?

    You mean Obama's plans. Trump is just rebranding and trying to claim programs started under Obama (after George W. Bush decimated discs exploration such as cancelling the shuttle without any realistic replacement program) as his own.


  • #3430
    randd1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,350 ✭✭✭randd1


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    That sounds more Ceausescu level of delusion to the reality.


  • #3431
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,056 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Biker79 wrote:
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.


    The truth is, he's actually not, it's clearly obvious, he's actually a conman, always has been, he's just a bigger one now, and he has fooled millions globally, including some irish, it's also clearly obvious, he's in it for himself, all the hiring and firing is about protecting himself from investigations, particularly after his presidency, it has nothing to do about the American people at all.


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  • #3432
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    The talking points are being distributed early today.


  • #3433
    Cody montana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭Cody montana


    namloc1980 wrote: »
    This is bananas.

    .

    This was prerecorded as well.


  • #3434
    Penn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,715 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Biker79 wrote: »
    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    I take it you've never seen his Twitter account...


  • #3435
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    strength of character? he whines like a child at the slightest criticism.


  • #3436
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,071 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Biker79 wrote: »
    These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

    He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

    Who are these people, why has he not dealt with them already? It was a pledge in 2016, not only that he would do it but that in fact he was the only one who could do it.

    Yet apparently they have proved to be far stronger and better than Trump imagined and, in effect, he is accepting that he has failed to deal with the at this stage.

    So he wants another four years to try to do the thing he promised he would do the last time. But based on what? What new approach? What does he know now that he didn't then? Why not do it today? SUrely if the deep state is so terrible and bad, waiting until a possible reelection is akin to knowing the country is in trouble but sitting on his hands.

    What has he achieved that shows he has learnt how to deal with them?


  • #3437
    mcmoustache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,237 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    Biker79 wrote: »
    These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

    He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

    Read that again and ask yourself if it doesn't sound like something that a reasonable and informed person would say. This is the same shíte spouted by lackeys of every cult of personality from South America to 70's Europe to North Korea.

    You're only convincing yourself at this stage.


  • #3438
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    They are two very weak candidates. One being worse doesn't excuse the other.

    I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.

    You could be right - However the problem for Trump is that there are almost no undecided voters left.

    In 2016 there was a huge swathe of undecided voters that ultimately broke for Trump.

    They don't exist this time around - Both candidates are a known quantity and virtually everyone has formed an opinion already. There really aren't very many people left who haven't decided if they love or hate Trump yet.

    Even if every currently "undecided" voter went with Trump , he'd still lose.


  • #3439
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 41,898 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    He's a con man, a liar, a narcissist, a bigot and a colossal f*ckup whose inherited wealth protects him from the consequences of running business after business into the ground.

    I'm not sure why so many people have signed up to a cult based on someone so moronic and incapable of even the most basic of tasks.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • #3440
    duploelabs
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,031 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    Work ethic?? We've all seen his daily schedule, can't recall any other president having executive time


  • #3441
    Carfacemandog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,044 ✭✭✭Carfacemandog


    I'm equal parts amused and be used at his much everyone is feeding "the latest incarnation".


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  • #3442
    extra gravy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,264 ✭✭✭✭extra gravy


    "Work ethic". He works hard on his golf swing alright.


  • #3443
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,071 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    Biker79 wrote: »
    He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

    That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

    But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

    Not so common these days.

    You could use the exact same arguments for Biden though. A season politician, clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive.

    Has withstood the furnace of GoP during the eight years of VP, and instead of decrying the Deep State managed to get through the Healthcare Act, so good that neither Trump of the entire GoP could think of anything better.

    I assume you are torn on you to vote for!


  • #3444
    Quin_Dub
    Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Here's the thing about all the Trump arguments about "The Deep State" and all the supposed Criminals between Clinton , Obama , Comey and everybody else.

    Let's imagine a scenario where it's all true - All the claims they make about criminality and corruption are true.

    What does the fact that not a single person has been convicted of a crime say about the effectiveness and abilities of the GOP?

    They've been going on about this in one form or another for years , yet despite holding all 3 branches of Government for 2 years and still holding the White House , the Senate and having filled the Judicial benches with "friendly" judges they haven't managed to achieve ANYTHING in their fight against this evil cabal.

    There are really only two possible conclusions that one can come to on that basis.

    Either

    None of it is true and they are just whiny idiots looking to blame anyone and everything for their own failings.

    OR

    It is True but they are utterly incapable of doing anything about it due to their chronic ineffectiveness and incompetence.

    Neither is a good reflection on the GOP now is it?


  • #3445
    namloc1980
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,462 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    Biker79 wrote: »
    Looks fantastic - especially the great work he has been doing on human trafficking and not pandering to the military industrial complex/ overseas conflict.

    Apart from the fact he's massively increased military spending over the last 3 years. :pac:


  • #3446
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    "A seasoned businessman" who won't publish his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so. This is fun.


  • #3447
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,610 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    To be honest, you can rebut Biker and Outlaw Pete and Kidmach all day long but the only thing Trump fans will understand is losing. All of the pro Trump / pro Brexit stuff ultimately revolves back to 'well we won and you can't take it'. So the only thing that will rebut it in the end is a) a decisive electoral victory supplanted by b) people taking to the streets after that electoral victory to make it clear in no uncertain terms that they expect the result to be honoured and implemented.

    That's it. Win at all costs and all of these Trump voters and their disingenuous arguments will be gone for good.


  • #3448
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,173 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    "A seasoned businessman" who won't publish his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so. This is fun.
    He is not required to do so.


  • #3449
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He is not required to do so.

    But he repeatdly promised he would. And wouldn't it disprove the assertion that he's a failed businessman? Truth is, he got a massive loan from his father to start his business career, his father then went guarantor for loans, then his father bailed him out when his casinos were tanking. Plus it would show that the NYT are liars when they say he's up to his neck in debt. He should publish and show how fabulous he is at being a businessman. Because right now it looks like he has the business acumen of a headless chicken.


  • #3450
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,935 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    ELM327 wrote: »
    He is not required to do so.

    apart from the subpoena you are probably right.


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  • #3451
    ELM327
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,173 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    But he repeatdly promised he would. And wouldn't it disprove the assertion that he's a failed businessman? Truth is, he got a massive loan from his father to start his business career, his father then went guarantor for loans, then his father bailed him out when his casinos were tanking. Plus it would show that the NYT are liars when they say he's up to his neck in debt. He should publish and show how fabulous he is at being a businessman. Because right now it looks like he has the business acumen of a headless chicken.
    He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.
    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    apart from the subpoena you are probably right.
    I'm sure if it is legally required then he will have to publish.


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