Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

JP Liz V1 · 20-08-2020 11:02PM

An Ciarraioch wrote: »

Now being reported by the Independent that Phil Hogan was at the function, which raises further quarantine issues.

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1296557560787546114

:rolleyes:

igCorcaigh · 20-08-2020 11:02PM

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1296564302485299201?s=19

igCorcaigh · 20-08-2020 11:03PM

We are so long away from herd immunity, if that is around 70%

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:05PM

JP Liz V1 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1296557560787546114

:rolleyes:

Odds that he self isolated for 2 weeks beforehand? Slim to none.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 11:05PM

17 in hospital, increase of 1 (Kerry)
6 in ICU and 3 ventilated, no change

igCorcaigh · 20-08-2020 11:07PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

17 in hospital, increase of 1 (Kerry)
6 in ICU and 3 ventilated, no change

We are coping very well with the levels of illness from this virus.

I wish all the best to those in care.

Seamai · 20-08-2020 11:09PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

We are coping very well with the levels of illness from this virus.

I wish all the best to those in care.

Let's all hope it stays this low.

bb1234567 · 20-08-2020 11:09PM

igCorcaigh wrote: »

https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1296564302485299201?s=19

So the US is approaching herd immunity then in some regions perhaps. Would be really interesting to compare with other large countries like Brazil, surely a large percent of Brazilians have contracted Covid by now, likely far more than the 10-20% of Americans given Brazil had no lockdown unlike the states.

Micky 32 · 20-08-2020 11:10PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

He needs to talk some sense into his grandmother by the sounds of it.

Really? Stop talking nonsense. She’s 90 years old and possibly hasn’t much time left anyway. You could get a bad stroke at any minute at that age. I say fair play to her.

bb1234567 · 20-08-2020 11:12PM

Micky 32 wrote: »

Really? Stop talking nonsense. She’s 90 years old and possibly hasn’t much time left. You could get a bad stroke at any minute at that age. I say fair play to her.

You can enjoy your life and still take some sensible precautions I think we could all agree. If she's healthy she may have plenty of years left to live , but Covid would make that unlikely if she were to contract it so unnecessarily with an irrational 'f*ck it' attitude.

For the record I'm against the cocooning concept and total isolation, it's inhumane, especially at that age where every last year is getting more precious . But the poster made it sound as if she has thrown all caution to the wind, it's just a bad time to be doing that.

Micky 32 · 20-08-2020 11:15PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

You can enjoy your life and still take some sensible precautions I think we could all agree. If she's healthy she may have plenty of years left to live , but Covid would make that unlikely if she were to contract it through an irrational '**** it' attitude.

How do you know she’s not taking precautions? You can still move around taking precautions. Like i said fair play to her because we don’t know when it will end. There’s no guarantee living “ plenty of years” when your 90.

I was shopping for the auld pair today, there was a good few old people in there. I also noticed Dunnes not enforcing the masks either.

Ce he sin · 20-08-2020 11:15PM

Deleted User wrote: »

68 out of 60 million population. That would be like 5 in our country. Extremely low.

Like I said....low, but rising. Hopefully the numbers will level off soon, but just a few months ago there were none.

Gentleman Off The Pitch · 20-08-2020 11:15PM

road_high wrote: »

Sadly we’re not a very practical stoic nation. Many are very easily panicked and tend to hit the emotional button at every given opportunity. They’re not capable of calmly looking at statistics and demand a zero risk approach to all life which just isn’t practical. That’s why it’s such a meal getting schools/anything reopened. Plus welfare and public expenditure is too freely available there’s little incentive to get back to a (As possible) normal productive life.
Countries in Europe have been through far worse in their recent histories, we stood back from all that as we usually do which may have given us a greater sense of perspective on something like this.

Can you give me an example of a school in Europe or anywhere, with similar class sizes or teacher/pupil ratio to Ireland, where masks are not mandatory, where if possible just 1m social distance is to be achieved, and where similar guidelines to Ireland are followed, where there has been a successful return to school? Genuine question.

I agree with your general point that other nation's are more used to dealing with trauma than us and also I agree that pupils have to get back to school, but there's room for more nuance than repeatedly shouting "the schools have to go back, end of" and dismissing any concerns with disparaging remarks

khalessi · 20-08-2020 11:18PM

Another type of Irish classroom MM will be running to tomorrow I'm sure

https://twitter.com/sfaysocialist/status/1296485244644872194

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 11:19PM

I’ll let my grandmother know Jim_Hodge is very disappointed in her

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-08-2020 11:19PM

Ce he sin wrote: »

I'm afraid I am. Here are the figures for intensive care:
6 Aug 42
7 Aug 42
8 Aug 43
9 Aug 45
10 Aug 46
11 Aug 49
12 Aug 53
13 Aug 55
14 Aug 56
15 Aug 55
16 Aug 56
17 Aug 58
18 Aug 58
19 Aug 66
20 Aug 68

Yes, the numbers are low compared to a couple of months ago, but they're up more than 50% in two weeks. It won't take long for the numbers to become large again.

Are these numbers correct? If so, Italy is doing superb

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:24PM

khalessi wrote: »

Another type of Irish classroom MM will be running to tomorrow I'm sure

https://twitter.com/sfaysocialist/status/1296485244644872194

Wasn't he a secondary school teacher himself? He said he isn't in politics for the money, would he go back?

Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 11:24PM

This Clifden party with FF+FG will make people so angry now. The government have completely lost their authority in recent weeks.

20-08-2020 11:25PM

road_high wrote: »

Sadly we’re not a very practical stoic nation. Many are very easily panicked and tend to hit the emotional button at every given opportunity. They’re not capable of calmly looking at statistics and demand a zero risk approach to all life which just isn’t practical. That’s why it’s such a meal getting schools/anything reopened. Plus welfare and public expenditure is too freely available there’s little incentive to get back to a (As possible) normal productive life.
Countries in Europe have been through far worse in their recent histories, we stood back from all that as we usually do which may have given us a greater sense of perspective on something like this.

We are a relatively wealthy western european country. Why would people take unnecessary risks unless they had no choice? Those other countries you refer to probably didn't have a choice in their situations. Previous generations in this country went through plenty of "hard times". The famine, civil war, depopulation of the country from 1850s to 1970s, the troubles, complete banking collapse. Plenty of hard times there, but you don't make a bad situation worse.

Always_Running · 20-08-2020 11:25PM

April 16th was brought up at this evenings press conference. Was it the peak date? For comparison and some perspective.

Cases - April 16th 629 v today 136
Deaths - April 16th 43 v today 1
People in hospital - April 16th 865 v today 17
People in ICU - April 16th 144 v today 6

20-08-2020 11:27PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I know rightly what my friends and family are all doing to keep as safe as we possibly can. He needs to talk some sense into his grandmother by the sounds of it.

The woman is 90 years of age!! It makes perfect sense to me that she live out the rest of her life as she sees fit and not lock herself away.

My father is almost 78. Cocooning would be worse than Covid so he chooses to continue on living. He doesn't have decades left so he is going to make the best of what he does have.

Arghus · 20-08-2020 11:29PM

Hard to call what's going to happen about the party. If he's going to go he'll be gone quick enough because it won't be allowed to hang around and become a bigger problem like Barry Cowen was. But he might just be able to brass neck it out - because there was all sorts at it from all political parties and judges and journalists. That's some handy cover and people mightn't want too many questions asked about their own colleagues behaviour.

The apology stinks though. Ah, I'm really sorry now that I've been rumbled.

Ce he sin · 20-08-2020 11:30PM

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

Are these numbers correct? If so, Italy is doing superb

Well, they're from the source that worldometers uses....
Not sure how you can describe them as superb. Case numbers continue to rise (they're now back to late May figures) and there's a lag between notifications and entry to intensive care. Time will tell I'm afraid.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:31PM

Even Bosco has come out against Calleary.. :pac:

https://twitter.com/boscosbox/status/1296546972854358018

podgeandrodge · 20-08-2020 11:33PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

I suspect I know more of them than you and most are definitely taking extreme care.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Strange comment I've a almost-90 year old grandmother who meets with her friend in cafe's every week, drives around doing shopping herself with barely any extra precautions other than a mask. Her friends do the same. Most older/vulnerable people are sick to death of staying at home.

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Not the vulnerable people I know.

Vicxas wrote: »

Most vulnerable people are cocooning.

Deleted User wrote: »

The woman is 90 years of age!! It makes perfect sense to me that she live out the rest of her life as she sees fit and not lock herself away.

My father is almost 78. Cocooning would be worse than Covid so he chooses to continue on living. He doesn't have decades left so he is going to make the best of what he does have.

As is my mother at 80. Totally had enough of the Government advice, especially the contradictory nature of it. Living her life and enjoying herself, while taking normal precautions like everyone else.

I've heard far more from people on here going on with the "don't forget the elderly", "what about the elderly", etc, but none of the elderly people I know are panicking just yet.

Deeper Blue · 20-08-2020 11:33PM

Calleary has to resign surely?

20-08-2020 11:35PM

Italy has far superior data than ours. The vast majority are at home and hospitalisation is extremely low.

They have the current case numbers. First column is hospital, second is ICU third is home. No indication of presymptomatic or asymptomatic.

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Stheno · 20-08-2020 11:35PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

You would think so

podgeandrodge · 20-08-2020 11:36PM

Eod100 wrote: »

Even Bosco has come out against Calleary.. :pac:

https://twitter.com/boscosbox/status/1296546972854358018

Betcha Bosco wouldn't be coming out if it was a non-white person, or perhaps a member of another minority religion though. Bosco is pretty left wing for a puppet.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 11:36PM

El Sueño wrote: »

Calleary has to resign surely?

It's a tricky one as FG senators at it too so they might not push too hard for that. SF will rightly make it an issue but as Dail off might brazen it out. Because government is so weak I wouldn't be surprised if he did tbh. It can't afford to sacrifice any goodwill they have left for 1 minister.

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