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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #8042
    Oranage2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,129 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    Well Holy God :eek: Dara the minister for agriculture should be sorting out the meat plants, people will revolt against this government and their "restrictions and recommendations"

    If only the Gardai had special powers to be able to break up these massive indoor parties...


  • #8043
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    Oranage2 wrote: »
    If only the Gardai had special powers to be able to break up these massive indoor parties...

    Better off leaving the house parties go as mostly younger people and open up back the pubs and get things back to normal.

    Start building up herd immunity. Your never going to eliminate the virus.

    People 60 or should take pension if have one or given the state pension at 60 for a while and cocoon. People with underlying conditions continue on the 350 a week.

    Open back the pubs and sporting events. Its getting ridicolous now. Just have the over 60's self isolate and people with underlying conditions self isolate.

    Its coming to this pretty soon, especially with the schools reopening.


  • #8044
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    JP Liz V1 wrote: »
    How many worldwide have died from it now

    From it directly? Nobody has a clue.

    And it's still the wrong question.

    The question, come Janueay, is what was the annual excess mortality, then you'll know the true figure and how much of an impact it really had.


  • #8045
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    We're years away from herd immunity. Not going to happen without massive damage.


  • #8046
    Jim_Hodge
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,174 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    regulators wrote: »
    Better off leaving the house parties go as mostly younger people.

    Start building up herd immunity. Your never going to eliminate the virus.

    Ah the old herd immunity, with only young people getting it, argument. We've been there done that with this argument long ago. It sucked then and still does.


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  • #8047
    political analyst
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,985 ✭✭✭political analyst


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0820/1160204-world-covid/
    Europe can combat Covid-19 without full lockdowns now that authorities are better prepared and have gained knowledge about how to fight it in recent months, the World Health Organization (WHO) has said.

    "With the basic nationwide and additional targeted measures, we are in a much better position to stamp out these localised virus flare-ups," the head of the WHO's European branch, Hans Kluge, told reporters.

    "We can manage the virus and keep the economy running and an education system in operation," he added.


  • #8048
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Ah the old herd immunity, with only young people getting it, argument. We've been there done that with this argument long ago. It sucked then and still does.

    Why, sure the schools and colleges are opening back now aren't they? This is the plan going forward.


  • #8049
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    regulators wrote: »
    Better off leaving the house parties go as mostly younger people and open up back the pubs and get things back to normal.

    Start building up herd immunity. Your never going to eliminate the virus.

    People 60 or should take pension if have one or given the state pension at 60 for a while and cocoon. People with underlying conditions continue on the 350 a week.

    Open back the pubs and sporting events. Its getting ridicolous now. Just have the over 60's self isolate and people with underlying conditions self isolate.

    Its coming to this pretty soon, especially with the schools reopening.

    In theory, that might eliminate the virus.


  • #8050
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Jim_Hodge wrote: »
    Ah the old herd immunity, with only young people getting it, argument. We've been there done that with this argument long ago. It sucked then and still does.

    Well your rigorous scientific reasoning has won me over.


  • #8051
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    We're years away from herd immunity. Not going to happen without massive damage.

    So we continue forever like this?


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  • #8052
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    Thank you, and to all the others, for the well wishes... we couldn’t keep her away even if the docs had advised us to, she’s so excited about it.
    Best of luck to ye, ye are definitely in my thoughts.


  • #8053
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    It seems our elite can't count. 80 is greater than 50.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40035389.html


  • #8054
    Allinall
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,305 ✭✭✭Allinall


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    In theory, that might eliminate the virus.

    Thankfully we live in the real world, and not a theorised one.


  • #8055
    gmisk
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,543 ✭✭✭✭gmisk


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    It seems our elite can't count. 80 is greater than 50.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40035389.html
    They are coming out with some rubbish about them being split between two rooms....and apparently Dara Calleary only appeared briefly....hmmm


  • #8056
    Spiderman0081
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 442 ✭✭Spiderman0081


    Boggles wrote: »
    Or mortality rate based on those figures is around 2%.
    The mortality rate in Stockholm, a hard hit city using the official confirmed cases for ages 0-69 is 0.1%.
    The overall mortality rate imo won’t be much higher when all the data is collected in a year or two.


  • #8057
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    So we continue forever like this?

    No, not forever. The word is figuring out the best path out of this with the least damage (of all sorts). Best hope still lies with the vaccine.


  • #8058
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    Allinall wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in the real world, and not a theorised one.

    Sure when the schools reopen is no different to having pubs open now and people attending sporting events and going back to work.

    1,000 teenagers tightly packed into a school? That's worse than any meat factory in the country and then showing no symptons and going home infecting their parents and possible elderly relatives?

    So my theory is over 60's have to self isolate and people with underlying conditions. Let the world get on with it.

    In theory anyway this is happening when the schools reopen so there's no real point arguing about it as its happening.

    With schools reopening the country will be back to normal thank God.

    Fit, young and healthy people don't need to be in lockdown.


  • #8059
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Allinall wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in the real world, and not a theorised one.

    The fear propagated by NPHET and media is ENTIRELY theoretical.

    Herd immunity is now being proved in real world examples.


  • #8060
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    gmisk wrote: »
    They are coming out with some rubbish about them being split between two rooms....and apparently Dara Calleary only appeared briefly....hmmm

    Do as we say, not as we do. These guys really have no understanding of the word credibility.


  • #8061
    igCorcaigh
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 12,488 Mod ✭✭✭✭igCorcaigh


    Silly question, but why can't secondary students school from home with lessons online?

    It seems the younger ones don't spread the virus as much.


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  • #8062
    Drumpot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cP-MHKU_cQE


    I watched a video on medcram that had a very interesting alternative that could be up and running a lot quicker then a vaccine (that maybe he promising but possibly still a long time away).

    Was very simple really, that significant resources (funds) going into a vaccine be diverted to produce a €1 test can everybody can do at home And get results within minutes. Everybody can literally test themselves every day. Even if the test results were only a significantly high percentage like (can’t remember the percentage but not 100%) accurate, with mass daily testing (self tests) , the virus would struggle to rise significantly.

    Seems like everybody is banking everything on a vaccine, just like our government are banking everything on opening schools.


  • #8063
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    What Username Guidelines wrote: »
    “Luckily” she was out the other side before she was 18 months so doesn’t remember it at all, and is as strong as an ox now :)

    The conversation was far longer and detailed than my post, and these guys are basically at the absolute top of their game in Ireland if not up there in the top in Europe for their treatments, one an OBE... so a second opinion, in my opinion, is not needed. You’re absolutely right though, I brought up the schools being closed as well but it seems like all of these guys are talking, very frequently, with international colleagues and know as much as can be known at this point.

    That's brilliant. I don't mean any disrespect to the doctors when I say second opinions. Generally with big things I always try to triangulate opinions off a number of experts. (dangerous to use that word here)

    Got the idea from the Ray Dalio book principles. He's worth about 17 billion and tells how one doctor said that he should be disembowelled to curtail the growth of a cancer. He got 3 world class people on the phone and they suggested a far less radical course of action. Then 2 more confirmed it. We can't all do that but two can help.

    Won't post whole thing here but have a read.

    http://meaningring.com/2019/05/03/life-principles-3-4/

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  • #8064
    regulators
    Closed Accounts Posts: 39 ✭regulators


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Silly question, but why can't secondary students school from home with lessons online?

    It seems the younger ones don't spread the virus as much.

    They do but don't show any symptons.


    There is going to be over a million people packed into cramped conditions when the schools reopen. I hope that sinks into peoples heads.

    This is not including colleges.

    Then all of them going hope to siblings and parents and possibly infecting them.

    Reopen schools and keep a lot of the country locked down doesn't make sense.

    And people giving out about a few people having a few pints and house parties. Give me a break.


  • #8065
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Allinall wrote: »
    Thankfully we live in the real world, and not a theorised one.

    Like those real world models, eh, that were used and readjusted downward to the tune of hundreds of thousands. They are theories. Science is all theory. And that is the real world.


  • #8066
    Assetbacked
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭Assetbacked


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Do as we say, not as we do. These guys really have no understanding of the word credibility.
    Yup, not sure how many more examples people need to see in order to accept that Ireland's covid restrictions have been ridiculous and should've eased up as soon as the data appeared during lockdown showing the curve was flattened.


  • #8067
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,759 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    Silly question, but why can't secondary students school from home with lessons online?

    It seems the younger ones don't spread the virus as much.
    You can't really teach the leaving cert online.


  • #8068
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    igCorcaigh wrote: »
    No, not forever. The word is figuring out the best path out of this with the least damage (of all sorts). Best hope still lies with the vaccine.

    So till then, we live like this, no thanks, society is slowly accepting of the death, time to move on.


  • #8069
    Strumms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,855 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    pjohnson wrote: »
    The schools wont see to mid september.

    No matter how stubborn they insist on opening them is there not a high chance they would run out of teachers?

    I mean how many teachers can a school afford be quarantined if they test positive; if that teachers been in a staff room and is a "close contact" waiting for a test? Who'll teach the kids then?

    Not even teach, supervise even. A real dearth of leadership on the matter. Schools are facilities to educate young people. Not expensive baby sitting / crèche services. I think a lot of parents just enjoy the fact kids can go back so they get some time off from their primary role and responsibilities...parenting.


    https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40013891.html


  • #8070
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    regulators wrote: »
    Well 3.4% of people infected die and just less than 1% with the flu.
    Its also more contagious as people have no herd immunity against a new disease.

    There's roughly between 30,000 and 60,000 deaths in the US from flu every year.
    The death toll from Covid-19 currently stands at 177,000 in the US with four months of the year remaining.

    Nevertheless my point stands.


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  • #8071
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    Assetbacked wrote: »
    Yup, not sure how many more examples people need to see in order to accept that Ireland's covid restrictions have been ridiculous and should've eased up as soon as the data appeared during lockdown showing the curve was flattened.

    There’s plenty of lockdown Larrys around from my experience.

    I think a lot of people detached themselves from following the numbers due to fatigue or boredom and aren’t really in tune with how things currently stand.


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