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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7502
    fly_agaric
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,337 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Billgirlylegs wrote: »
    Ha!
    They have had at least 16 weeks and they came up with SFA

    Unfortunately you cannot fix 30+ years of underinvestment in 16 weeks.
    Prefab/builders portacabin schools, not fit for purpose buildings left over from the Brits and (in Dublin anyway) a legacy of ridiculous class sizes.
    I was in some classes above 40 in my youth.
    It's gotten better but there are still outliers I think. From what I see in my local school class sizes have (probably) been improved by covering much of the yard (formerly for outdoor play) in a load of crappy prefabs.


  • #7503
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The fact you think parents will drive to the match and not watch it is bizarre tbh.
    They won't have a choice, unless they can sit in their car beside the pitch. Which is a possibility.

    I'm not necessarily defending the rule, I'm just pointing out that it's not the impossible, unreasonable task that some claim it is. Many pitches are wide open, four pitches near me are in a public park. And aside from not letting parents past a barrier or keeping them a few metres from the sideline, there is little clubs can do to prevent people watching it.

    But where access can be restricted, it will be. And so be it.

    Your assertion that parents won't bring their kids if they can't watch the match, is bizarre tbh.


  • #7504
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Farcical. Just do it online until January ffs
    Yep, bet the new 5 year olds can't wait for that.


  • #7505
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Vaccine trials are going very well.
    Long term there has been great news about immunity.

    This winter will most likely be carnage with the insistence of schools re opening which will cause huge spread of the virus. While people are not allowed attend outdoor sports events.

    This new government are a disgrace not looking at scientific evidence & not shutting down meat plants quick enough.

    Israel is the only place that has seen a huge spread of covid-19 with school reopening. Everywhere else has not seen this, for example.

    "STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Sweden’s decision to keep schools open during the pandemic resulted in no higher rate of infection among its schoolchildren than in neighbouring Finland, where schools did temporarily close, their public health agencies said in a joint report."


  • #7506
    Random sample
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Random sample


    seamus wrote: »
    They won't have a choice, unless they can sit in their car beside the pitch. Which is a possibility.

    I'm not necessarily defending the rule, I'm just pointing out that it's not the impossible, unreasonable task that some claim it is. Many pitches are wide open, four pitches near me are in a public park. And aside from not letting parents past a barrier or keeping them a few metres from the sideline, there is little clubs can do to prevent people watching it.

    But where access can be restricted, it will be. And so be it.

    Your assertion that parents won't bring their kids if they can't watch the match, is bizarre tbh.

    Or parents can just ask the club to livestream the match, book a table in the local pub and watch it there. Problem solved, and within current guidelines.


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  • #7507
    Hawthorn Tree
    Closed Accounts Posts: 544 ✭✭✭Hawthorn Tree


    This government is getting an E for Communications this far. So much confusion. Sinn Fein must be secretly delighted.


  • #7508
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    polesheep wrote: »
    The reason why there are less deaths is that less people are being affected to the point where death is likely, but that is not as sexy as a new drug or treatment. Did he have any reason for reducing hospitalisations?

    Treatments are improving also. The death rate among patients admitted to ICU has fallen significantly. One of the reasons you dont hear anything about ventilators anymore is that it has been identified that in certain presentations, ventilation or premature ventilation can actually make things worse. How did they find this out? For some patients in the early days, those who were waiting on ventilation due to scarce availability often had better outcomes than patients with similar presentation

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUKKCN2251ST


  • #7509
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    We are turning orange in eastern health board, worse than any region in UK.
    Spain is crazy.
    Italy and Germany doing well relatively.
    Finland has regions with no cases.

    The whole argument that it's only bad regionally in Spain is horse sh!t.
    Our eastern region is worse than any region in UK, France, Italy or Germany

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  • #7510
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Hawthorn Tree wrote: »
    This government is getting an E for Communications this far. So much confusion. Sinn Fein must be secretly delighted.
    It's a live grenade and the pin is loose, it's best to stay away from this situation. I have no doubt there is something ready for an anticipated failure on schools!


  • #7511
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    s1ippy wrote: »
    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2020/08/18/creche-to-remain-closed-until-next-monday/

    https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/dublin-creche-staff-member-who-22413394.amp

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1154769/

    At least three crèches in the links above. My brother uses one in Carrigaline Cork which had to partially close last week due to "close contact tracing" of a member of staff, which has been going on for a week now and twelve families are still awaiting tests. Also only 1/3 of childcare facilities have even reopened because the measures put in place were prohibitively expensive. Pods have 1 carer to 8 children and infant rooms have even fewer in their pods.

    In the first one - 3 siblings - likely passed to each other at home, and 2 staff, with no other cases - massive outbreak.

    In the others it was one staff members who tested positive, that required contact tracing on the creches, but not outbreaks in the creches


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  • #7512
    sideswipe
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,439 ✭✭✭sideswipe


    Sorted;)

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  • #7513
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Treatments are improving also. The death rate among patients admitted to ICU has fallen significantly. One of the reasons you dont hear anything about ventilators anymore is that it has been identified that in certain presentations, ventilation or premature ventilation can actually make things worse. How did they find this out? For some patients in the early days, those who were waiting on ventilation due to scarce availability often had better outcomes than patients with similar presentation

    https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-ventilators-specia/special-report-as-virus-advances-doctors-rethink-rush-to-ventilate-idUKKCN2251ST

    Yes, I am aware of all of that, however, it is still a fact that as of now fewer people are becoming seriously ill in the first place.


  • #7514
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    MD1990 wrote: »
    a week after schools re opened
    15 schools in Scotland already having problems.

    time to accept around the world that schools cannot re open until a vaccine is out next year

    A vaccine may never work - lets just leave the schools closed forever


  • #7515
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    77 cases in Scotland, highest number in 3 months

    Have they opened schools yet?


  • #7516
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A vaccine may never work - lets just leave the schools closed forever

    The chances of a vaccine working and being safe are well over 50% after the last few weeks


  • #7517
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    MD1990 wrote: »
    Vaccine trials are going very well.
    Long term there has been great news about immunity.

    This winter will most likely be carnage with the insistence of schools re opening which will cause huge spread of the virus. While people are not allowed attend outdoor sports events.

    This new government are a disgrace not looking at scientific evidence & not shutting down meat plants quick enough.

    Perhaps not, after all, many of those who would have been victims of this coming flu season have already been taken by Covid19.


  • #7518
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    So the Taoiseach says there's no confusion about the latest restrictions when asked to explain why people are confused. Comical.


  • #7519
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gerry Hatrick wrote: »
    Have they opened schools yet?
    Yep from 11 August.


  • #7520
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    The chances of a vaccine working and being safe are well over 50% after the last few weeks

    I fully believe we will have a reasonably effective vaccine by next summer. Don't believe we should wait on it to open schools however. What if it doesn't work and we need to wait another 12 months? Better to get started, and learn how to live with it. THe only way to do that is to start actually living the reality


  • #7521
    timsey tiger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,768 ✭✭✭timsey tiger


    I wonder when UK will block us from entering?


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  • #7522
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    A vaccine may never work - lets just leave the schools closed forever

    Bit extreme. Calm down. Nice ad absurdum argument.
    is the form of argument that attempts to establish a claim by showing that the opposite scenario would lead to absurdity or contradiction.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum


  • #7523
    SimonTemplar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,815 ✭✭✭SimonTemplar


    That Stephen Donnelly interview is up there with any of the BS that Johnson or Trump would come up with.


  • #7524
    Random sample
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,014 ✭✭✭Random sample


    SeaFields wrote: »
    So the Taoiseach says there's no confusion about the latest restrictions when asked to explain why people are confused. Comical.

    Well I’m glad he’s cleared that up.


  • #7525
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    SeaFields wrote: »
    So the Taoiseach says there's no confusion about the latest restrictions when asked to explain why people are confused. Comical.

    Did he have his shoes on the correct feet?


  • #7526
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Yep from 11 August.

    I wonder if it's effecting the uptick in cases.


  • #7527
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Bit extreme. Calm down. Nice ad absurdum argument.



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum

    That is the approach I was taking - the schools have to open at some stage, and we will never know the best approach until we open, so we open now when things are relatively ok, always having the option to isolate pods and schools. If we keep waiting, we will never get to a point where opening the schools is lower risk than not opening


  • #7528
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I think the testing figures have been updated:
    Total positive tests in the last 24hrs: 154
    11,416 tests processed in the last 24hrs
    Positivity rate in the 24hrs: 1.34%


  • #7529
    SeaFields
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    polesheep wrote: »
    Did he have his shoes on the correct feet?

    I believe his advisors will advise him on that matter shortly


  • #7530
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is the approach I was taking - the schools have to open at some stage, and we will never know the best approach until we open, so we open now when things are relatively ok, always having the option to isolate pods and schools. If we keep waiting, we will never get to a point where opening the schools is lower risk than not opening

    Well the alternative extreme to that is open them and a large proportion of kids get a virus which affects their long term life expectancy and health outcomes.

    There are some things you don't need empirical evidence for to make a decision.
    The density of our school population is such that spread is probable.
    The incubation of the disease and the fact 80% of infection events occur before symptoms mean that by the time the result of the experiment results are in you can't control it.

    This is as much a physics problem as it is a biological one. Especially the airborne / aerosol nature of particles.

    https://twitter.com/nntaleb/status/1116088494152142848?s=20


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  • #7531
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    I think the testing figures have been updated:
    Total positive tests in the last 24hrs: 154
    11,416 tests processed in the last 24hrs
    Positivity rate in the 24hrs: 1.34%

    Crap that's a high enough positive tests figure


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