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2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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ELM327

frag420 wrote: »

Define small loan?

Trump has defined it as $1mn.
Which in the super rich circles he and his father run in, would likely be a small loan for business purposes.

frag420

ELM327 wrote: »

He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.

I'm sure if it is legally required then he will have to publish.

Define small loan?

ELM327

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

But he repeatdly promised he would. And wouldn't it disprove the assertion that he's a failed businessman? Truth is, he got a massive loan from his father to start his business career, his father then went guarantor for loans, then his father bailed him out when his casinos were tanking. Plus it would show that the NYT are liars when they say he's up to his neck in debt. He should publish and show how fabulous he is at being a businessman. Because right now it looks like he has the business acumen of a headless chicken.

He got a small loan and took advantage of bankruptcy laws. If he's still using that to avoid paying taxes that makes him smart.

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

apart from the subpoena you are probably right.

I'm sure if it is legally required then he will have to publish.

ohnonotgmail

ELM327 wrote: »

He is not required to do so.

apart from the subpoena you are probably right.

Professor Moriarty

ELM327 wrote: »

He is not required to do so.

But he repeatdly promised he would. And wouldn't it disprove the assertion that he's a failed businessman? Truth is, he got a massive loan from his father to start his business career, his father then went guarantor for loans, then his father bailed him out when his casinos were tanking. Plus it would show that the NYT are liars when they say he's up to his neck in debt. He should publish and show how fabulous he is at being a businessman. Because right now it looks like he has the business acumen of a headless chicken.

ELM327

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

"A seasoned businessman" who won't publish his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so. This is fun.

He is not required to do so.

LuckyLloyd

To be honest, you can rebut Biker and Outlaw Pete and Kidmach all day long but the only thing Trump fans will understand is losing. All of the pro Trump / pro Brexit stuff ultimately revolves back to 'well we won and you can't take it'. So the only thing that will rebut it in the end is a) a decisive electoral victory supplanted by b) people taking to the streets after that electoral victory to make it clear in no uncertain terms that they expect the result to be honoured and implemented.

That's it. Win at all costs and all of these Trump voters and their disingenuous arguments will be gone for good.

Professor Moriarty

"A seasoned businessman" who won't publish his tax returns despite repeated promises to do so. This is fun.

namloc1980

Biker79 wrote: »

Looks fantastic - especially the great work he has been doing on human trafficking and not pandering to the military industrial complex/ overseas conflict.

Apart from the fact he's massively increased military spending over the last 3 years. :pac:

Quin_Dub

Here's the thing about all the Trump arguments about "The Deep State" and all the supposed Criminals between Clinton , Obama , Comey and everybody else.

Let's imagine a scenario where it's all true - All the claims they make about criminality and corruption are true.

What does the fact that not a single person has been convicted of a crime say about the effectiveness and abilities of the GOP?

They've been going on about this in one form or another for years , yet despite holding all 3 branches of Government for 2 years and still holding the White House , the Senate and having filled the Judicial benches with "friendly" judges they haven't managed to achieve ANYTHING in their fight against this evil cabal.

There are really only two possible conclusions that one can come to on that basis.

Either

None of it is true and they are just whiny idiots looking to blame anyone and everything for their own failings.

OR

It is True but they are utterly incapable of doing anything about it due to their chronic ineffectiveness and incompetence.

Neither is a good reflection on the GOP now is it?

Leroy42

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

You could use the exact same arguments for Biden though. A season politician, clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive.

Has withstood the furnace of GoP during the eight years of VP, and instead of decrying the Deep State managed to get through the Healthcare Act, so good that neither Trump of the entire GoP could think of anything better.

I assume you are torn on you to vote for!

extra gravy

"Work ethic". He works hard on his golf swing alright.

Carfacemandog

I'm equal parts amused and be used at his much everyone is feeding "the latest incarnation".

duploelabs

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

Work ethic?? We've all seen his daily schedule, can't recall any other president having executive time

ancapailldorcha

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

He's a con man, a liar, a narcissist, a bigot and a colossal f*ckup whose inherited wealth protects him from the consequences of running business after business into the ground.

I'm not sure why so many people have signed up to a cult based on someone so moronic and incapable of even the most basic of tasks.

Quin_Dub

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

They are two very weak candidates. One being worse doesn't excuse the other.

I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.

You could be right - However the problem for Trump is that there are almost no undecided voters left.

In 2016 there was a huge swathe of undecided voters that ultimately broke for Trump.

They don't exist this time around - Both candidates are a known quantity and virtually everyone has formed an opinion already. There really aren't very many people left who haven't decided if they love or hate Trump yet.

Even if every currently "undecided" voter went with Trump , he'd still lose.

mcmoustache

Biker79 wrote: »

These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

Read that again and ask yourself if it doesn't sound like something that a reasonable and informed person would say. This is the same shíte spouted by lackeys of every cult of personality from South America to 70's Europe to North Korea.

You're only convincing yourself at this stage.

Leroy42

Biker79 wrote: »

These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

Who are these people, why has he not dealt with them already? It was a pledge in 2016, not only that he would do it but that in fact he was the only one who could do it.

Yet apparently they have proved to be far stronger and better than Trump imagined and, in effect, he is accepting that he has failed to deal with the at this stage.

So he wants another four years to try to do the thing he promised he would do the last time. But based on what? What new approach? What does he know now that he didn't then? Why not do it today? SUrely if the deep state is so terrible and bad, waiting until a possible reelection is akin to knowing the country is in trouble but sitting on his hands.

What has he achieved that shows he has learnt how to deal with them?

ohnonotgmail

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

strength of character? he whines like a child at the slightest criticism.

Penn

Biker79 wrote: »

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

I take it you've never seen his Twitter account...

Cody montana

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is bananas.

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This was prerecorded as well.

namloc1980

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

The talking points are being distributed early today.

Wanderer78

Biker79 wrote:

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

The truth is, he's actually not, it's clearly obvious, he's actually a conman, always has been, he's just a bigger one now, and he has fooled millions globally, including some irish, it's also clearly obvious, he's in it for himself, all the hiring and firing is about protecting himself from investigations, particularly after his presidency, it has nothing to do about the American people at all.

randd1

Biker79 wrote: »

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

That sounds more Ceausescu level of delusion to the reality.

namloc1980

Biker79 wrote: »

Looks fantastic - especially the great work he has been doing on human trafficking and not pandering to the military industrial complex/ overseas conflict.

I agree with him about Tech. Culturally, its hasn't offered much value with social media proving to be more destructive than otherwise. Although his plans for space exploration should take tech in a new direction. Thats all good.

Certainly agree about cracking down on militant leftists and their nihilist associates. Hopefully cities like San Fran/ LA/ Portland etc, can restore to some semblance of normality.

Everything on that list is great. The question is...what roadblocks will the mindless bureaucracy of the Deep State throw in his way?

You mean Obama's plans. Trump is just rebranding and trying to claim programs started under Obama (after George W. Bush decimated discs exploration such as cancelling the shuttle without any realistic replacement program) as his own.

Wanderer78

Gerry Hatrick wrote:

I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump din't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.

Completely agree actually, I think Biden will get it, but just about, I can't see him walking away with it, trumps support is very strong, and they will come out in force, and then there's the gaffs....

Biker79

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Good work! I'd say the chap has never done a days work in his life

He is a seasoned businessman, who became president of the US.

That is about as clear evidence of competence, work ethic and drive as you'll get.

But its his ability to withstand the blast furnace of irrational hatred that I find particularly impressive. It suggests a rare strength of character.

Not so common these days.

francois

Kimberly Guilfoyle's rant was particularly unhinged. Very little speeches in the way of mending the faultlines in the US. All doom and gloom, with a dose of reds under the beds thrown in for good measure.
Seems like they are going all-out culture war.

Gerry Hatrick

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's rather disturbing that his supporters don't see the damage this chap is doing, how he actually doesn't care for anyone bar himself, it's disturbing to see how easy such a destructive person can be elevated to a position of power! Biden is dreadful, but he's a hell of a lot better than this chap

They are two very weak candidates. One being worse doesn't excuse the other.

I don't think this election is as clear cut as some would presume though not by a long shot. Trump didn't stand a snowballs chance in hell last time out either and still managed to get elected. One Biden gaff and if could change a lot of undecideds' over to Trump. Remember Trump makes gaffs all the time so him making one won't have the same effect.

jamule

Biker79 wrote: »

These people will thwart his attempts at doing good work, at every possible opportunity. For no other reason than spite ( and TDS of course ).

He has learned to deal with them but they are quite formidable ( and in principle, treasonous )

Are 'these people' the criminals he keeps hiring?