Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

20-08-2020 04:23PM

Seamai wrote: »

Maybe I'm being naive but I would have thought that the two pharmaceutical companies there would have been a bit more proactive in prevention or is it a case of asymptomatic staff spreading it?

It is probably a case of employees testing positive, rather than catching at the site

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 04:23PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What the heck in happening with all the meat factory cases. Does the virus tend to spread easier in cold environments?

Yes. It's the proximity thing as well as they tend to work cheek by jowl.

caveat emptor · 20-08-2020 04:23PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What the heck in happening with all the meat factory cases. Does the virus tend to spread easier in cold environments?

Cold, dry, no air changes. (fridge) air circulated by aircon.
Paul Reid said Language is a problem there
Sick pay is non existent for those quarantining so they go to work.

That would also lead me to believe.
Travel back to countries with much higher incidence is also a thing.

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 04:25PM

Gerry Hatrick wrote: »

What the heck in happening with all the meat factory cases. Does the virus tend to spread easier in cold environments?

It spreads easier in such environments, but I guess the real question is, why does it keep popping up in meat plants? It's a bit like when people said it was only in nursing homes, but it has to get in there somehow, i.e. via community. But how come the community spread goes a little more undetected in between all these plants, and then bang, loads of cases?

Strumms · 20-08-2020 04:25PM

good article here regarding meat plants

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/meat-plants-q-a-the-lingering-coronavirus-threat-1.4323976

Drumpot · 20-08-2020 04:26PM

Just had lunch with my sister.

I remember her partner was tested few months back when he was sick and it was negative. He works in health and safety and got these new tests that supposedly check for antibodies aswell and it seems he has some anti bodies which means he had (had not has edit) COVID.

She has a friend in UCD who said 25% of tests can give false positives.

I don’t find this alarming as I still think it’s easy to forget we are early doors in the pandemic and mistakes will be made. It’s more a good reminder that mistakes are being made and we get the information that our authorities believe are relevant. There’s no conspiracy with this line of thought, more a reminder that there really are variables about the virus we are still trying to figure out, including how to communicate information.

20-08-2020 04:27PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

It spreads easier in such environments, but I guess the real question is, why does it keep popping up in meat plants? It's a bit like when people said it was only in nursing homes, but it has to get in there somehow, i.e. via community. But how come the community spread goes a little more undetected in between all these plants, and then bang, loads of cases?

I would guess a lot of the staff in meat plants are in similar social circles given they are a large number of immigrants in these plants. I know of a Brazilian, not working in a meat plant, but currently waiting on test result having being tested as a close contact of a confirmed case

shinzon · 20-08-2020 04:30PM

https://www.wlrfm.com/2020/08/20/sanofi-waterford-have-confirmed-that-an-employee-has-tested-positive-for-covid-19/?fbclid=IwAR0r0b8s_3s-kAGEYLmeZbaHS0JujS9yxlWTAVxJDaMIkNH6DQK1cEDEXgo

The employee at Sanofi picked it up by community transmission

Sanofi has confirmed that it is responding to an instance of the coronavirus in one of its employees and that the individual involved is currently self-isolating at home.

It’s understood that the employee picked up the virus through community transmission.

Shin

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 04:31PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would guess a lot of the staff in meat plants are in similar social circles given they are a large number of immigrants in these plants. I know of a Brazilian, not working in a meat plant, but currently waiting on test result having being tested as a close contact of a confirmed case

Living conditions are also part of it, some people tend to pack the bodies in.

yourdeadwright · 20-08-2020 04:35PM

Not sure why your all talking about meat plants
did you not hear its house parties and GAA fault,

Good aul Larry Goodman and his meat plants are grand ,
Not like Larry to be involved in controversy now ,

owlbethere · 20-08-2020 04:39PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

Did you report this to the appropriate authorities?

The guidelines are just that. Guidelines and there's nothing set in stone in law for breaking guidelines. Where does someone report to for something like that? Fairly shocking all the same? Like, Are the family hoping for the best wishing for colds or are they waiting for covid tests to return as positive before they might consider to isolate or restrict their movements.

Our government did fcek all to help us in a scenario like this where someone doesn't feel well but they don't feel like isolating at home.

Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 04:44PM

Ger Roe wrote: »

No. Just bad working pay and conditions. It has been going on for years. but as long as it was only affecting the low paid employees, it didn't matter. We still continued to produce the best quality beef in the world .... apparently.

This was as inevitable as the initial outbreaks in the nursing homes, but you literally can't say a word against the sacred cows of highly protected industries. I am old enough to remember various meat factory and costly meat production associated scandals and investigations over many years. The beef industry must have cost the country dearly over many occasions through the years, and it didn't pay the price for any of them.

Meat plants are owned and run by ruthless businessmen and management. They make their own rules and are obsessed by profit and costs within a bullying culture.

20-08-2020 04:44PM

owlbethere wrote: »

The guidelines are just that. Guidelines and there's nothing set in stone in law for breaking guidelines. Where does someone report to for something like that? Fairly shocking all the same? Like, Are the family hoping for the best wishing for colds or are they waiting for covid tests to return as positive before they might consider to isolate or restrict their movements.

Our government did fcek all to help us in a scenario like this where someone doesn't feel well but they don't feel like isolating at home.

A doctor should not need the government to tell him that his kids should isolate if they have cold symptoms. A doctor may also know that his kids just have hay fever or other allergies however

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 04:45PM

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1296473325846384640?s=21

Non solum non ambulabit · 20-08-2020 04:47PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1296473325846384640?s=21

I guess that teacher will be phoning in sick in a few weeks.

Hawthorn Tree · 20-08-2020 04:48PM

Martin was flapping as usual.

MOR316 · 20-08-2020 04:48PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1296473325846384640?s=21

Looks like two surgeons having a barney

Oranage2 · 20-08-2020 04:50PM

Hawthorn Tree wrote: »

Martin was flapping as usual.

Instead of being confident with his answer and reassuring thousands of teachers that they'll be safe he flaps and wish she'd just go away

20-08-2020 04:52PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1296473325846384640?s=21

I feel for the teacher tbh. Social experiment. School reopenings should be based on level of disease in area.

MD1990 · 20-08-2020 04:53PM

Martin is such a bad leader.
When/If things go bad in a few weeks he will start blaming the public.

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 04:54PM

ACitizenErased wrote: »

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1296473325846384640?s=21

We'll see the headline later "Taoiseach rejects being reprimanded by teacher" just like he rejected there is any confusion over that train wreck of a press conference.

MD1990 wrote: »

Martin is such a bad leader.
When/If things go bad in a few weeks he will start blaming the public.

Of course he will. How many times did he reference the Berlin bar video in the press conference? Nothing to do with DP folks, it was the bars and house parties.

Ger Roe · 20-08-2020 04:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I feel for the teacher tbh. Social experiment. School reopenings should be based on level of disease in area.

That's a very logical and easily explainable position to take - so it won't be done :mad:

MOR316 · 20-08-2020 04:56PM

With the outbreak in the Esplanade hotel in Bray, would it be wise for people to stay clear of the area tomorrow?

Renjit · 20-08-2020 04:56PM

I am glad I left school long ago

20-08-2020 04:59PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I feel for the teacher tbh. Social experiment. School reopenings should be based on level of disease in area.

This is a really good point - we could drill down to each electoral division. If a division went red to an objective criteria - kids in that area must remain home from school.

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 04:59PM

Italy with +845 cases today, highest number since May 16th

What Username Guidelines · 20-08-2020 05:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

This is a really good point - we could drill down to each electoral division. If a division went red to an objective criteria - kids in that area must remain home from school.

True, in my ED of Dublin we've had 3 confirmed cases between June 12th and Aug 12th. Hardly warrant school closure.

20-08-2020 05:01PM

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

Italy with +845 cases today, highest number since May 16th

Slight trend emerging in Europe

stephenjmcd · 20-08-2020 05:02PM

MOR316 wrote: »

With the outbreak in the Esplanade hotel in Bray, would it be wise for people to stay clear of the area tomorrow?

Why ? Its a direct provision centre, the hotel isn't open.

There's thousands on Bray seafront every day has been throughout

ACitizenErased · 20-08-2020 05:02PM

Interesting trends emerging across Europe.
Is it due to increased testing? Or is it actually spreading with more asymptomatic cases?

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