Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

Gerry Hatrick · 20-08-2020 07:23PM

theballz wrote: »

Only 18 in hospital. The most vulnerable have already caught it and recovered or unfortunately past away.

We are watching herd immunity unfold.

No we are not but we will in the next few months.

20-08-2020 07:24PM

MrMusician18 wrote: »

They do when they're done properly. The full lockdown in Wuhan eliminated the virus.

Our lockdown wasn't long enough nor strict enough to fully suppress the virus. Additionally, we allowed overseas visitors into the country with no supervision to reseed outbreaks.

It will be interesting to see how the government starts to manage an increasing unwillingness to follow the guidelines.

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-53816511?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15979477818144&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 07:25PM

So it was never the U14s! Unnecessary congregations are the target.

20-08-2020 07:25PM

Derek Zoolander wrote: »

Yet no country in the world has managed to eradicate it?

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-53816511?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15979477818144&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 07:25PM

political analyst wrote: »

If people who have contracted the virus and know they have it stay at home for a fortnight then they won't pass it on to others. So why would any of them feel obliged to tell their GPs if they're not seriously ill?

Could be long term effects, could have underlying conditions, could want them to know for others.

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 07:26PM

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www-bbc-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/world-asia-china-53816511?amp_js_v=a3&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQFKAGwASA%3D#aoh=15979477818144&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s

Sure they can test the lot of them in a week or so!

JJandthebear · 20-08-2020 07:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

She also said they are not suggesting that uniforms get washed every night!

Yup. If its important (and creches have been operating under the guidelines that children and staff have freshly washed clean clothes each day) then if they know a family of four might not be able to wash uniforms every night (not sure why?)then they should be suggesting that schools forego uniforms for the time being. Not suggesting that they just make sure the uniforms look clean.

Fann Linn · 20-08-2020 07:26PM

is_that_so wrote: »

So it was never the U14s! Unnecessary congregations are the target.

Unless it's the politicians golf society. Then rules don't apply.

Derek Zoolander · 20-08-2020 07:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Nope but some like South Korea, Taiwan and China can get on top of new outbreaks very quickly. That's how we live with it.

I’d forget China - hard to believe any data from there..

Even Korea with there compliant population, mask usage and tracing system struggling with latest outbreak (as a whole agree they are much better)

Taiwan just closed shop - Realistically that’s not something we can do now - had a window in March but that ship has sailed now

At this point it’s trying to replicate Denmark, Germany and Italy who seem to manage it.

20-08-2020 07:27PM

political analyst wrote: »

If people who have contracted the virus and know they have it stay at home for a fortnight then they won't pass it on to others. So why would any of them feel obliged to tell their GPs if they're not seriously ill?

How do they know they haven't passed it on? Contact tracing, we have have been doing it since March.

political analyst · 20-08-2020 07:27PM

Deleted User wrote: »

How do they know they haven't passed it on? Contact tracing, we have have been doing it since March.

Those who have distanced themselves all along would know.

Lundstram · 20-08-2020 07:28PM

The GAA showed you as much respect as you showed them. Clown.

Cameron326 · 20-08-2020 07:28PM

Of course you can more or less wipe it out. Not to zero - but to the degree that it doesnt interfere with daily life domestically for the vast, vast majority. China managed it. The mass mask-free pool party in Wuhan brought a bit of attention the other day with some people castigating them for "gloating" and others for irresponsible behaviour, but the reality is China has had things under very much under control for about 5 months now.

Western media, as a whole just hasn't wanted to report on that - as it makes our Western governments look incredibly incompetent by comparison. Parts of Beijing aside, China has been completely mask free for more than two months now. It's almost become a distant memory until they turn on the news and look at the shiftiest elsewhere. My wife hates looking at her WeChat (more than 4000 acquaintance and business contacts due to work) because every day there are dozens and dozens of people posting of their care free entertainment and domestic travel. Not a mask in sight, for getting in for three months now.

How did they manage it? The formula was pretty simple - mandatory masks at the beginning (not five months later like the US and Europe), STRINGENT contact tracing, around 95% of incoming flights cancelled with STRICTLY enforced quarantine. Targeted and severe sacrifices - for a short period - and a clear end goal. Any country could have done the same. But but they're different over there.Yeah, thats right. They are getting on happily and we are moping about in masks and wondering when school is going to be cancelled. Europe (half a billion): 30,000 daily cases. China: (one and a half billion) fewer than 30 daily cases on average.

It's not that the virus doesnt exist at all in China, but that they've managed to get on top and stay on top. A couple of dozen cases a day in 1.4billion is...not a lot. Others have done well enough too: Taiwan, S.Korea, Malaysia, NZ. But basically the response Europe wide has just not been good enough. Why? wrong priorities, lack of foresight, complacency, lack of cooperation among EU nations, short termism, corporatism. You name it. Shined a real light on the paucity of our governments in the face of severe crisis. Yes, pandemics are beasts of nature, and to an extent people just have to get on with it with a small risk still out there, but we all had the resources at our disposal to do a hell of a lot better.

Tipperary animal lover · 20-08-2020 07:28PM

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

Fly_away · 20-08-2020 07:29PM

Is there any specific regulation that means a person who's working in the healthcare sector has to self isolate if they're living with someone who has returned from travel abroad (even if the country that person travelled to is on the green list)?

Gerry Hatrick · 20-08-2020 07:29PM

Fann Linn wrote: »

Unless it's the politicians golf society. Then rules don't apply.

"Let them eat cheese"

JP Liz V1 · 20-08-2020 07:29PM

I like Zara and her questioning

polesheep · 20-08-2020 07:30PM

Mullaghteelin wrote: »

Rose tinted glasses!
Attending children's matches maybe very important for a parent who has fantasised about watching their children play sport since before their child was born, but children are usually not nearly as enthusiastic about having parents watch.
A vaccine is expected a year from now. If we can't tolerate a year of on-off restrictions, we don't deserve to survive as a species! Too many of us are far too self centred and have stubbornly refused to reduce non essential travel and socialising.

It was never as bad as predicted and now it's fizzling out as an illness.

Fann Linn · 20-08-2020 07:30PM

When they start spoofing it's time to stop trusting them.

Funsterdelux · 20-08-2020 07:30PM

pjohnson wrote: »

The schools wont see to mid september.

No matter how stubborn they insist on opening them is there not a high chance they would run out of teachers?

I mean how many teachers can a school afford be quarantined if they test positive; if that teachers been in a staff room and is a "close contact" waiting for a test? Who'll teach the kids then?

Cant talk now Flanders, Ive got a class to teach!

Lyle · 20-08-2020 07:31PM

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

Geographic Distribution of COVID-19 Confirmed Cases map at

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

wowzer · 20-08-2020 07:31PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

Agreed so many mixed messages. Nolan talking utter horsesh1te.

Gerry Hatrick · 20-08-2020 07:32PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

They've walked themselves down a blind alley with the schools. Decision was made when things looked good and we are now a million miles from that.

The government will fall over this mark my words.

dere34 · 20-08-2020 07:32PM

Eod100 wrote: »

I went on and didn't see any. Would you be able to link if you wouldn't mind?

Just look through her recent photos, they should be there. I might be getting mixed up though.

20-08-2020 07:32PM

Tipperary animal lover wrote: »

Is there some site I can find out how many people in an area(town or village) have the virus in each County?

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

Eod100 · 20-08-2020 07:35PM

Lyle wrote: »

Geographic Distribution of COVID-19 Confirmed Cases map at

https://covid19ireland-geohive.hub.arcgis.com/

I think there's a lag of a few weeks if not months on that but yeah only official model for that

Steve F · 20-08-2020 07:36PM

Schools will be closed again 3 to 4 weeks after re opening....the dogs in the streets plus teachers have acknowledged this

Cameron326 · 20-08-2020 07:36PM

@Derek
"I’d forget China - hard to believe any data from the"

Head in stand stuff I'm afraid. China has got it totally under control - for a good 5 months now (tiny Beijing spike aside). I'll repost:

...The mass mask-free pool party in Wuhan brought a bit of attention the other day with some people castigating them for "gloating" and others for irresponsible behaviour, but the reality is China has had things under very much under control for about 5 months now.

Western media, as a whole just hasn't wanted to report on that - as it makes our Western governments look incredibly incompetent by comparison. Parts of Beijing aside, China has been completely mask free for more than two months now. It's almost become a distant memory until they turn on the news and look at the shiftiest elsewhere. My wife hates looking at her WeChat (more than 4000 acquaintance and business contacts due to work) because every day there are dozens and dozens of people posting of their care free entertainment and domestic travel. Not a mask in sight, for getting in for three months now.

How did they manage it? The formula was pretty simple - mandatory masks at the beginning (not five months later like the US and Europe), STRINGENT contact tracing, around 95% of incoming flights cancelled with STRICTLY enforced quarantine. Targeted and severe sacrifices - for a short period - and a clear end goal. Any country could have done the same. But but they're different over there.Yeah, thats right. They are getting on happily and we are moping about in masks and wondering when school is going to be cancelled. Europe (half a billion): 30,000 daily cases. China: (one and a half billion) fewer than 30 daily cases on average.

It's not that the virus doesnt exist at all in China, but that they've managed to get on top and stay on top. A couple of dozen cases a day in 1.4billion is...not a lot. Others have done well enough too: Taiwan, S.Korea, Malaysia, NZ. But basically the response Europe wide has just not been good enough. Why? wrong priorities, lack of foresight, complacency, lack of cooperation among EU nations, short termism, corporatism. You name it. Shined a real light on the paucity of our governments in the face of severe crisis. Yes, pandemics are beasts of nature, and to an extent people just have to get on with it with a small risk still out there, but we all had the resources at our disposal to do a hell of a lot better.

MerlinSouthDub · 20-08-2020 07:37PM

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

We need to keep apart as much as we can.

Yet schools are opening in two weeks.

There's no logic to this anymore.

Not logical? It's pretty clear. Opening the schools is a priority. We need to minimise our social interactions to give scope for the schools to reopen.

Arghus · 20-08-2020 07:38PM

Holohanesque response there from Glynn.

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