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Netflix sexualising children.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    Christ, that's a lot of nonsense.

    Yeah sure, almost every single corporation on the planet espouses leftist ideology.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    As someone said before, progressives often lament that the Capitalists are using their identities and lifestyles (lgbt, trans, identity politics, blm, marxism etc) to sell their products

    No, these lifestyles and identities are the products they are selling.

    The Marxism so many progressives believe in is a carrot on a stick...capitalism is behind it all.
    Marxism has essentially been co opted and absorbed by Capitalism. Its just another product.

    No they arent!

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah sure, almost every single corporation on the planet espouses leftist ideology.

    By leftist ideology, you mean not treating people like **** because they're LGBT or of a different race? That's the evil Marxist agenda you believe in...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,096 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Yeah sure, almost every single corporation on the planet espouses leftist ideology.

    Someone in a company made a mistake, company took responsibility and admitted the mistake and withdrew the offending material. Case closed. No one wants to hear your political opinions that you've somehow managed to tack onto this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Clarence Boddiker


    By leftist ideology, you mean not treating people like **** because they're LGBT or of a different race? That's the evil Marxist agenda you believe in...

    I just said I don't believe it is Marxist, lifestyle and identity issues have very little to do with Marxism, regardless of what the current crop believe.

    As for multiculturalism and mass immigration, Marx and Engels wrote extensively about how damaging it was to the working classes and how it was a tool of Capitalists.

    In fact you could go as far as saying that you cannot consider yourself a Marxist if you advocate for mass immigration.


    Anyway this is off topic,
    I fully agree with the poster who stated the the sexualisation of children is a product of cultural Capitalism.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,961 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    An insight in this article

    https://www.refinery29.com/en-gb/bbc-onlyfans-nudes4sale-young-women

    Seems no law requiring online platforms to regulate under age users. Seems only fans is full of kids who use fake id to sign up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,115 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    I fully agree with the poster who stated the the sexualisation of children is a product of cultural Capitalism.

    The thing is these young people wouldn't even consider their choices as being within a sort of socioeconomic framework of 'everything for sale/commodification'.

    I'm sure if you interviewed young people who sell pics of themselves in the nip (I know they're not technically kids) they'd be 100% sure they're not being exploited.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    The thing is these young people wouldn't even consider their choices as being within a sort of socioeconomic framework of 'everything for sale/commodification'.

    I'm sure if you interviewed young people who sell pics of themselves in the nip (I know they're not technically kids) they'd be 100% sure they're not being exploited.

    Theyre 100% sure now, when theyre doing it for a few quid in college, in a few years tome when they graduate and cant get jobs in big public facing companies or as school teachers theyll he on with the ‘i cant believe nobody told me that this would ruin my life’

    Freedom of choice but not freedom from consequences. I unfortunately believe many are too young or foolish and bought into the idea its all grand from these social media ‘influencers’ :rolleyes: . Like cigarettes it should have a warning ‘selling pictures of yourself for money on the internet will lock you out of a lot of careers in future, you will age and your income will fall off a cliff from this in the short to medium term, this is a quick fix with long lasting damage’


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    By leftist ideology, you mean not treating people like **** because they're LGBT or of a different race? That's the evil Marxist agenda you believe in...

    That is nothing but a sham smoke screen to fool people into thinking they are the good guys and prevent protests against the broken class system that is ruling the world. The rich and powerful, both corporations and politicians, are kicking us in the dirt every day of our lives, from all political parties, but because they wave a rainbow flag they fool everyone into being compliant and not rising up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,093 ✭✭✭i_surge


    By leftist ideology, you mean not treating people like **** because they're LGBT or of a different race? That's the evil Marxist agenda you believe in...

    Can you drop the over simplifications of complex things? It is like how BP care about the planet in National Geographic full page ads. Media spin.

    I don't agree with all those shouting marxism..firstly I don't get what cultural marxism means and I don't think they do either , just a buzz word (we share the means of production of culture of some such???)..most public lefties are shrewd capitalists cashing in while they can and supported by a shrewd for profit media.

    Is the joke on their supporters or critics? Probably both.

    The reasonable middle is the innocent victim of it all.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,345 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You have Irish teenagers on Onlyfans making 50k a month shoving dildos up their ass, while their parents cheer them on.

    When you say 'teenagers', are you referring to 18 and 19 year olds? If not, you should really be reporting any such accounts to the Gardai and to the hosts. How many have you reported?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,961 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    When you say 'teenagers', are you referring to 18 and 19 year olds? If not, you should really be reporting any such accounts to the Gardai and to the hosts. How many have you reported?


    I've never been on Only Fans or subscribed to such sites. I was referring to that Tic Tok user, with her fan base being most young teens, she then went on Only fans, where she produces hardcore content, makes 50k a month apparently selling content to old men world wide.
    And according to her, her parents cheer her on. Conflicting opinions on that it seems though. She is 18 for sure. Maybe older,now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,919 ✭✭✭ronivek


    Theyre 100% sure now, when theyre doing it for a few quid in college, in a few years tome when they graduate and cant get jobs in big public facing companies or as school teachers theyll he on with the ‘i cant believe nobody told me that this would ruin my life’

    The only way it would 'ruin their lives' is if judgemental idiots judge them negatively for it and let that information preclude them from applying for or being offered a job.

    And this idea that they aren't aware there are certain people out there who will judge them is an utter nonsense. If they have any public social media platform they're likely to receive any number of judgemental, abusive, and obscene messages with regularity.

    Sure they could turn around after the fact and regret doing it; the same applies to every single decision anyone ever made at any point in their lives. So what?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    I was last at a competition in March, I’ve been involved in it for over 25 years.
    I don’t disagree that some of the mothers can be weapons but I’ve seen similar displays from fathers at the sidelines of GAA matches and at speech and drama rehearsals.
    Unfortunately anything competitive involving children attracts a certain cohort of overzealous parents, it can be seen in pretty much any children’s activity.

    You’re right, they don’t need the dresses and the tan and there is no requirement for it. Those dresses cost about 2k each and most kids get a new one every year, it’s a ridiculous and unnecessary expense.
    There is no obligation to buy into it and some parents don’t, but getting into costume is part of the ritual of going on stage for some kids.
    It helps them to feel confident.
    I think it’s just another aspect of modern life, like people trying to outdo each other by having the latest iPhone or newest car or whatever. It’s another type of consumerism.
    The governing body have tried several times to strip back on the ornate dresses, hence the rules about the torso being covered and skirt length etc, but it’s never worked or lasted.

    In pretty much all types of performing arts, from ballet, to tap, to musical theatre, to contemporary dance etc the performance involves heavy makeup, a costume and sometimes wigs.
    So long as the costume is accompanied by an actual talent and the children aren’t being adjudicated on said costume or their appearance, I have no issue with it.

    Either parent carrying on like that at any event - sports, dancing , etc - is horrible. I did specify the dancing mammies because Irish dancing was brought up but I was not implying fathers or or activities were better.

    It is interesting that those in charge of Irish dancing have tried to change things but it is the parents who are stopping it.

    Yes make up, wigs, etc is involved in many arts but in those it serves a purpose even beyond appearance. There is no purpose to plastering a kid in brown paint.

    And the likes of ballet the women and men are dressed the same and I believe that the outfits are to allow comfort and movement and not for appearance.

    Actually in typing that I find myself with another question about Irish dancing - boys wear trousers. So why do girls need to wear a short dress?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    In fairness, this film is supposed to be critical of the hypersexualisation of children. It's just looking as if the director was fecked over by Netflix marketing.

    Going by the reviews and comments from the director the film is about a lot things, and is very much about protecting kids from all those things.

    Yes, some people at Netflix were assigned to market the movie but they either did not watch it or did not understand the point. Either way I have concerns about those people that they thought that poster, description and trailer were a good thing. I cannot understand why Netflix still haven’t removed the trailer.

    The topic of the film need to be addressed but I don’t think making it a drama that requires kids to behave and dress like that is a good thing. Regardless of measures taken on set to protect those kids they still dressed and dancing in a way they shouldn’t. It is issues better suited to a documentary - where it would be more effective and it would have people outraged about the actual issues rather than the film.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    So who of the outraged here are going g to put their money where their mouths are and cancel their Netflix subscriptions?

    Otherwise they're just hypocrites.

    Put up or shut up, as the saying goes.

    You can’t just cancel the subscription because Netflix won’t know why.

    You have to tell them first.

    I know there is an option when cancelling to say why but the way it works is that that information is gathered and reviewed later so not much use in this instance. You also need to contact them directly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    The film itself won awards, it was in public domain a long time without anyone having an issue with it, it was only getting praised. The issue is Netflix, they took an innocent film and photo shopped an image to promote it as something other that what is it. The poster was clearly made to look sexual as to attract a certain audience/viewer, that's messed up. Why would they go out of there way to promote it in such a way, why promote it to appeal to dirty old men?
    Mignonnes is a 2020 French coming-of-age comedy-drama film. Netflix '' no NO we can't have that, Cuties , yes that's better, is a film about 11 year old strippers, promote it that way''
    WTF

    What “public domain”?

    Netflix have not released it yet.

    And there were no issues until now because not many people knew about the movie and it was known to the public.

    I have no idea why so many people are banging on about photo shop? Do you all think that some person at Netflix cut and pasted these kids head into other people’s bodies?

    Those are the kids and costumes from the movie. They are taken from a screen grab.

    And the “what the hell Netflix” was an issue here but has been overshadowed by the content of the film itself.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    I am interested to know what is the development of the theme in the film. What is the conclusion, the denouement, what are the final scenes?

    If the director is honestly exploring the hyper sexualisation of children what conclusion does the narrative arrive at? If the images in the posters are screenshots from actual content in the film do the children continue to wear those outfits through to the end and do dances which emphasize pelvic thrusting and kneel down or flex in stripper poses? Do they win the competitions by being those girls, or do they come to a more developed understanding of their essential nature that is not viewed through the lens of the pornification of their prepubescent bodies? Do they put on different clothing and do a more appropriate form of dancing for their age? Do they take up a different activity like martial arts or parkour (free running) or something else that does not fetishize their bodies?

    Anyone know? You can cover the answer in spoiler black out. I don't mind spoilers. I often google the end of series when they are getting too tense for me. :o

    A lot of praise but also that it “doesn’t live up to it’s ambitions”.

    A few reviewers say it falls apart at the end.

    Why would you look for spoilers of other stuff? The more tense the better - it means I’m enjoying it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    We always had attention whores (emphasis on whores) willing to show a bit of flesh for cheers , now with social media its become easier to reach a wide audience. The issue is its become monetised and normalised to the point where it used to be a tiny tiny minority of vulgar people but now normal teenage girls are seeing this and believe its acceptable in society. Which is a disgusting path for society to go down.

    It is kind of hard to imagine the future of humanity as depicted in Star Trek.

    At the rate we going we could consider ourselves very lucky if the zombies are competent even to feed themselves.

    Is social media responsible for creating these idiots? If they was no social media would these people be less thick?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 974 ✭✭✭Psychiatric Patrick


    Gruffalox wrote: »
    Jayziz. That's me educated. Those Twitter and Tik Tok accounts. PS I hope there are no parents cheering on their daughters doing what you said. :confused:

    Is Only Fans some kind of cam sex site?

    Feel like I just found another planet.

    Never heard of this Only Fans until just now. Don’t know what it is but just learning it existed turned of a small partial of my brain - it just seems med to have enough.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,029 ✭✭✭SusieBlue


    Either parent carrying on like that at any event - sports, dancing , etc - is horrible. I did specify the dancing mammies because Irish dancing was brought up but I was not implying fathers or or activities were better.

    It is interesting that those in charge of Irish dancing have tried to change things but it is the parents who are stopping it.

    Yes make up, wigs, etc is involved in many arts but in those it serves a purpose even beyond appearance. There is no purpose to plastering a kid in brown paint.

    And the likes of ballet the women and men are dressed the same and I believe that the outfits are to allow comfort and movement and not for appearance.

    Actually in typing that I find myself with another question about Irish dancing - boys wear trousers. So why do girls need to wear a short dress?

    Not really though.
    I don’t really see what’s comfortable about wearing a heavy tulle tutu while you’re trying to balance en point, or a leotard riding up your crotch while trying to do a backflip, so I don’t really buy that they wear them for comfort or ease of movement.
    It’s part tradition and part costume in their case too.

    Girls don’t need to wear a short dress, they choose to wear a short dress.
    They can also wear black tights if they want to, which quite a few of the senior ladies do.
    Female figure skaters wear short dresses while their male counterparts wear trousers.
    Female gymnasts wear leotards with their legs exposed, while their male competitors wear tights that cover up their lower half.
    Same for ballroom dancers, you only need to look at Strictly Come Dancing to see that the women wear sparkly little dresses and high heels and the men wear suits.
    I presume it’s because the roots of these art forms stem from eras where women exclusively wore dresses and men wore trousers, so there’s really nothing sinister about it.
    It’s not something that’s exclusive to Irish dancing at all, it occurs in pretty much all performing arts.

    I just don’t really agree with the notion that girls should wear trousers just to appease offended people who have no clue about or interest in their art form, or who think they should wear pants in the name of ‘progression’.
    There’s honestly more flesh exposed on any Irish beach than there is at these competitions.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,345 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I've never been on Only Fans or subscribed to such sites. I was referring to that Tic Tok user, with her fan base being most young teens, she then went on Only fans, where she produces hardcore content, makes 50k a month apparently selling content to old men world wide.
    And according to her, her parents cheer her on. Conflicting opinions on that it seems though. She is 18 for sure. Maybe older,now.

    So it's not so much "Irish teenagers" as "one Irish eighteen year old". Not quite as effective in riling up the gob****es though, I suppose.

    Nice work on the denials about Only Fans though.

    And do you really believe every claim of 'fifty thousand a month'?

    So what if young Irish adults have their own porn channels. You're not the morality police.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    So it's not so much "Irish teenagers" as "one Irish eighteen year old". Not quite as effective in riling up the gob****es though, I suppose.

    Nice work on the denials about Only Fans though.

    And do you really believe every claim of 'fifty thousand a month'?

    So what if young Irish adults have their own porn channels. You're not the morality police.

    What if their followers are younger? Much younger? Especially if they follow a person from TikTok to Only Fans. It is not a good example to young teens, in the same way as drugs or joy riding or online bullying cliques are not a good example to or influence on young teens and should be legitimately called out as such. Just because it is sexual does not make it exempt from critique

    Who are the gob****es, Andrew? Are you calling all people who disagree with you gob****es and yet simultaneously practising ultra- liberal moral relativism? Anyone can do anything as long as they are over 18....except disagree with you. A person or all persons can masturbate on camera for paying customers but you only feel roused to public ejaculation of contempt if someone has a different opinion than you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,641 ✭✭✭circadian


    ultra- liberal moral relativism

    These catchphrases are getting out of hand.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    circadian wrote: »
    These catchphrases are getting out of hand.

    Ultra means a lot or very or exaggerated.
    Liberal means supportive of individual liberty and also a consideration that traditional mores are out moded, dispensable or without function in the present.
    Moral relativism is a philosophical idea with well over 2000 years of history.

    I did not copy the phrase from anywhere. I knew what each word meant and I meant to say those words. They are an efficient shorthand way to convey broader meaning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    PS Catchphrase is a catchphrase :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,641 ✭✭✭circadian


    It's like some sort of Ben Shapiro word salad that gets repeated for ever more.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    ronivek wrote: »
    The only way it would 'ruin their lives' is if judgemental idiots judge them negatively for it and let that information preclude them from applying for or being offered a job.

    And this idea that they aren't aware there are certain people out there who will judge them is an utter nonsense. If they have any public social media platform they're likely to receive any number of judgemental, abusive, and obscene messages with regularity.

    Sure they could turn around after the fact and regret doing it; the same applies to every single decision anyone ever made at any point in their lives. So what?

    Its not so much ‘judgemental idiots’ as people averse to those who sell vice, im sure nobody would put ‘i sold drugs in college’ on their cv and some employers would correctly frown upon it, think of this as drug dealing with a much more available record of it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,023 ✭✭✭Gruffalux


    circadian wrote: »
    It's like some sort of Ben Shapiro word salad that gets repeated for ever more.

    You actually do not realise how catch phrasey you sound saying that kind of meaningless thing instead of making actual argumentation. It would be far better for you personally and for any political cause you might espouse if you sharpened the sword of your intellect and made actual meaningful contributions instead of mere silliness. I should not give you that advice as it might make you a more worthy opponent in a meaningful sense. But I do because it is a bit pitiable to see people rely solely on what they imagine to be cynicism or even knowing irony instead of actual argument.
    By the by I have never heard Ben Shapiro speak or read anything he has written but you must have.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,909 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    SusieBlue wrote: »
    Female figure skaters wear short dresses while their male counterparts wear trousers.

    While there are certainly problems that exist within figure skating, since 2006 female figure skaters have had the choice of a pants style unitard. And furthermore, the rule requiring a skirt was only enacted in 1988 because Katherina Witt wore a leotard that was considered too revealing.

    Presently many women still choose a dress for a variety of reasons. Not least because figure skating is scored both on athletic ability and artistic performance. So costumes are chosen that match the music the skater is performing to, which especially in pairs skating, leads to the woman wearing a skirt. But it isn't mandatory and while pantsuits aren't common, there have been plenty of female athletes who have chosen to wear them. As someone who figure skates (at a low level) for fun, I enjoy wearing a skirt skating. Something I almost never do in real life because I like how it swishes when I turn and flares out when I jump or spin. And if I am wearing a skirt it has to be short or it will trip me up if I'm doing an element like hydroblading.

    Beyond that just because other sports/arts have problematic elements in how women/children are treated, it doesn't excuse it in their own. I adore skating but I'm glad it was something I didn't have the opportunity to pursue seriously as a child because, like gymnastics and ballet, it has developed a seriously abusive culture at it's core. But I don't point to gymnastics and ballet and say that because they have awful elements, figure skating is okay. I want the sport I love to change what's bad and become what it should be. I want that for all of them. I want children to be able to pursue their interests in a way that's healthy. And while people at a top level will always need to sacrifice a lot to make it, I don't want that sacrifice to include their bodily autonomy, dignity, ability to create and maintain healthy boundaries based on what they and their families know to be right and wrong.


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