Netflix sexualising children.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-08-2020 10:20AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Ultra means a lot or very or exaggerated.
Liberal means supportive of individual liberty and also a consideration that traditional mores are out moded, dispensable or without function in the present.
Moral relativism is a philosophical idea with well over 2000 years of history.

I did not copy the phrase from anywhere. I knew what each word meant and I meant to say those words. They are an efficient shorthand way to convey broader meaning.

In what way is it ”ultra” as opposed to unexaggerated liberalism?

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 10:37AM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

In what way is it ”ultra” as opposed to unexaggerated liberalism?

There are, I am sure, plenty of people who are liberal but who would never countenance total laissez faire when it comes to the dignity of the individual or especially sexualisation of children. For example while being pro gay rights or pro drug decriminalisation (as a non user) I do not accept the present left wing normalisation of so called sex work. It is an abusive industry that trafficks slaves, damages women eg high incidence of brain trauma and profits from often unresolved psychological damage in the lives of participants. An ultra liberal would be someone who is morally relative about young girls pimping themselves to sugar daddies, or kids or even older teens posting stuff with no boundaries on social media cos ..."thats the way it is nowadays innit" and who are we to stop them doing what they want or impose our morals on anyone. Ie morally relativistic.

circadian · 23-08-2020 10:40AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

You actually do not realise how catch phrasey you sound saying that kind of meaningless thing instead of making actual argumentation. It would be far better for you personally and for any political cause you might espouse if you sharpened the sword of your intellect and made actual meaningful contributions instead of mere silliness. I should not give you that advice as it might make you a more worthy opponent in a meaningful sense. But I do because it is a bit pitiable to see people rely solely on what they imagine to be cynicism or even knowing irony instead of actual argument.
By the by I have never heard Ben Shapiro speak or read anything he has written but you must have.

Aye, naw. Just using a wordy argument to pass judgement is still just passing judgement. Whatever about your perception about my intelligence I can guarantee you this. You know nothing about me or my political ideals beyond what's posted on this website.

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 10:43AM

circadian wrote: »

Aye, naw. Just using a wordy argument to pass judgement is still just passing judgement. Whatever about your perception about my intelligence I can guarantee you this. You know nothing about me or my political ideals beyond what's posted on this website.

We all pass judgement all the time. That is a function of a thinking brain.

23-08-2020 10:50AM

I'm old enough to remember when most of the crazy intolerant stuff on boards came from right wing posters. That's completely flipped now, most of the craziest most intolerant stuff comes from left wing posters. Mad.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-08-2020 11:20AM

Gruffalox wrote: »

There are, I am sure, plenty of people who are liberal but who would never countenance total laissez faire when it comes to the dignity of the individual or especially sexualisation of children. For example while being pro gay rights or pro drug decriminalisation (as a non user) I do not accept the present left wing normalisation of so called sex work. It is an abusive industry that trafficks slaves, damages women eg high incidence of brain trauma and profits from often unresolved psychological damage in the lives of participants. An ultra liberal would be someone who is morally relative about young girls pimping themselves to sugar daddies, or kids or even older teens posting stuff with no boundaries on social media cos ..."thats the way it is nowadays innit" and who are we to stop them doing what they want or impose our morals on anyone. Ie morally relativistic.

"Ultra" means extremist or violent, so bad choice of words on your part, then.

No sane liberal (or conservative for that matter) believes in the legalisation of sex-slavery or that underage girls should be allowed to pimp themselves out - what made you think they did?!

francois · 23-08-2020 12:22PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm old enough to remember when most of the crazy intolerant stuff on boards came from right wing posters. That's completely flipped now, most of the craziest most intolerant stuff comes from left wing posters. Mad.

Nah

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 12:30PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

"Ultra" means extremist or violent, so bad choice of words on your part, then.

No sane liberal (or conservative for that matter) believes in the legalisation of sex-slavery or that underage girls should be allowed to pimp themselves out - what made you think they did?!

Ultra comes from the Latin word for beyond. It means beyond normal, beyond moderate, excessive or extreme. Your limited chosen definition of it as extremist is a political choice in an attempt to make a point. The word itself is perfectly acceptable as a prefix to describe one who is excessively liberal.

What made me get the idea that some people who think they are liberal are expressing moral relativism re girls pimping themselves out were reactions in this thread, from firstly, righteously claiming the poster was fake and the product of redneck paedophiles, a popular opinion when expressed, and then on through various degrees of whataboutery and minimisation that failed utterly to address the central fact of 11 year olds flexed in stripper poses. Note the company who issued the material recognised itself that it was wrong
It seems people would rather spit out any inclination to condemn the obvious sexualisation of children in favour of making a lazy trite caricature of people, liberal, conservative, centrist, agnostic, who would for any reason condemn it.

Apropos of nothing I came upon research this week which backed up prior findings over these many years that high IQ correlates with centrist political positions and that IQ drops the further out one travels on the left or right wings.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-08-2020 01:04PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Ultra comes from the Latin word for beyond. It means beyond normal, beyond moderate, excessive or extreme. Your limited chosen definition of it as extremist is a political choice in an attempt to make a point. The word itself is perfectly acceptable as a prefix to describe one who is excessively liberal.

What made me get the idea that some people who think they are liberal are expressing moral relativism re girls pimping themselves out were reactions in this thread, from firstly, righteously claiming the poster was fake and the product of redneck paedophiles, a popular opinion when expressed, and then on through various degrees of whataboutery and minimisation that failed utterly to address the central fact of 11 year olds flexed in stripper poses. Note the company who issued the material recognised itself that it was wrong
It seems people would rather spit out any inclination to condemn the obvious sexualisation of children in favour of making a lazy trite caricature of people, liberal, conservative, centrist, agnostic, who would for any reason condemn it.

Apropos of nothing I came upon research this week which backed up prior findings over these many years that high IQ correlates with centrist political positions and that IQ drops the further out one travels on the left or right wings.

Dictionaries disagree with you and the origin of the word is a cop-out.

Agan - no one is expressing any of the viewpoints you discribe.

You’re trying to create an entire demographic.

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 01:10PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Dictionaries disagree with you and the origin of the word is a cop-out.

Agan - no one is expressing any of the viewpoints you discribe.

I got my definition in the Merriam Webster dictionary.

ultra adjective
.

ul·tra | \ ˈəl-trə \
Definition of ultra (Entry 1 of 3)
: going beyond others or beyond due limit : EXTREME
ultra noun
Definition of ultra (Entry 2 of 3)
: one that is ultra : EXTREMIST
ultra- prefix
Definition of ultra- (Entry 3 of 3)
1: beyond in space : on the other side : TRANS-
ultraviolet
2: beyond the range or limits of : transcending : SUPER-
ultramicroscopic
3: beyond what is ordinary, proper, or moderate : excessively : extremely
ultramodern

It is a perfectly acceptable prefix to imply excessively liberal.

Plenty of people have expressed moral relativism. I am too lazy but more so disinterested in trying to change your mind to scroll back and quote because I know your form. But anyone reading the thread can see the whatabouting and decide for themselves.

Edited to add Dictionary.com definition -

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ultra-liberal

ultraliberal[ uhl-truh-lib-er-uhl, -lib-ruhl ]SHOW IPA
adjective
extremely liberal, especially in politics.
noun
an ultraliberal person or group.

BorneTobyWilde · 23-08-2020 01:18PM

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So it's not so much "Irish teenagers" as "one Irish eighteen year old". Not quite as effective in riling up the gob****es though, I suppose.

Nice work on the denials about Only Fans though.

And do you really believe every claim of 'fifty thousand a month'?

So what if young Irish adults have their own porn channels. You're not the morality police.

I don't subscribe to that site or any site. Geez not saying I'm some saint, every guy has watched porn at some point. Hard to miss it, it's everywhere for free online.
Yes she makes over 50 k a month, I read it, and there's a interview, let me find link.

here >>> radio interview at end of page, funny how the DJ's too cheer her on. Massaging her ego.
https://www.fm104.ie/news/buzz/irish-tiktoker-kneevo-talks-online-hate-onlyfans-and-internet-fame/

her twitter https://twitter.com/kneevo_

Raking it in, could retire in 2 years.

Gatling · 23-08-2020 01:21PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't subscribe to that site or any site. Geez not saying I'm some saint, every guy has watched porn at some point. Hard to miss it, it's everywhere for free online.
Yes she makes over 50 k a month, I read it, and there's a interview, let me find link.

here >>> radio interview at end of page, funny how the DJ's too cheer her on. Massaging her ego.
https://www.fm104.ie/news/buzz/irish-tiktoker-kneevo-talks-online-hate-onlyfans-and-internet-fame/

her twitter https://twitter.com/kneevo_

Raking it in, could retire in 2 years.

Wonder if the tax man knows

Sonics2k · 23-08-2020 01:24PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

I don't subscribe to that site or any site. Geez not saying I'm some saint, every guy has watched porn at some point. Hard to miss it, it's everywhere for free online.
Yes she makes over 50 k a month, I read it, and there's a interview, let me find link.

here >>> radio interview at end of page, funny how the DJ's too cheer her on. Massaging her ego.
https://www.fm104.ie/news/buzz/irish-tiktoker-kneevo-talks-online-hate-onlyfans-and-internet-fame/

her twitter https://twitter.com/kneevo_

Raking it in, could retire in 2 years.

To be fair, if I could legitimately make €75k in 3 weeks sitting on my backside showing off, I absolutely would. If some sad lads out there want to pay to see pictures of some lass, then the jokes on them not her.

Psychiatric Patrick · 23-08-2020 01:30PM

SusieBlue wrote: »

Not really though.
I don’t really see what’s comfortable about wearing a heavy tulle tutu while you’re trying to balance en point, or a leotard riding up your crotch while trying to do a backflip, so I don’t really buy that they wear them for comfort or ease of movement.
It’s part tradition and part costume in their case too.

Girls don’t need to wear a short dress, they choose to wear a short dress.
They can also wear black tights if they want to, which quite a few of the senior ladies do.
Female figure skaters wear short dresses while their male counterparts wear trousers.
Female gymnasts wear leotards with their legs exposed, while their male competitors wear tights that cover up their lower half.
Same for ballroom dancers, you only need to look at Strictly Come Dancing to see that the women wear sparkly little dresses and high heels and the men wear suits.
I presume it’s because the roots of these art forms stem from eras where women exclusively wore dresses and men wore trousers, so there’s really nothing sinister about it.
It’s not something that’s exclusive to Irish dancing at all, it occurs in pretty much all performing arts.

I just don’t really agree with the notion that girls should wear trousers just to appease offended people who have no clue about or interest in their art form, or who think they should wear pants in the name of ‘progression’.
There’s honestly more flesh exposed on any Irish beach than there is at these competitions.

I was told by someone who did ballet that the outfits were comfortable. It is possible that I misunderstood her and she me. Never having worn a leotard my myself I will not argue about how it affects the anus.

The girls chose the short dress or the mothers do?

It is still along with the fake tan and the rest putting kids on display and that had nothing to do with their skill.

The fact that it the parents making these choices actually makes it worse.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 23-08-2020 01:39PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

I got my definition in the Merriam Webster dictionary.

ultra adjective
.

ul·tra | \ ˈəl-trə \
Definition of ultra (Entry 1 of 3)
: going beyond others or beyond due limit : EXTREME
ultra noun
Definition of ultra (Entry 2 of 3)
: one that is ultra : EXTREMIST
ultra- prefix
Definition of ultra- (Entry 3 of 3)
1: beyond in space : on the other side : TRANS-
ultraviolet
2: beyond the range or limits of : transcending : SUPER-
ultramicroscopic
3: beyond what is ordinary, proper, or moderate : excessively : extremely
ultramodern

It is a perfectly acceptable prefix to imply excessively liberal.

Plenty of people have expressed moral relativism. I am too lazy but more so disinterested in trying to change your mind to scroll back and quote because I know your form. But anyone reading the thread can see the whatabouting and decide for themselves.

Edited to add Dictionary.com definition -

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ultra-liberal

ultraliberal[ uhl-truh-lib-er-uhl, -lib-ruhl ]SHOW IPA
adjective
extremely liberal, especially in politics.
noun
an ultraliberal person or group.

My point is: ultra liberals as you describe them do not exist, prove me wrong..

i_surge · 23-08-2020 01:43PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Apropos of nothing I came upon research this week which backed up prior findings over these many years that high IQ correlates with centrist political positions and that IQ drops the further out one travels on the left or right wings.

None of the people who i'd consider very intelligent go for this stuff.

Lefty stuff adopted wholesale by the middle of the road smart enough to get a degree but actually not that smart crowd.

Hard right is probably aimed a bit lower but there is a fake intellectual side to it too.

Anyone who can't see the two sides of everything is a bit of a fool.

Psychiatric Patrick · 23-08-2020 01:43PM

circadian wrote: »

Aye, naw. Just using a wordy argument to pass judgement is still just passing judgement. Whatever about your perception about my intelligence I can guarantee you this. You know nothing about me or my political ideals beyond what's posted on this website.

Even if we set aside you “aye naw”, you are simply no match for Gruffalox in wit or intellect and I’m hoping you stop try becasue you are so out match that it is actually making feel sad

i_surge · 23-08-2020 01:44PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My point is: ultra liberals as you describe them do not exist, prove me wrong..

Lol what a crap form of debate.

Did you not say you were done talking to pigeons earlier in the thread?

BorneTobyWilde · 23-08-2020 01:46PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

To be fair, if I could legitimately make €75k in 3 weeks sitting on my backside showing off, I absolutely would. If some sad lads out there want to pay to see pictures of some lass, then the jokes on them not her.

Well it's weird in that the girl who opens a corner shop has customers who pass by that corner.

But for her on OnlyFans she has 7.6 billion on the planet to sell too, so it adds up it seems. Even 5000 subs at 20$ a month is 100,000$ a month. That's what the draw is, and it's a Subscription, not a one off purchase, so every month, unless someone cancels, but for ever cancel another 500 subscribe, so it just crawls up and up for her it seems. Crazy, and the draw is the money, it's all about the money.

The only issue is how it's inspiring and influencing kids, Only fans is now like INstagram, and thousands of kids are using fake ID's to sell on there according to a BBC investigation. Law needs to change, kids can't obtain a driver license with a fake ID, so no excuse for sites like OnlyFans to be issuing accounts to kids.

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 02:01PM

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

My point is: ultra liberals as you describe them do not exist, prove me wrong..

Oh okay. Since it is Sunday. Some people are so excessively liberal that instead of just having a gut instinct response that clearly says ''Nope, not on'' they will go all the way around the world to disagree with another's censorious reaction to obviously inappropriate cultural modernity.

In response to this image in the OP, instead of just simply saying Lads that's a disgrace, people wrote or thanked the following.

I see children dancing and having fun with their friends from different backgrounds. If you see anything else perhaps you need to look at yourself. Nothing in the trailer would suggest to me it is trying to "sexualise" children!

Oloonatic - 22 people thanked

The image in the OP is a fake created to make it appear like this is a pageant-style movie about dancing 11 year olds being sexy. It's not an image that Netflix has produced.

The "specialising in twerking routines" is also made up nonsense that has little to do with the film.

Look at the trailer and you'll see very little connection with the fake posters the OP has posted.

This an award-winning French film about a preteens immigrants difficulty aligning her home culture and home life with that around her. Examinig the early sexualisation of children is a theme in this movie.

Of course, American Nazi and religious types are losing their mind about it, while ignoring the fact that they are the biggest creators and consumers of actual child porn in the world.

- Seamus. 48 people agreed with these complete falsehoods, cheap ideological caricaturing and absolute minimisation of the subject at hand.

Looks like the image is an doctored image. It's a scam. Have to wonder what OP was searching to find this though.
Ironically they've now shared doctor images presenting in children in sexualised poses. I imagine fake child porn is also illegal. Probably being watched as we speak.

- Mellor

It's looked very alike all the cheersquad and gymnastics themed movies where the girls where similar attire (the joy of having preteen kids ) ,

Much ado about nothing

- Gatling. Also mentioned kids posing on social media wearing only pillows as being just something the kids are at these days...

i_surge · 23-08-2020 02:02PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Well it's weird in that the girl who opens a corner shop has customers who pass by that corner.

But for her on OnlyFans she has 7.6 billion on the planet to sell too, so it adds up it seems. Even 5000 subs at 20$ a month is 100,000$ a month. That's what the draw is, and it's a Subscription, not a one off purchase, so every month, unless someone cancels, but for ever cancel another 500 subscribe, so it just crawls up and up for her it seems. Crazy, and the draw is the money, it's all about the money.

The only issue is how it's inspiring and influencing kids, Only fans is now like INstagram, and thousands of kids are using fake ID's to sell on there according to a BBC investigation. Law needs to change, kids can't obtain a driver license with a fake ID, so no excuse for sites like OnlyFans to be issuing accounts to kids.

I admire the entrepreneurs but a good thing can only last so long.

Competition flock to anything highly profitable and there are only so many eyeballs and only so many men hard up enough to be a patron so soon enough your teenage daughters will be empowering themselves in their bedrooms for pennies.

Could be a gateway to the more hardcore end of things....expensive things and the unobtainable lifestyle easily obtained have a very strong appeal and there is a noticeable trend of legitimising this and sugar daddying.

The risk of allowing hard up men to obsess over you has never really changed so it is "complicated".

BorneTobyWilde · 23-08-2020 02:23PM

I think the director of the Film could take and win a case against Netflix, they took her movie which was award winning and empowering and portrayed it as smut .
It went from this to this

mignonnes-netflix-sexcuse-apres-la-diffusion-dune-affiche-eklablogfr_2505650.jpg

mignonnes-netflix-sexcuse-apres-la-diffusion-dune-affiche-eklablogfr_2505650.jpg

She should sue them.

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 02:25PM

Sonics2k wrote: »

To be fair, if I could legitimately make €75k in 3 weeks sitting on my backside showing off, I absolutely would. If some sad lads out there want to pay to see pictures of some lass, then the jokes on them not her.

Actually the joke is on her. Because right now it might seem like easy money to get paid lots for merely holding the cheeks of your arse apart on film, but there will come a time when she may realise that she has lost human dignity by carelessly releasing such material into the public sphere, where it will have been copied and circulated ad infinitum.
It is much more than mere titillation or tittie pictures - people do not seem to get that there is such a thing as scale and nuance, and that soft core sexy photos are not the same as what I have seen promoted on that kneevo's channel earlier posted. It is quantitatively and qualitatively different.
There has to be a constant upping of the ante to compete. Being a pretty girl with nice breasts is fairly common, let's face it, and no one is going to pay much for that. Most young girls are sweet looking and have nice breasts and a bit of makeup and lighting will make any of them look great. But it is not enough to compete.
She may have children someday who she does not want to see her in such an undignified manner, publicly abasing herself in graphic ways as masturbatory material for what amounts in the end to a few pounds. It is not empowering. It is degrading of one's power.
Or she may meet someone she falls in love with who might not have a laissez faire attitude to pictures and video of her doing all manner of things to herself for a few pounds circulating the globe. She might become intellectually involved in a project or research which would have meaning for her later on and which would be undermined by her haven publicly demeaned her dignity in former years. These people should have more ambition and respect for themselves. I think it reflects something gone wrong in them.

raclle · 23-08-2020 02:31PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

How some cannot find this inappropriate is beyond me

i_surge · 23-08-2020 02:31PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Actually the joke is on her. Because right now it might seem like easy money to get paid lots for merely holding the cheeks of your arse apart on film, but there will come a time when she may realise that she has lost human dignity by carelessly releasing such material into the public sphere, where it will have been copied and circulated ad infinitum.
It is much more than mere titillation or tittie pictures - people do not seem to get that there is such a thing as scale and nuance, and that soft core sexy photos are not the same as what I have seen promoted on that kneevo's channel earlier posted. It is quantitatively and qualitatively different.
There has to be a constant upping of the ante to compete. Being a pretty girl with nice breasts is fairly common, let's face it, and no one is going to pay much for that. Most young girls are sweet looking and have nice breasts and a bit of makeup and lighting will make any of them look great. But it is not enough to compete.
She may have children someday who she does not want to see her in such an undignified manner, publicly abasing herself in graphic ways as masturbatory material for what amounts in the end to a few pounds. It is not empowering. It is degrading of one's power.
Or she may meet someone she falls in love with who might not have a laissez faire attitude to pictures and video of her doing all manner of things to herself for a few pounds circulating the globe. She might become intellectually involved in a project or research which would have meaning for her later on and which would be undermined by her haven publicly demeaned her dignity in former years. These people should have more ambition and respect for themselves. I think it reflects something gone wrong in them.

I wouldn't take it that far but you are right it is not easy money because there are considerable downside risks and it won't be that profitable soon.

The real money will be in "live gigs" to follow the music world where the internet devalued music to being effectively free.

Gruffalux · 23-08-2020 02:48PM

i_surge wrote: »

I wouldn't take it that far but you are right it is not easy money because there are considerable downside risks and it won't be that profitable soon.

The real money will be in "live gigs" to follow the music world where the internet devalued music to being effectively free.

Live gigs? Real money? Strippers and prostitutes don't get paid all that much on the whole. And there are a lot of job risks. I knew an American stripper quite well - it's a tiring, boring, mediocre job with minimal job satisfaction and it breeds cynicism. I was offered soft porn photo shoots in Europe as a young woman. By chance a few times I met the people who go looking for new faces. Sleazy greasy dopes the lot of them.

i_surge · 23-08-2020 02:51PM

Gruffalox wrote: »

Live gigs? Real money? Strippers and prostitutes don't get paid all that much on the whole. And there are a lot of job risks. I knew an American stripper quite well - it's a tiring, boring, mediocre job with minimal job satisfaction and it breeds cynicism. I was offered soft porn photo shoots in Europe as a young woman. By chance a few times I met the people who go looking for new faces. Sleazy greasy dopes the lot of them.

You weren't following me. "Live" gigs....part time prostitution but without the hard earned street wisdom of a "pro".

riclad · 23-08-2020 03:04PM

I think netflix used an unfortunate image for the promotion of this film.it has not been shown on tv yet,
I think its about a teen from a conservative family who joins a group to learn dancing.
this is off topic but i read that women can make alot of money posting pics on only fans.
and in the middle of a pandemic its a safe job to do from home when clubs and strip joints are closed.
i,m not an expert but i read that some strippers can make very good wages
in las vegas alot more than working in retail .

Ekerot · 23-08-2020 03:11PM

I find it creepy that a few users earlier on in this thread didn't bat an eyelid at the poster.
It's even weirder when you see how radically different it looks compared to the French release poster.

TomTomTim · 23-08-2020 03:16PM

Ekerot wrote: »

I find it creepy that a few users earlier on in this thread didn't bat an eyelid at the poster.
It's even weirder when you see how radically different it looks compared to the French release poster.

At least two of said posters were very passionately arguing for children to be thought more about sex in school here a few months back. Combined with their contributions here, it certainly isn't a good look.

Netflix sexualising children.

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