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Minister for Agriculture attends 81-person golf event in breach of health guidelines

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  • #2582
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I have believed for at least the last 20 years that we get democracy for one day about every 5 years, the rest of the time the make it up as they go along.
    Would it not be a good time to start a root & branch review of our crazy parochial political system, the boys from Kerry, the political family dynasties where there is an absolute rhght to have the family name in Dail or chair of Council etc.
    We need to get people of integrity into politics for the future of our country, people who can cut-it and make the right decisions for the Country and not be thinking of their own little patch Galway or Offaly.

    We are awash with money at the moment and its being wasted on administration.
    The opportunity is there now so we should press for change...

    Would love to see this happen but it would be very, very difficult. You will have people who won’t want to give up their power. You’ll have voters and vested interests who won’t want such a change (“they’re taking the power away from local people and giving it to faceless, absentee officials up in Dublin. It’s not democracy”). In a country this small and with a political culture so ingrained, I don’t see it changing.

    There is also an argument that we underpay our politicians. The argument goes that if you want the best people running your country, you pay top salaries which will also remove the temptation of corruption. Again, any move to pay the politicians more would be met with vitriol amongst the public.


  • #2583
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Waiting on Hogan to resign.


  • #2584
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    FF down to 11% in the latest poll. Knives will be out for Martin.


  • #2585
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    Sort of it seems as there is a lot of confusion for business.

    www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/irish-hotels-federation-was-awaiting-clarification-on-new-guidelines-at-time-of-golf-dinner-1.4336125%3fmode=amp

    I think the whole thing with the speeches when the partitions were removed probably brought it over the line as not. But there were reports yesterday that they were strict about not having having tables inter-mingling and there was no drinking at the bar.

    3 weeks ago it was all about trying to get the economy going again.

    According to some reports in the papers today, trays of oysters were passed around before dinner. This was clearly against all the advice we were given from the start. These guys were so non chalant about all the precautions by which the rest of the country were abiding, that they deserve absolutely everything which is/will be thrown at them!!


  • #2586
    _Kaiser_
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,322 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    FF down to 11% in the later poll. Knives will be out for Martin.

    Presumably taken before the events of the last 48/72 hours?


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  • #2587
    Fr Tod Umptious
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,523 ✭✭✭✭Fr Tod Umptious


    maestroamado wrote: »
    I have believed for at least the last 20 years that we get democracy for one day about every 5 years, the rest of the time the make it up as they go along.
    Would it not be a good time to start a root & branch review of our crazy parochial political system, the boys from Kerry, the political family dynasties where there is an absolute rhght to have the family name in Dail or chair of Council etc.
    We need to get people of integrity into politics for the future of our country, people who can cut-it and make the right decisions for the Country and not be thinking of their own little patch Galway or Offaly.

    We are awash with money at the moment and its being wasted on administration.
    The opportunity is there now so we should press for change...

    But there is no absolute right.

    These people have to be elected, by you and I.

    Political family dynasties exist because of each generation being exposed to polotics from an early age.
    In some households politics and current affairs are topics of everyday conversation, it others it is not, but in the households it is the children tend to be more politically aware as they grow up, vote regularly, get involved in local groups etc.

    In the households of elected representatives, be they local or national, the children are highly exposed to polotics, and become engaged and involved themselves as they grow up, that's why we have dynasties.

    Take Helen McEntee as the perfect example.
    Her father was a politician, she grew up watching him work, she spent years with him on campaigns etc
    She studied politics in college.
    When he died and she ran for the vacant seat the usual rabble on here were giving out about families etc etc, but she was a perfectly qualified individual to run for office.
    And she has proven herself a very capable politician since.

    The Healy Rae's grew up in a family that was impressed in politics, it's no surprise that they would get involved themselves.

    And the family does not always win.
    In 1994 Beverly Flynn can for the seat vacated by her father's move to the EU.

    She lost to newcomer Michael Ring, who has been there ever since.


  • #2588
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    Gods Gift wrote: »
    Brian is saying that he is a private citizen now and is a private matter.

    Apparently, he also said that when he saw the crowd present he did think he should have left! :D


  • #2589
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,353 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Think you're right about the witch hunt re Hogan.

    Proper order too. A cretin.

    Hogan is just like P Flynn, both of them arrogant men in well paid jobs who probably see themselves as better than ordinary folk.


  • #2590
    stockshares
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,760 ✭✭✭stockshares


    The IHF have denied they provided clearance for the golfing society event to go ahead
    https://twitter.com/IHFcomms/status/1297479422698819584?s=19


  • #2591
    brooke 2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,472 ✭✭✭brooke 2


    is_that_so wrote: »
    And he's not wrong, most of the 80 were private citizens.


    So are the rest of us who are abiding by the rules!


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  • #2592
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    brooke 2 wrote: »
    According to some reports in the papers today, trays of oysters were passed around before dinner. This was clearly against all the advice we were given from the start. These guys were so non chalant about all the precautions by which the rest of the country were abiding, that they deserve absolutely everything which is/will be thrown at them!!

    The hotel should be shut down then.


  • #2593
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Hopefully that spells the end of Brian Hayes on radio panels talking sh*te.


  • #2594
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    The hotel should be shut down then.

    It looks like a dump as well.


  • #2595
    divillybit
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 670 ✭✭✭divillybit


    In the context of the ongoing Brexit negotiations, which haven't gone away you know...i hope Big Phil doesent resign. He's the trade commissioner and Ireland Inc will need lots of EU support if there is a disorderly Brexit


  • #2596
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    divillybit wrote: »
    In the context of the ongoing Brexit negotiations, which haven't gone away you know...i hope Big Phil doesent resign. He's the trade commissioner and Ireland Inc will need lots of EU support if there is a disorderly Brexit

    He'll be replaced by someone else. Policy stays the same.

    Civil servants do most of the work anyway.

    Brexit is going to be pushed down the road.


  • #2597
    Field east
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,476 ✭✭✭Field east


    appledrop wrote: »
    Ha ha its good to laugh through the anger!

    I thought that I was the only one who noticed it. Dat makes two of us. Not enough to make it a resigning matter ,?
    .


  • #2598
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    divillybit wrote: »
    In the context of the ongoing Brexit negotiations, which haven't gone away you know...i hope Big Phil doesent resign. He's the trade commissioner and Ireland Inc will need lots of EU support if there is a disorderly Brexit

    Hogan walking will not make an iota of difference to the trade negotiations, and he is the EU Trade Commissioner not the Ireland Trade Commissioner.


  • #2599
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    He'll be replaced by someone else. Policy stays the same.

    Civil servants do most of the work anyway.

    Brexit is going to be pushed down the road.

    There will be a Commission reshuffle and the replacement (EU may demand a woman nominee from Ireland) will be put in charge of culture. Meanwhile the big countries will be looking on thinking how stupid the new Irish PM is.


  • #2600
    ExMachina1000
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,748 ✭✭✭ExMachina1000


    https://www.facebook.com/116110171774654/posts/3484684268250544/?sfnsn=mo&extid=JFmeblCImkJjXtkZ


    Expanded list now doing the rounds


  • #2601
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Hogan has issued a longer apology just now (read out on radio)
    The game continues.


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  • #2602
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,757 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Micheal must be sweating on no significant clusters emerging from the reopening of the schools. That might be the tipping point. Leo has been busy washing his hands of Micheal lately in case it all comes crashing down.


  • #2603
    DeanAustin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,885 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    I’d assume the 105 minute rule applied to them. Probably a minor detail but wonder if that was observed.


  • #2604
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,949 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »
    But there is no absolute right.

    These people have to be elected, by you and I.

    Political family dynasties exist because of each generation being exposed to polotics from an early age.
    In some households politics and current affairs are topics of everyday conversation, it others it is not, but in the households it is the children tend to be more politically aware as they grow up, vote regularly, get involved in local groups etc.

    In the households of elected representatives, be they local or national, the children are highly exposed to polotics, and become engaged and involved themselves as they grow up, that's why we have dynasties.

    Take Helen McEntee as the perfect example.
    Her father was a politician, she grew up watching him work, she spent years with him on campaigns etc
    She studied politics in college.
    When he died and she ran for the vacant seat the usual rabble on here were giving out about families etc etc, but she was a perfectly qualified individual to run for office.
    And she has proven herself a very capable politician since.

    The Healy Rae's grew up in a family that was impressed in politics, it's no surprise that they would get involved themselves.

    And the family does not always win.
    In 1994 Beverly Flynn can for the seat vacated by her father's move to the EU.

    She lost to newcomer Michael Ring, who has been there ever since.

    It's very clear that Helen McEntee is where she is through her own capabilities.

    The Healy Raes are a different level of basket cases. Danny and the younger ones are quite poor.

    Dynasties are not right in some cases.


  • #2605
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,298 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/116110171774654/posts/3484684268250544/?sfnsn=mo&extid=JFmeblCImkJjXtkZ


    Expanded list now doing the rounds

    Did Donie Cassidy have a table to himself coz he insisted on social distancing??
    Or did nobody want to sit with him??


  • #2606
    Umaro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,561 ✭✭✭Umaro


    lEHJCB3.png

    There you go folks, the apology everyone wanted.


    Thread can be closed now, right?


  • #2607
    coolshannagh28
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,489 ✭✭✭coolshannagh28


    hotmail.com wrote: »
    Hopefully that spells the end of Brian Hayes on radio panels talking sh*te.

    He is a busted flush , credibility shot, the banks and vultures will drop him .


  • #2608
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Sir Oxman wrote: »
    "The Sunday Independent has also learned that senior members of the judiciary, including the Chief Justice, have misgivings about Mr Justice Woulfe's attendance at the gala dinner. Chief Justice Frank Clarke is to speak to Mr Justice Woulfe upon his return from holiday in the coming weeks.

    Point was made on the radio this morning that it's highly questionable for a Supreme Court judge to be attending this sort of event even in 'normal times'. They were talking about the procedure for 'sacking' a judge but you would imagine the government would be very reluctant to go down this road.


  • #2609
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 916 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    ExMachina1000 wrote: »
    https://www.facebook.com/116110171774654/posts/3484684268250544/?sfnsn=mo&extid=JFmeblCImkJjXtkZ


    Expanded list now doing the rounds

    The same list from Thursday night I think.


  • #2610
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,977 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    jojofizzio wrote: »
    Did Donie Cassidy have a table to himself coz he insisted on social distancing??
    Or did nobody want to sit with him??

    Foster & Allen didn't turn up:p


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  • #2611
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Loafing Oaf wrote: »
    Point was made on the radio this morning that it's highly questionable for a Supreme Court judge to be attending this sort of event even in 'normal times'. They were talking about the procedure for 'sacking' a judge but you would imagine the government would be very reluctant to go down this road.
    The Dail can go down the road of impeachment but that is extremely unlikely.
    It's up to Frank Clarke now?


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