FF/FG/Green Next Government

dundalkfc10 · 21-08-2020 01:40PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They are hiding in case someone asks why are Mary-Lou and Pearse still their representatives after breaking the lockdown rules to go to the show pageant funeral of the good republican up North.

Haha I feel your pain

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 01:42PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They are hiding in case someone asks why are Mary-Lou and Pearse still their representatives after breaking the lockdown rules to go to the show pageant funeral of the good republican up North.

Jaysus Blanch152. You're hitting a new low. Are you going to answer any questions today about the Clifden fiasco?

Brendan Bendar · 21-08-2020 01:43PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Ha ha Brendi...you are defending the indefensible here. A FG minister trying to wash her hands of the government her party is in, is absurd. And McInerney knocked the ball out of the park, pulling her on it.

No Francie, you are making a fool of yourself.

You are (as usual) ignoring the salient point I made.

Wrong is wrong, you can’t defend what is blatantly wrong and Reggie was not stupid enough to try.

She wasn’t going to be led down a rabbit hole on this one.

Doesn’t matter what party you belong to unless of course it’s SF

Now Francie, I can dance on the head of a pin for as long as you like, but the answer will always be the same.

Wrong is wrong..... you can’t defend what’s wrong, unless YOU know different.

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 01:53PM

From Fine Gael's New Politics document in 2011

Fine Gael’s starting point is simple: political failure lies at the heart of Ireland’s economic collapse. The finger of responsibility must, in the first instance, point directly to the massive policy failures of the recent Fianna-Fail led Governments and their willingness to promote the interests of a so-called “Golden Circle” over the interests of the Citizen.

http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/08/fine-gael-new-politics-march-2010.pdf

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 01:55PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No Francie, you are making a fool of yourself.

You are (as usual) ignoring the salient point I made.

Wrong is wrong, you can’t defend what is blatantly wrong and Reggie was not stupid enough to try.

She wasn’t going to be led down a rabbit hole on this one.

Doesn’t matter what party you belong to unless of course it’s SF

Now Francie, I can dance on the head of a pin for as long as you like, but the answer will always be the same.

Wrong is wrong..... you can’t defend what’s wrong, unless YOU know different.

The concept of wrong is wrong is not somethign SF adhere to, seems they are passing this down to their supporters

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 01:56PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

From Fine Gael's New Politics document in 2011

http://cdn.thejournal.ie/media/2013/08/fine-gael-new-politics-march-2010.pdf

and?

Is this supposed to mean something?

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 01:58PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

and?

Is this supposed to mean something?

You are most welcome.

The New Politics document from Fine Gael goes on...

The Irish people are rightly outraged at the way in which their country has been misgoverned. However, there is a danger
that this anger, if not addressed through positive reform, will lead to increasing numbers of our citizens disengaging from the democratic process.
This cannot be allowed to happen.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 01:58PM

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

No Francie, you are making a fool of yourself.

You are (as usual) ignoring the salient point I made.

Wrong is wrong, you can’t defend what is blatantly wrong and Reggie was not stupid enough to try.

She wasn’t going to be led down a rabbit hole on this one.

Doesn’t matter what party you belong to unless of course it’s SF

Now Francie, I can dance on the head of a pin for as long as you like, but the answer will always be the same.

Wrong is wrong..... you can’t defend what’s wrong, unless YOU know different.

And you continue the bull. She of course pointed out the wrong...the FF wrong...but took no wrongdoing on behalf of FG on board. They are partnersd in government, the buck for the actions of the government stops with them all.

The government, some of the opposition, the judiciary, the gardai all have answers to give here.

blanch152 · 21-08-2020 01:59PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Jaysus Blanch152. You're hitting a new low. Are you going to answer any questions today about the Clifden fiasco?

You are not around long enough to know whether I have hit another low.

As for answering your questions, I have been here long enough to have seen several incarnations of posters who claim to have never voted for Sinn Fein, but are inclined to give them a vote now that there is no other option, and I really can't be bothered responding to another one.

markodaly · 21-08-2020 02:00PM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

So back to my original point- a change of Gov won’t get rid of Covid but the appointment of some competent ministers would help to assuage people’s fears in a time of real uncertainty.

And who and where are these competent ministers?

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 02:01PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government, some of the opposition, the judiciary, the gardai all have answers to give here.

No they don't

The people are grown adults, we are not a nazi state. The government passed down guidelines not laws. You do understand the difference.

The person involved has quit his position. Why would any organization have to answer anything?

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 02:02PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are not around long enough to know whether I have hit another low.

As for answering your questions, I have been here long enough to have seen several incarnations of posters who claim to have never voted for Sinn Fein, but are inclined to give them a vote now that there is no other option, and I really can't be bothered responding to another one.

You are, like me, a re-incarnation yourself are you not? If that post was directed at me, I never hid the fact I had another account...I changed it after notifying mods.

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 02:03PM

blanch152 wrote: »

You are not around long enough to know whether I have hit another low.

As for answering your questions, I have been here long enough to have seen several incarnations of posters who claim to have never voted for Sinn Fein, but are inclined to give them a vote now that there is no other option, and I really can't be bothered responding to another one.

I've been around for a long, long year
Stole many a man's soul to waste

You actually know I have never voted SF. You know.

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 02:03PM

markodaly wrote: »

And who and where are these competent ministers?

This is the question, I think I asked this yesterday. I have had no response.

It's similar as everyday on here. Complaining about everything with zero alternatives. No alternative plan

Hurlers in the ditch.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 02:04PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No they don't

The people are grown adults, we are not a nazi state. The government passed down guidelines not laws. You do understand the difference.

The person involved has quit his position. Why would any organization have to answer anything?

The Gardai are investigating this to see if regs were broken Shef. Do keep up.

There are fines and possible imprisonment if they were.

Yurt2 · 21-08-2020 02:07PM

RandomViewer wrote: »

SocDems wont get any seats outside of urban areas, old Labour voters, nothing for rural Ireland

Holly Cairns is from a definitively rural constituency (or is West Cork not rural enough?) and is from an agricultural background.

markodaly · 21-08-2020 02:07PM

Hubertj wrote: »

It’s what you expect from SF but from government ministers?

SF are in government in the North remember, and they want to be in government in the south.

ebbsy · 21-08-2020 02:08PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

So it is rotating minister for agriculture

Yes. Fortnightly.

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 02:12PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The Gardai are investigating this to see if regs were broken Shef. Do keep up.

There are fines and possible imprisonment if they were.

This is what you said Francie

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The government, some of the opposition, the judiciary, the gardai all have answers to give here.

So what answers do the Garda have to give?

If they are investigating well and good but they have zero answers to give.

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 02:13PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

You are most welcome.

The New Politics document from Fine Gael goes on...

and?

What is this supposed to mean?

A few posts ago you claimed to be a political expert, that reputation has taken a serious nosedive

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 02:17PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

This is what you said Francie

So what answers do the Garda have to give?

If they are investigating well and good but they have zero answers to give.

There were loads of Garda cars parked outside the event

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 02:18PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

and?

What is this supposed to mean?

A few posts ago you claimed to be a political expert, that reputation has taken a serious nosedive

Incorrect. I claimed to know more than a poster who suggested everyone criticising the goverment is a SF voter/supporter/shill/shinnerbot. Simplistic nonsense.

Hey...you are doing a great job for your beloved FF. Top marks. Keep it up.

FrancieBrady · 21-08-2020 02:18PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

This is what you said Francie

So what answers do the Garda have to give?

If they are investigating well and good but they have zero answers to give.

1. Did they drive somebody out of a restricted zone for a non essential event
2. If the event was 'wrong' why did they not stop it.
That will do for a start

BonnieSituation · 21-08-2020 02:19PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

I have never voted for SF in my life. I probably never will but I am fast running out of options. SF were total idiots to attend that funeral. I couldn't even tell you who died. Their excuses were utter nonsense. They remind me of the Borg in Star Trek. They are part of the reason our political system is so dysfunctional - we don't have a credible opposition to FFG who have gorged on our taxes for decades. SF have many poor and creepy TDs but they are not in govt and did not go to Clifden. How much more do you want? Why do people give FFG a pass because SF exist?
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You can't blame SF on the dysfunction of FF or FG for that matter.

Where's Labour in all your blame?

SF were a non-entity until 1998 really and even then they talked of peaking in 2016 election. It's not credible to blame political parties for the idiocy of other political parties.

The electorate are to "blame" for this. And the fragmented nature of the Dáil is, based on how votes fell, what they want.

I mean, that Lowry still gas a seat. That the healy-raes still have seats. That tax defaulting developer, Mick Wallace consistently got elected is a testament to the idiocy of the people.

So put the blame where it needs to be put.

And if you really want to throw blame around, look at Labour and Gilmore. If they went into opposition in 2011, that would have been the end of FF and a likely victory for Labour in 2016.

Hawthorn Tree · 21-08-2020 02:21PM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

You can't blame SF on the dysfunction of FF or FG for that matter.

Where's Labour in all your blame?

SF were a non-entity until 1998 really and even then they talked of peaking in 2016 election. It's not credible to blame political parties for the idiocy of other political parties.

The electorate are to "blame" for this. And the fragmented nature of the Dáil is, based on how votes fell, what they want.

I mean, that Lowry still gas a seat. That the healy-raes still have seats. That tax defaulting developer, Mick Wallace consistently got elected is a testament to the idiocy of the people.

So put the blame where it needs to be put.

And if you really want to throw blame around, look at Labour and Gilmore. If they went into opposition in 2011, that would have been the end of FF and a likely victory for Labour in 2016.

Labour are a disgrace and have been punished accordingly since 2011. Gilmore certainly feathered his own and his wife's nest in Galway.
I detested AK47 during the Irish Water saga but he has improved.

McMurphy · 21-08-2020 02:23PM

blanch152 wrote: »

They are hiding in case someone asks why are Mary-Lou and Pearse still their representatives after breaking the lockdown rules to go to the show pageant funeral of the good republican up North.

The island wide lockdown was lifted the day before Storeys funeral Blanch, I know this is a difficult time for you, but at least try and pretend you have a clue what you're on about.

Shefwedfan · 21-08-2020 02:26PM

FrancieBrady wrote: »

1. Did they drive somebody out of a restricted zone for a non essential event
2. If the event was 'wrong' why did they not stop it.
That will do for a start

:P
Francie, what are you talking about? so you now think a Garda escort is a baby sitting service for politicians so they can tell them wrong/right?

Are we back to the Nazi party when the Gestapo would kill people for stepping out of line, is that the plan if SF ever got into power.....:P

This is hillarious how you come up with this, the TD was on holidays, it was a private function. Why would a Garda escort get involved if they even where part of his detail that night?

This is baffling

BonnieSituation · 21-08-2020 02:27PM

Shefwedfan wrote: »

He is winding up loads of people.....

Plus for someone who people to hold such an low opinion he has managed to get himself the top job in the Country in politics.....

I mean, he clung on as leader of a party with a serious talent deficit.

And he had to go into coalition with FG to be Taoiseach. What a leader he is. He's not even Jack Lynch "good". And that sums him up really.

I guess "winding people up" is more important than coherent and decisive leadership. No wonder you are so enamoured with him and FF.

Sir Oxman · 21-08-2020 02:32PM

*Unfollows*

BonnieSituation · 21-08-2020 02:33PM

blanch152 wrote: »

Poor Bobby Storey, if only he could have got the republican funeral he deserved.

I seem to have wandered into the an anti-SF thread again.

FF/FG/Green Next Government

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