Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

regulators · 20-08-2020 09:24PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So, in effect, retirement age drops to 60 until a vaccine is found? Do you realise how many in the labour market are over 60 and how much over 60s contribute to the economy and what pensioning them off will cost?

Yep what else can you do, keep closing down counties, schools, colleges, factories, building sites, offices, Supermarkets etc. and testing every single person when there is an outbreak?

As I said it's just going to keep going around in circles. It's not going away.

bb1234567 · 20-08-2020 09:26PM

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

So, in effect, retirement age drops to 60 until a vaccine is found? Do you realise how many in the labour market are over 60 and how much over 60s contribute to the economy and what pensioning them off will cost?

Not saying I necessarily agree with his suggestion but is it not a better idea than keeping a significant number of the under 60 age groups also not working?

stephenjmcd · 20-08-2020 09:27PM

Very sorry I'm sure. I thought the guidelines according to his boss were "very clear"
https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1296533755725832194?s=19

spookwoman · 20-08-2020 09:34PM

So what's the excuse for tonights 136

caveat emptor · 20-08-2020 09:35PM

washman3 wrote: »

Which goes to prove that she never had Covid19 in the first place, along with her cronies Tubridy and Claire Byrne, all of whom crave public attention.
Or maybe they had the special 'celebrity version' emulating Tom Hanks, Banderos and a few other dim-wits like themselves...:mad:

Yeah complete crisis actors. Like the ones in china and every other country since.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 09:36PM

spookwoman wrote: »

So what's the excuse for tonights 136

Why do you try to provoke argument? Why are you looking for an excuse?

20-08-2020 09:37PM

washman3 wrote: »

Which goes to prove that she never had Covid19 in the first place, along with her cronies Tubridy and Claire Byrne, all of whom crave public attention.
Or maybe they had the special 'celebrity version' emulating Tom Hanks, Banderos and a few other dim-wits like themselves...:mad:

Bit harsh there lad.

B.A._Baracus · 20-08-2020 09:37PM

spookwoman wrote: »

So what's the excuse for tonights 136

Honestly... I'm getting put off reading this thread as it appears no matter what the number a certain number of posters will make an excuse as to why it's high.

It could be a million cases tomorrow and sure it's not accurate.... Etc. Be grand. Etc.

20-08-2020 09:41PM

I see that the Netherlands cases from the 2nd - 15th of August is 7,700

We are not doing too badly

pc7 · 20-08-2020 09:43PM

spookwoman wrote: »

So what's the excuse for tonights 136

Minister and a load of Senators had a hoolie

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 09:45PM

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Very sorry I'm sure. I thought the guidelines according to his boss were "very clear"
https://twitter.com/MaryERegan/status/1296533755725832194?s=19

Sorry he was caught more like. This government is so weak that you could see him resign and being replaced with a minister from Kildare.

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-08-2020 09:45PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Honestly... I'm getting put off reading this thread as it appears no matter what the number a certain number of posters will make an excuse as to why it's high.

It could be a million cases tomorrow and sure it's not accurate.... Etc. Be grand. Etc.

The analysis of the numbers by some on this thread have been superb and better than what I read in the press. Why shouldn't people ask why positive tests are not being reported in good time and causing backlogs and uneven data.

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 09:46PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

That's brilliant. I don't mean any disrespect to the doctors when I say second opinions. Generally with big things I always try to triangulate opinions off a number of experts. (dangerous to use that word here)

Got the idea from the Ray Dalio book principles. He's worth about 17 billion and tells how one doctor said that he should be disembowelled to curtail the growth of a cancer. He got 3 world class people on the phone and they suggested a far less radical course of action. Then 2 more confirmed it. We can't all do that but two can help.

Won't post whole thing here but have a read.

http://meaningring.com/2019/05/03/life-principles-3-4/

Incredible. I read the whole thing, thanks. At the risk of diverging off topic, I was absolutely blown away by the level of collaboration and expertise in her treatment. Within hours of admission, she was seen by many consultants, and each of them spoke with colleagues worldwide. Without any sort of hesitation, they sent blood samples to various labs in Ireland, Great Ormond Street hospital, Newcastle, Italy, and the Netherlands, and they had a diagnosis on day 6. She was the third child in Ireland ever diagnosed with the condition. It’s unreal what goes on behind the scenes in the HSE. Thanks to a business contact, we got input from a professor in immunology in Great Ormond Street who heard who were dealing with in Our Lady’s and basically said “look you’re in the best hands you could be” so I’ll trust this lad

20-08-2020 09:46PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Honestly... I'm getting put off reading this thread as it appears no matter what the number a certain number of posters will make an excuse as to why it's high.

It could be a million cases tomorrow and sure it's not accurate.... Etc. Be grand. Etc.

R rate has dropped from 1.8 to 1.2 in last two weeks. Heading in the right direction. :pac::pac:

Cannot just look at one number in isolation and wish it was less.

smelly sock · 20-08-2020 09:46PM

Callerys antics could topple this government.

FF really are a shower of cowboys, conmen and gangsters.

theballz · 20-08-2020 09:46PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I see that the Netherlands cases from the 2nd - 15th of August is 7,700

We are not doing too badly

No actually, we are doing very badly.

Plumbthedepths · 20-08-2020 09:49PM

caveat emptor wrote: »

It’s not well known yet. Warrants precaution.

https://twitter.com/erictopol/status/1296453662022291457?s=21

A reply he received.

ran nir-paz (@rannirpaz1) Tweeted: @EricTopol @JPediatr @LaelYonker @MGH_RI @MGH_Mucosalists @arianaeunjung Age 17-22 are not kids.... https://twitter.com/rannirpaz1/status/1296484471525576704?s=20

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 09:50PM

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Honestly... I'm getting put off reading this thread as it appears no matter what the number a certain number of posters will make an excuse as to why it's high.

It could be a million cases tomorrow and sure it's not accurate.... Etc. Be grand. Etc.

To be honest the thread has improved the last few days. It goes through waves of sniping and either doom mongers or sugar coaters getting ganged up on. The analysis of numbers is excellent here and there’s always a “reason” for high and low numbers. Identifying it as a cluster, or late reporting, or whatever doesn’t mean the cases are being minimised at all, it just means we understand what’s going on a bit better. I think as more posters realise you don’t have to belong in either camp, the numbers can be discussed civilly.

regulators · 20-08-2020 09:50PM

spookwoman wrote: »

So what's the excuse for tonights 136

:pac: It will be back to March/April numbers before long, especially with the 1,250,000 students returning. Then we go back to full lock down again for two or three months. Then rinse and repeat as not going away.

Just keep the over 60's and those with underlying illness isolate and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 09:51PM

Kingston Mills is on Prime Time right now, saying government are overreacting. Arguing there's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed go watch matches.

tigger123 · 20-08-2020 09:53PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Kingston Mills is on Prime Time right now, saying government are overreacting. Arguing there's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed go watch matches.

Did he not say that talk of a lockdown is an overreaction? Not that the government are overreacting.

smelly sock · 20-08-2020 09:53PM

Kinsgley mills hinting the nail on the head re the sport v pubs debate.

The more you look at it the more that really is a total ****ty decision by nphet amd govt.

Nobody has been able to clearly explain why goong to a pub for food with up to 80 people in is safer than standing on a sideline outdoors.

Scummy.

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 09:53PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Did he not say that talk of a lockdown is an overreaction? Not that the government are overreacting.

He said they're overreactionary. He discussed the pubs vs sports.

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 09:54PM

There's a behavioral scientist who advises NPHET on Prime Time. Fairly common sense stuff. If you want change of behaviour you need clear explanations he says. Not exactly rocket science.

smelly sock · 20-08-2020 09:54PM

tigger123 wrote: »

Did he not say that talk of a lockdown is an overreaction? Not that the government are overreacting.

Same thing. He absolutely said its nonsense to suggest you cant go to a match but can go to a pub.

20-08-2020 09:55PM

regulators wrote: »

:pac: It will be back to March/April numbers before long, especially with the 1,250,000 students returning. Then we go back to full lock down again for two or three months. Then rinse and repeat as not going away.

Just keep the over 60's and those with underlying illness isolate and let the rest of us get on with our lives.

Unlikely NPHET are guided by r rate/hospitalisations.

It's a balancing act.

Cannot see bars being opened for the foreseeable though.

Alchohol and SD don't work.

regulators · 20-08-2020 09:56PM

smelly sock wrote: »

Same thing. He absolutely said its nonsense to suggest you cant go to a match but can go to a pub.

1,250,000 students returning to school/college possibly infecting there parents as well.

Yet you can't have a pint in your local or go to your local GAA match.

An absolute joke.

Gerry Hatrick · 20-08-2020 09:56PM

This guy on Primetime has had too much coffee

Jim_Hodge · 20-08-2020 09:56PM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Not saying I necessarily agree with his suggestion but is it not a better idea than keeping a significant number of the under 60 age groups also not working?

It goes further than just pensioning them off. It would also tell a huge section of our society that their lives are effectively over and of no value. There are 650000 people over 65 and that would grow significantly with over 60s,

khalessi · 20-08-2020 09:57PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

A reply he received.

ran nir-paz (@rannirpaz1) Tweeted: @EricTopol @JPediatr @LaelYonker @MGH_RI @MGH_Mucosalists @arianaeunjung Age 17-22 are not kids.... https://twitter.com/rannirpaz1/status/1296484471525576704?s=20

Obviously the guy who replied did not read the study.

Our final cohort included 145 patients with mild to moderate illness within 1 week of symptom onset. We compared 3 groups: young children younger than 5 years (n = 46), older children aged 5 to 17 years (n = 51), and adults aged 18 to 65 years (n = 48).
We found similar median (interquartile range) CT values for older children (11.1 [6.3-15.7]) and adults (11.0 [6.9-17.5]).

However, young children had significantly lower median (interquartile range) CT values (6.5 [4.8-12.0]), indicating that young children have equivalent or more viral nucleic acid in their upper respiratory tract compared with older children and adults (Figure).

The observed differences in median CT values between young children and adults approximate a 10-fold to 100-fold greater amount of SARS-CoV-2 in the upper respiratory tract of young children.

We performed a sensitivity analysis and observed a similar statistical difference between groups when including those with unknown symptom duration. Additionally, we identified only a very weak correlation between symptom duration and CT in the overall cohort (Spearman ρ = 0.22) and in each subgroup (young children, Spearman ρ = 0.20; older children, Spearman ρ = 0.19; and adults, Spearman ρ = 0.10).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/2768952
https://www.sciencealert.com/study-suggests-young-children-are-carrying-higher-levels-of-coronavirus

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