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PHIL HOGAN NEEDS TO RESIGN.

  • 21-08-2020 10:07am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    I for one want him gone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,609 ✭✭✭stoneill


    I agee!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,923 ✭✭✭SouthWesterly


    I would imagine that will be down to his boss. He'll brazen it out if he can


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    I wouldn't want to be the unfortunate person tasked with asking him to consider his position


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    He'll hold onto his pension though. In my mind all these guys should have their pensions removed and told to go swing.

    ec-president-vdl@ec.europa.eu

    That's Hogan's bosses email contact. Let them know how you feel about this. I have emailed them this morning.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,795 ✭✭✭Mrcaramelchoc


    He'll hold onto his pension though. In my mind all these guys should have their pensions removed and told to go swing.

    ec-president-vdl@ec.europa.eu

    That's Hogan's bosses email contact. Let them know how you feel about this. I have emailed them this morning.

    Brilliant i will be doing exactly that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,304 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    No chance he will style it out imo....the big head on him he thinks he is untouchable


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 725 ✭✭✭ethical


    Big Phil,The arrogant untouchable wont go,there are many of his ilk in Irish Society,look at the ETBs for instance,"lads" "retired " for 30 years and still on the gravy train...UNTOUCHABLES in a GOLDEN CIRCLE,but how dare you tell them this or your career will stall and go nowhere while they get the cream.

    Its time all these BSTARDS were rooted out of Irish Society!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    gmisk wrote: »
    No chance he will style it out imo....the big head on him he thinks he is untouchable

    He has gotten this far in life with that method, I can see him sticking it out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Although European Commissioners are nominated by Member State governments, they are not appointed by them and they cannot dismissed by them. The Commission as a whole can be dismissed by the Parliament, but I don't think the Parliament has the power to dismiss invidual Comissioners. It could, I suppose, threaten to dismiss the entire Commission if an individual Commissioner did niot resign.

    I don't know whether the President of the Commission can fire an individual Commissioner, but she could certainly request him to resign. And she could effectively force him to resign by reallocating portfolios within the Commission so that he had nothing to do.

    But none of this really matters. The only reason we notice Hogan's transgression is because he is Irish, and it happened here. When was the last time you heard about a personal transgression of another European Commissioner that had nothing to do with the discharge of his functions? Hogan's attendance at this dinner won't even be a blip in the news cycle outside Ireland, and it won't bother the Commission or the Parliament. It has nothing at all to do with his job as Commissioner with responsiblity for Agriculture and Rural Development.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,816 ✭✭✭skooterblue2


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    Although European Commissioners are nominated by Member State governments, they are not appointed by them and they cannot dismissed by them. The Commission as a whole can be dismissed by the Parliament, but I don't think the Parliament has the power to dismiss invidual Comissioners. It could, I suppose, threaten to dismiss the entire Commission if an individual Commissioner did niot resign.

    Hogan's attendance at this dinner won't even be a blip in the news cycle outside Ireland, and it won't bother the Commission or the Parliament. It has nothing at all to do with his job as Commissioner with responsiblity for Agriculture and Rural Development.

    Could the Irish government recall him like an ambassador and send a replacement. I dont see this happening either.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Could the Irish government recall him like an ambassador and send a replacement. I dont see this happening either.
    No, they can't. They didn't appoint him. He doesn't represent them. His official connection with the Irish state is zero - none at all.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,250 ✭✭✭Seamai


    He'll hold onto his pension though. In my mind all these guys should have their pensions removed and told to go swing.

    ec-president-vdl@ec.europa.eu

    That's Hogan's bosses email contact. Let them know how you feel about this. I have emailed them this morning.

    Done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    He'll hold onto his pension though. In my mind all these guys should have their pensions removed and told to go swing.

    ec-president-vdl@ec.europa.eu

    That's Hogan's bosses email contact. Let them know how you feel about this. I have emailed them this morning.

    oh ffs, the covid police are at it again.

    Your email will go immediately into the trash bin where it belongs.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭artanevilla


    The Teflon Don.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭thebronze14


    Could the Irish government recall him like an ambassador and send a replacement. I dont see this happening either.
    I vote for an inanimate carbon rod


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 603 ✭✭✭Gentleman Off The Pitch


    Big Phil, too big to fall


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,122 ✭✭✭Imhof Tank


    Didnt he resign before when junior minister department of finance in the Rainbow, leaked the budget and did the honorable thing IIRC


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Has Leo made any comments yet?


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    John 8:7


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    He is an excellent commissioner. He should stay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    Has Leo made any comments yet?

    Probably gone off shopping for shoes


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    I’m still trying to get over the Moroccan ambassador been there. Probably the best Moroccan ambassador ever. What was he thinking.


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 1,105 ✭✭✭Limpy


    The Oligarchs in the EU wont want the apple cart upset. The trough will be kept open for Hogan. If he Broke quarantine then maybe he will come under pressure. Hopefully he falls on his trotters.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,713 ✭✭✭Gods Gift


    Has Leo made any comments yet?

    To paraphrase love actually. I’m just a boy standing in front of a commissioner, asking him to resign.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    He is an excellent commissioner. He should stay.
    If he resigns does that mean he will want his old village idiot job back. There's a quque of people in Kilkenny on that list. He cant just barge in and take it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,222 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I would love it if Trickle has to resign. Arrogant and entitled as they come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    Can you tell me why he should resign


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    Why exactly would we want someone who's fighting our corner during Brexit negotiations to resign and most likely be replaced with somebody from another country who won't have as much interest in Ireland?

    Because he had dinner out during lockdown? It was a stupid thing to do but I assume the other million plus people in the country who have also done that at some point should resign from their jobs too by that logic?


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  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,504 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    if he resigns, Does this not mean ireland Looses it's commisioner?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    if he resigns, Does this not mean ireland Looses it's commisioner?

    Yeah but who cares about that. Pitchforks out everyone :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,678 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    if he resigns, Does this not mean ireland Looses it's commisioner?
    We'd get to nominate a replacement.

    Though, note, the Commissioner nominated by Ireland is not "Ireland's Commisioner". He may in practice be a useful point of contact, but he doesn't represent Ireland or Irish interests and is not accountable to the Irish government.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,874 ✭✭✭Edgware


    quokula wrote: »
    Why exactly would we want someone who's fighting our corner during Brexit negotiations to resign and most likely be replaced with somebody from another country who won't have as much interest in Ireland?

    Because he had dinner out during lockdown? It was a stupid thing to do but I assume the other million plus people in the country who have also done that at some point should resign from their jobs too by that logic?

    The Blueshirts are out of bed. You actually believe this "fighting our corner" ****e


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,654 ✭✭✭✭For Forks Sake


    https://twitter.com/PhilHoganEU/status/1296748601583063040

    Statement out, he says he's in the country since July


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,362 ✭✭✭landofthetree


    Edgware wrote: »
    If he resigns does that mean he will want his old village idiot job back. There's a quque of people in Kilkenny on that list. He cant just barge in and take it
    He is doing excellent work at EU level.
    His record shows this.

    His work with Japan on a free trade deal is probably the greatest achievement by an Irishman in EU history.

    Access to cheaper better quality Japanese goods for us.

    Of course SF and Ming were against it. No surprises they hate free trade like Trump.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/ming-and-sinn-fein-not-up-for-trade-with-tokyo-428148


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  • Posts: 5,311 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Gerry T wrote: »
    Can you tell me why he should resign

    He attended a function which broke government restrictions and having arrived from a non greenlist country, didn't self-isolate for the requisite 14 days prior. I've been around the block long enough to see through the twaddle put out by his spokesperson. It's absurd that a high ranking official can arrogantly flaunt the regulations, yet the rest of us commoners have to meekly abide or face punishment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,661 ✭✭✭quokula


    He attended a function which broke government restrictions and having arrived from a non greenlist country, didn't self-isolate for the requisite 14 days prior. I've been around the block long enough to see through the twaddle put out by his spokesperson. It's absurd that a high ranking official can arrogantly flaunt the regulations, yet the rest of us commoners have to meekly abide or face punishment.

    If you read any of the covid threads on Boards you'd know the "commoners" aren't meekly abiding and certainly aren't facing punishment. I wish we did have stronger measures in place to stop people ignoring the rules but we don't.

    As far as we can tell from the facts, it's not true that he arrived from a non green list country less than 14 days prior, and he believed the hotel was following guidelines. I have a staycation booked next week. I expect to eat dinner in the hotel, just like many thousands of other people doing similar.

    I assume the hotel will be following guidelines, but I also assume I won't be expected to resign from my job in the private sector when I get back if it turns out they did something wrong.

    I'd hate Ireland to shoot itself in the foot by losing one of our most successful representatives in Europe to appease baying mobs who don't know what they're talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,719 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    He'll hold onto his pension though. In my mind all these guys should have their pensions removed and told to go swing.

    If I am made redundant today, the accrued pension benefits are preserved.

    It is impossible to remove that from any worker.


    If somebody is let go from Vodafone, should they lose their accrued preserved pension benefits from the Vodafone pension scheme?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭silver2020


    He is doing excellent work at EU level.
    His record shows this.

    His work with Japan on a free trade deal is probably the greatest achievement by an Irishman in EU history.

    Access to cheaper better quality Japanese goods for us.

    Of course SF and Ming were against it. No surprises they hate free trade like Trump.

    https://www.farmersjournal.ie/ming-and-sinn-fein-not-up-for-trade-with-tokyo-428148

    be careful letting people know that he's particularly good at his job, the SF shills and covid police will be after you


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,023 ✭✭✭✭Joe_ Public


    If there are no grounds for Phil Hogan to resign, then i wonder if Calleary and Buttimer would feel they acted hastily. If the difference is that Hogan doesnt see himself as accountable to the irish people, then i could see why there would be widespread anger over it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭Granadino


    Never liked him anyway. An arrogant man.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,855 ✭✭✭DeanAustin


    quokula wrote: »
    If you read any of the covid threads on Boards you'd know the "commoners" aren't meekly abiding and certainly aren't facing punishment. I wish we did have stronger measures in place to stop people ignoring the rules but we don't.

    As far as we can tell from the facts, it's not true that he arrived from a non green list country less than 14 days prior, and he believed the hotel was following guidelines. I have a staycation booked next week. I expect to eat dinner in the hotel, just like many thousands of other people doing similar.

    I assume the hotel will be following guidelines, but I also assume I won't be expected to resign from my job in the private sector when I get back if it turns out they did something wrong.

    I'd hate Ireland to shoot itself in the foot by losing one of our most successful representatives in Europe to appease baying mobs who don't know what they're talking about.

    Regardless of what sort of job he is doing, you have to judge whether what he did was a sackable offence. That’s the only question that needs to be answered.

    If it was for Buttimer and Calleary, which personally I think it was, then it is for Hogan. In public office, there is a much higher standard expected of you than regular citizens. Therefore, in my view, Hogan should resign.

    That he is good at his job is regrettable but any loss to Ireland or the Irish people would be as a result of his actions and his actions alone.

    Muddying the waters with how good he is or isn’t or how this will impact Ireland’s interests is putting personal interests before what’s the right thing to do and that inevitably leads to a culture of “one rule for one group and one rule for others.”


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    If Hogan steps down it will destroy him.

    He has spend his entire political career trying to shaft the Irish people and now when he is on the cusp on financially screwing us again he might not be able to see it through.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 27,266 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    If there are no grounds for Phil Hogan to resign, then i wonder if Calleary and Buttimer would feel they acted hastily. If the difference is that Hogan doesnt see himself as accountable to the irish people, then i could see why there would be widespread anger over it.

    He literally isn't accountable to the Irish people, it is not a matter of opinion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,446 ✭✭✭Gerry T


    He attended a function which broke government restrictions and having arrived from a non greenlist country, didn't self-isolate for the requisite 14 days prior. I've been around the block long enough to see through the twaddle put out by his spokesperson. It's absurd that a high ranking official can arrogantly flaunt the regulations, yet the rest of us commoners have to meekly abide or face punishment.


    Did he, he says he was in the country since July so thats the second part of your argument blown.
    The function had the 80 group split into two and was in compliance with the rules prior to the recent change. Whats your issue ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,898 ✭✭✭daheff


    I for one want him gone.

    there are plenty of reasons why he should resign. Would you care to elaborate on why you want him gone?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,138 ✭✭✭Ger Roe


    quokula wrote: »
    If you read any of the covid threads on Boards you'd know the "commoners" aren't meekly abiding and certainly aren't facing punishment. I wish we did have stronger measures in place to stop people ignoring the rules but we don't.

    As far as we can tell from the facts, it's not true that he arrived from a non green list country less than 14 days prior, and he believed the hotel was following guidelines. I have a staycation booked next week. I expect to eat dinner in the hotel, just like many thousands of other people doing similar.

    I assume the hotel will be following guidelines, but I also assume I won't be expected to resign from my job in the private sector when I get back if it [/U]turns out they did something wrong.

    I'd hate Ireland to shoot itself in the foot by losing one of our most successful representatives in Europe to appease baying mobs who don't know what they're talking about.

    He did something wrong. When he (and others) walked in and saw how the event was being managed, they should have walked straight out again.
    That would have been the honourable and safest thing to do - show some leadership. Walk out and let the authorities know that the restrictions were not being followed.

    'It was someone else's fault" wont wash in this circumstance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Just waiting for the photo of Big Phil to emerge swigging a pint down in the local during his quarantine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,193 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    the baying mob are baying i see

    i for one want everyone who was in Berlin the other night sacked from their jobs and their pensions taken from them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,213 ✭✭✭✭Penn


    Gerry T wrote: »
    Did he, he says he was in the country since July so thats the second part of your argument blown.
    The function had the 80 group split into two and was in compliance with the rules prior to the recent change. Whats your issue ?

    The group wasn't split in two. It was the same event and a flimsy half-open partition between the the two groups doesn't negate the mingling likely before and after.

    It was one event and the reason they put up a partition was because they knew they were having an event for more than 50 people. Trying to wave it away as "We put a partition up" doesn't change that.

    If it had been a 140 person wedding split into 3 groups with the same partitions, the same people would be condemning it.


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