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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #8432
    Patser
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,541 ✭✭✭Patser


    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    He has stated he self-isolated for two weeks.

    Yep, which is why attention is now on the fact he has a residence in the K Club in KILDARE, so did he travel from there.


  • #8433
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    US2 wrote: »
    Phil Hogan came straight from Belgium to the golf thing in Cliffden, didnt restrict his movements for 14 days.

    Says he's been here 2 weeks but I can't see him been at home for 2 weeks. He's too pig headed for that.


  • #8434
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    partyguinness wrote: »
    Sure it is regulated but what type of point is that? Tell that to people with life changing injuries.

    You are completely missing my point but seems to be quite normal among all the doom merchants on here.

    We are faced with risk every day and 'unknowns' as another poster mentioned. I am not going to live my life in fear otherwise I would never get into a car if I sat around thinking about the death rates and horrific injuries suffered. Likewise I am not going to dwell and fret on the possibility that I might get C19

    Here's the thing, some people don't drive or stop driving out of that very fear. And they are the very type of people who somehow managed to have a major influence on the way in which the government has dealt with the virus. If they had the same influence on car driving we would have empty roads.


  • #8435
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Micky 32 wrote: »
    Yes i have. Myocarditis is not uncommon. There’s not enough longterm evidence to suggest this is caused by the virus. It is quite common in athletes, a lot of football players have dropped dead on the pitch long before covid 19 was around. I’m not sure what’s worse, the hysteria or the virus itself.

    There is sufficient evidence to suggest Myocarditis is caused by the virus. It would be more remarkable if it wasn't given the plain old common cold variety of coronavirus can also cause myocarditis. What warrants further study is if acute Myocarditis occurs a a level post infection that is concerning. The good news is that it usually resolves itself, especially in mild cases which go undetected in most people. We dont appear to be seeing an increase in premature deaths due to the complication however, but further study is needed


  • #8436
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,500 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Arghus wrote: »
    Norma Foley - the invisible education minister - saying that Callery "showed leadership by resigning" - FF are such a shower of gombeens.

    Wow. He showed admirable leadership by resigning in disgrace.


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  • #8437
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Sunrise.Sunset wrote: »
    She's working in a home environment and it's her place of work. Is she wrong to expect a safe work environment where the guidelines on social distancing can be followed to minimise her risk of virus to keep herself and her family safe?

    Yes, she is wrong. There are no guidelines for social distancing among families. If she's not happy she should go somewhere else. Stop being a busybody.


  • #8438
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Deleted User wrote: »
    What warrants further study is if acute Myocarditis occurs a a level post infection that is concerning.

    This is the key question, and presumably we won't have a definitive answer to it for a number of years.


  • #8439
    Micky 32
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Micky 32


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    There is sufficient evidence to suggest Myocarditis is caused by the virus. It would be more remarkable if it wasn't given the plain old common cold variety of coronavirus can also cause myocarditis. What warrants further study is if acute Myocarditis occurs a a level post infection that is concerning. The good news is that it usually resolves itself, especially in mild cases which go undetected in most people. We dont appear to be seeing an increase in premature deaths due to the complication however, but further study is needed

    Myocarditis has been around for a longtime and can be caused by a multitude of viruses that can attack the heart. It’s quite common. Just because you got Covid doesn’t mean that you are more of a chance getting it than any other virus you can pick up. “Lads whatever you do don’t get Covid 19 because you’ll get myocarditis” fear mongering doesn’t wash with me.


  • #8440
    What Username Guidelines
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,139 ✭✭✭What Username Guidelines


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    After all the lecturing the public got from the government, this may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. I can’t see people obeying all the new restrictions when they’ve been so clearly broken by a person who was involved in putting them together.
    Upsets me big time, my aunt died abroad in April and we had to bring her home via boat because all flights stopped. There was 10 of us at the funeral which had to be streamed on Facebook so her closest friends could watch. My grandmother hasn’t really recovered from it since, she couldn’t give a toss about the restrictions anymore after that.
    We’re being led by a load of clowns.

    So sorry to hear that, can’t imagine how angry you must feel regarding this.

    You hit the nail on the head with “lecturing”. The public made a ridiculous amount of sacrifices, some more than others, and we made a difference. A ****ing massive difference. DP, meat plants, and nursing homes get hit again and they lecture the public, referencing the Berlin bar video multiple times during the press conference. Then go to a golf society party. Of course it had to be a golf party.

    I’ve defended the restrictions for the most part, I’ve defended the government on their reaction, at least up until the new coalition, as nobody really knows the best course in any of this, but this has lost my support completely. Definite straw breaking the camels back moment. And then you read Phil Hogans tweet passing off blame onto the hotels federation?

    Piss off.


  • #8441
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.


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  • #8442
    Away With The Fairies
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,077 ✭✭✭Away With The Fairies


    Can somebody tell me why people were advised to avoid public transport this week?

    Yet, there's mandatory masks/face coverings on public transport, which is meant to help if you can't social distance.

    But yet they refuse to do anything to sort out the real problem of the meat factories. They had little PPE. There'll be more like the meat factories and sure enough a mushroom plant comes up during the week.

    And they'll be more again because I know of a few large workplaces and none of their staff wear face masks.


  • #8443
    BonsaiKitten
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,798 ✭✭✭BonsaiKitten


    Away With The Fairies wrote: »
    Can somebody tell me why people were advised to avoid public transport this week?

    Yet, there's mandatory masks/face coverings on public transport, which is meant to help if you can't social distance.

    But yet they refuse to do anything to sort out the real problem of the meat factories. They had little PPE. There'll be more like the meat factories and sure enough a mushroom plant comes up during the week.

    And they'll be more again because I know of a few large workplaces and none of their staff wear face masks.

    My pet theory is that with schools reopening next week, they know that public transport will be crowded and they're hoping to avoid another ****storm there. Or at the very least be able to point to their previous advice and tell us they told us so!


  • #8444
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    Deleted User wrote: »
    We dont appear to be seeing an increase in premature deaths due to the complication however, but further study is needed

    When I last saw my doctor we discussed me possibly having subacute thyroiditis. I need to finish a course of medication I'm on before I can have my hormone levels tested. But it's a common post-viral condition for women aged 20-50 after a respiratory infection. (It occurs in men too but is more common for women.) Interestingly it can cause rapid heart rate. I had initially assumed my myocarditis was as a result of chestwall inflammation but I'm now wondering if the rapid heart rate, I still occasionally get is due to a (hopefully) temporary thyroid issue. Either way, it should resolve completely in the near future.


  • #8445
    iguana
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭iguana


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.

    I'm no fan of Leo but I do suspect that as someone with medical training, from an entire family of past and present medical professionals and who's partner is a medical professional, he does have a more genuine level of concern and insight about the virus.


  • #8446
    Loafing Oaf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,885 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.

    AFAIK it's just removing the whip, or has he actually expelled them from FG? If the latter surely Big Phil would have to go too.


  • #8447
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    iguana wrote: »
    When I last saw my doctor we discussed me possibly having subacute thyroiditis. I need to finish a course of medication I'm on before I can have my hormone levels tested. But it's a common post-viral condition for women aged 20-50 after a respiratory infection. (It occurs in men too but is more common for women.) Interestingly it can cause rapid heart rate. I had initially assumed my myocarditis was as a result of chestwall inflammation but I'm now wondering if the rapid heart rate, I still occasionally get is due to a (hopefully) temporary thyroid issue. Either way, it should resolve completely in the near future.

    Usually when I get a virus I notice my resting heart beat rises by about 10 bpm from around 54 to 64, and then over about 4 to 6 weeks returns to my typical level.

    Interestingly in June this also happened with no symptoms, and is only now starting to return to its normal levels in the past week


  • #8448
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.

    Fair play to him if that is correct.

    Michael Martin belongs to the politics of old.

    Hopefully Leo and Simon setting the tone now.


  • #8449
    Str8outtaWuhan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 968 ✭✭✭Str8outtaWuhan


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.

    withdrawing the whip and party expulsion are not the same thing


  • #8450
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    This should have been explained when the restrictions were announced.
    Thread on why schools can reopen.
    https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1296760361228673027?s=21


  • #8451
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    A judge is suppose to make judgment on people's judgement has said it's regrettable that he didn't know it would breach public health guidelines.

    I wonder how that would go down in his court. "I didn't know your HONOUR that I was about to break the law"

    Let me off


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  • #8452
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Now that's what I call strong leadership by Leo


  • #8453
    MerlinSouthDub
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭MerlinSouthDub


    smelly sock wrote: »
    Fair play to him if that is correct.

    Michael Martin belongs to the politics of old.

    Hopefully Leo and Simon setting the tone now.

    It is not correct. The party whip has been removed. It's a ceremonial sanction with little real impact. They have not been kicked out of the party.


  • #8454
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    withdrawing the whip and party expulsion are not the same thing

    I would have thought party expulsion would require a decision at executive level rather than leadership


  • #8455
    PixieValentine
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86 ✭✭PixieValentine


    Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »
    withdrawing the whip and party expulsion are not the same thing

    Oh, if I’ve got the meaning of that wrong then I’m sorry! I thought it was effectively kicking them out.


  • #8456
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    PixieValentine wrote: »
    Wow, Leo has kicked Buttimer, Cummins and Burke out of the party.
    Word is behind the scenes he's FURIOUS.

    He hasn't kicked them out.


  • #8457
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    This should have been explained when the restrictions were announced.
    Thread on why schools can reopen.
    https://twitter.com/president_mu/status/1296760361228673027?s=21

    Again another incoherent and to the ordinary man and barely legible statement from someone in NPHET.

    **** me, education and intelligence really are different.

    And **** off Philip.


  • #8458
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    The judge said "he should have had the cop on"
    Well no judge.
    What happens when someone in your courtroom should have had the cop on? It's fvcking irrelevant.
    What are the consequences?

    I thought the judiciary are supposed to be independent?
    Wonder how that works on the 19th hole.

    Fvcking cronyism alive and well.
    Ireland's failings are being exposed big time.


  • #8459
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    SPDUB wrote: »
    The problem with this disease is you don't know if you are in the 80% who barely noticed it , the approx 16% who get notable problems and the rest who died .
    That's not really true though is it?

    We know in Ireland that around 12% of cases end up in hospital.

    Which on the face of it says that if you get it, you have a 1 in 8 chance of going to hospital. That sounds pretty bad.

    But that's taking everyone. When we look at the age demographics it becomes clearer where the risk factors lie.

    If you're 65 or over, your chances of being hospitalised jump to 28%.

    Under 65, it's 7.4%

    But even that again is not telling a whole story. Here's how it works out for hospitalisation chances by age:

    65+: 28%
    55-64: 14%
    45-54: 9.4%
    35-44: 5.7%
    25-34: 4.2%
    15-24: 3.4%

    The data gets skewed for lower ages because by implication they're only likely to be tested if they show symptoms and more likely to get admitted to hospital as a matter of precaution whether they need it or not. All of the percentages above are overstated, because they're based on known cases.

    ICU data by age is not provided easily, but over the odds of going to ICU after being hospitalised are about 13%. So applied to the table above, your ICU chances by age are:

    65+: 3.6%
    55-64: 1.8%
    45-54: 1.2%
    35-44: 0.74%
    25-34: 0.55%
    15-24: 0.44%

    Deaths stats would require a but more work, but you see where I'm going with this. All of the above precentages are heavily skewed towards other risk factors too like obesity or existing health conditions.

    So it's not correct to consider catching the virus to be a roll of the dice for anyone. Certainly no more a roll of the dice than any other illness. If you are young and healthy, it is incredibly unlikely that you will see the inside of a hospital, never mind an ICU.


  • #8460
    billybonkers
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,293 ✭✭✭billybonkers


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Says he's been here 2 weeks but I can't see him been at home for 2 weeks. He's too pig headed for that.

    Phil came back to Ireland in late July. Staying at the K Club (Kildare), has been seen in Leinster House while meant to be isolating, travelled from the K Club (Kildare) to Clifden....


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  • #8461
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Call my cynical but this absolute **** show of late gives Leo the perfect chance to look strong ,
    He is loving this


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