2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Igotadose · 24-08-2020 04:29PM

Cody montana wrote: »

What are the odds one of the speakers will get arrested this week?
I would imagine fairly high.

Give it time. They don't even behave at funerals:

https://dcist.com/story/20/08/22/guest-of-robert-trump-funeral-party-allegedly-punches-employee-at-d-c-restaurant/

Biker79 · 24-08-2020 04:50PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is cultist talk.

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

ohnonotgmail · 24-08-2020 05:00PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

you said you would believe whatever trump said before reading it. that is cult behaviour.

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 05:04PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

So - To recap.

Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you don't support = Cult
Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you do support = Definitely NOT a Cult.

Yep - Seems legit.

Biker79 · 24-08-2020 05:05PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you said you would believe whatever trump said before reading it. that is cult behaviour.

Its GOP policy analysts, actually. Not Trump.

I support their general approach in a wide variety of areas, so yes , I expect I would support their reasoning here.

Because they consistently prove themselves to be correct.

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 05:09PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Its GOP policy analysts, actually. Not Trump.

I support their general approach in a wide variety of areas, so yes , I expect I would support their reasoning here.

Because they consistently prove themselves to be correct.

Care to provide some examples of that?

All available evidence would seem to refute that Statement.

Professor Moriarty · 24-08-2020 05:10PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Rubbish. I called you lefties out on being prone to cult membership...so that's a bit of a disastrous attempt to deflect my earlier assessment of you and your cronies ( which was spot on, BTW ) .

Like I said..moving goalposts etc etc.

You cant call conservatism/ libertarianism a cult.

Well actually - you can, because you don't value the meaning of words.

Okie dokie.

Cody montana · 24-08-2020 05:46PM

BREAKING: NY attorney general files lawsuit against Trump Organization, according to court records.

Hummmm.

Biker79 · 24-08-2020 05:50PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

So - To recap.
Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you don't support = Cult

Alleged Blind, unswerving faith in a Political Doctrine you do support = Definitely NOT a Cult.

Yep - Seems legit.

Of course it does. Because you have twisted the meaning of words and drawn an inference that isn't there.

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

Foxtrol · 24-08-2020 05:51PM

Republican convention have the best and brightest in charge of production so far. Trump already out complaining about media not showing their drivel.

https://twitter.com/cspanJeremy/status/1297919158680772608?s=20

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 05:56PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Of course it does. Because you have twisted the meaning of words and drawn an inference that isn't there.

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 06:21PM

Cody montana wrote: »

BREAKING: NY attorney general files lawsuit against Trump Organization, according to court records.

Hummmm.

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

pjohnson · 24-08-2020 06:34PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

He is true Trump diehard his language is going the same way as his hero. He just needs to mention sharks to complete the cycle.

It appears worshipping the cult of Donald has consequences.

extra gravy · 24-08-2020 06:40PM

Biker79 wrote: »

I always suspected you have no values...but its absolutely clear you don't value language.

This is funny. Your support of Trump would indicate to most reasonable people that you're the one that has no values.

joseywhales · 24-08-2020 06:44PM

No he can have values(that are different to mine) and support Trump, that is totally fine. It's the lack of evidence that Trump has any consistent values that confuses me. What exactly does he stand for? Don't say the free market please.

coolbeans · 24-08-2020 06:45PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

What ARE you talking about?

For someone who claims to "value words" you really don't use yours very well.

No one has the first notion what obscure tangential point you are trying to make here.

He's in nonsense stepped in so far that to return would be as tedious as go o'er. ðŸ˜

Quin_Dub · 24-08-2020 07:13PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

Looks like it's about inflating Property values in order for them to provide sufficient collateral for loans and for tax purposes

One particular focus is the Seven Springs Estate, a 212-acre (85.8 hectares) property in northern Westchester County, north of New York City.

James’ office said valuations of the property were used to claim an apparent $21.1 million tax deduction in the 2015 tax year, and in submissions to financial institutions as a component of Donald Trump’s net worth.

To be taken with a grain of salt , but a Reddit thread on the subject says that the above property was valued by the Trump organisation at ~$290M when the consensus valuation was just 10% of that!

This is exactly the stuff that Cohen talked about.

Bit more detail on this site.

1996: Trump purchased it for $7,500,000.
2012: Trump "Statement of Financial Condition" values the property at $291,000,000.
2014: Forbes estimates its value at $19,500,000.
2014: Trump values the property at $5,000,000 to $25,000,000
2015: Trump valued the property at $50,000,000

So - He buys it for $7.5M , then AFTER a massive recession it's suddenly worth $291M but 2 years later in a recovering Market it loses somewhere between 70% and 95% of it's value and the following year it has doubled in value again..

That needs some explaining...

PropJoe10 · 24-08-2020 07:21PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

https://twitter.com/AWeissmann_/status/1297940114782420994

Looks like it's another tax fraud case.

Eric Trump a named party in the case.

Trump when asked about this: "It's a very sad situation. He's not my son, i barely know him. Yeah. It's a very sad situation. I wish him the best".

duploelabs · 24-08-2020 07:22PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

Looks like it's about inflating Property values in order for them to provide sufficient collateral for loans and for tax purposes

To be taken with a grain of salt , but a Reddit thread on the subject says that the above property was valued by the Trump organisation at ~$290M when the consensus valuation was just 10% of that!

This is exactly the stuff that Cohen talked about.

Yep, back in feb 2019.

This is a bit of forensic stuff by Rachel Maddow, who I know irks some and triggers those of the Orange Order (outrage at a well spoken lesbian, well colour me shocked)

Biker79 · 24-08-2020 08:13PM

coolbeans wrote: »

He's in nonsense stepped in so far that to return would be as tedious as go o'er. ðŸ˜

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.

Professor Moriarty · 24-08-2020 08:15PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.

Am I a lefty?

24-08-2020 08:22PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.

Do you think the way you're speaking to users is likely to result in a productive discussion?

Timberrrrrrrr · 24-08-2020 08:25PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.

You must live in terrible fear of these "lefties"? You never stop talking about them.

Professor Moriarty · 24-08-2020 08:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think the way you're speaking to users is likely to result in a productive discussion?

There's a word for that kind of posting but I just can't think of it.

joseywhales · 24-08-2020 08:49PM

I actually feel very uncomfortable being in the majority on anything but this is ridiculous, I think you believe that you might be a libertarian but you are not even close.

The Cares act, the biggest relief bill in the history of mankind. When only one congressman, a republican, suggested that they should at least record the voting on such a monumental government interference in the free market, Donald Trump demanded that he be removed from the republican party.

That party is not libertarian by definition, if it is such an offence to even consider opposition to a bill that tripled the national deficit.

weisses · 24-08-2020 09:10PM

Biker79 wrote: »

Ah, there he is now. Good man. Anytime there's a dollop of misanthropy to be dished out, the same posters crawl out of the woodwork to oblige.

Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining the free market for some of other ...eh ...disadvantaged lefties?

I'm sure they'd be grateful.

Was just listening to the commander in chief ..... I certainly understand why you like him so much.

Its just one blur of incoherent sentences ...

Faugheen · 24-08-2020 10:00PM

Wait until those who give out about ‘the lefties’ find out Trump is quite lefty himself.

Professor Moriarty · 24-08-2020 10:04PM

joseywhales wrote: »

I actually feel very uncomfortable being in the majority on anything but this is ridiculous, I think you believe that you might be a libertarian but you are not even close.

The Cares act, the biggest relief bill in the history of mankind. When only one congressman, a republican, suggested that they should at least record the voting on such a monumental government interference in the free market, Donald Trump demanded that he be removed from the republican party.

That party is not libertarian by definition, if it is such an offence to even consider opposition to a bill that tripled the national deficit.

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

Mark Twain

biko · 24-08-2020 10:11PM

Faugheen wrote: »

Wait until those who give out about ‘the lefties’ find out Trump is quite lefty himself.

He would be the greatest lefty there ever was. The best.

extra gravy · 24-08-2020 10:52PM

https://twitter.com/therecount/status/1297986682311106562?s=19

Meanwhile, this dumbass clearly didn't learn anything from the Tulsa rally. Or maybe he did and just doesn't care.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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