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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #7442
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    The GAA thing is just a distraction for the schools thing.

    You are all falling hook line and sinker for it.

    Schools and the lack of planning is the real disgrace.

    If schools can't open then the economy will tank anyway.

    But schools are opening and plans have been made.

    And you're missing the obvious link between community transmission and the schools, the less random people meeting and mingling, the less likely it is to spread into communities, and the less like it is in the community, the less likely it will be in the schools.


  • #7443
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,953 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    In a lot of kids games parent's to do lines man in soccer or umpire in gaa ?
    Also things like nets and corner flags are done by parents
    Also if a kid is injured and needs medical attention who takes them ?

    Lots of questions ,


  • #7444
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Don't bother going so if you can't adhere to public health advice.

    I know. Drive with your child, drop them off. Get a coffee, go for a walk and just happen across a pitch where the game is taking place. Stand 2m from anyone else in the vicinity. Public health advice adherence maintained.


  • #7445
    lee_baby_simms
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,501 ✭✭✭lee_baby_simms


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Why aren't the journo's pushing for these question to be answered at the press conferences ?

    Creches and food pubs have been open for almost two months with virtually no cases traced back to them.

    Too many journalists possess the same mealy mouthed moral cowardice as our political class.

    Deviating from the prevailing narrative could lead to getting pilloried online and outcast by peers.

    #holdfirm
    #dontrocktheboat


  • #7446
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hurrache wrote: »
    But schools are opening and plans have been made.

    And you're missing the obvious link between community transmission and the schools, the less random people meeting and mingling, the less likely it is to spread into communities, and the less like it is in the community, the less likely it will be in the schools.

    You can hardly call the schools opening document a plan, its a load of mumbo jumbo


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  • #7447
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If a parent gets out of the car and stands at the side line, distant from anyone, this is bad because?

    Nobody has said that's bad. But it's also unrealistic.


  • #7448
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    seamus wrote: »
    You're missing my point.

    Nothing has materially changed from the parent's point of view. Without a pandemic, they'd still have to drive for an hour, hang around and then drive home again.

    The only difference is how the parents chooses to entertain themselves while waiting for the match to finish.

    Your assertion is that there is no point in your child playing sport if you're not able to watch it. Or that you shouldn't have to suffer the hassle of driving them to the match and not be allowed watch it.

    Matches are not held for the entertainment of parents.

    If that's how you see it then you are missing at least one of the joys of parenting.


  • #7449
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Billgirlylegs wrote: »
    These spoofers (NPHET) have "proof" that gathering before and after matches is what caused the recent increases.

    Now you're just making **** up.


  • #7450
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    You can hardly call the schools opening document a plan, its a load of mumbo jumbo

    Each school has a plan.


  • #7451
    Onesea
    Closed Accounts Posts: 475 ✭✭Onesea


    So has anyone in Ireland caught this twice? How will media react to the fact imunity may well be the only answer to this.


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  • #7452
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    polesheep wrote: »
    If that's how you see it then you are missing at least one of the joys of parenting.

    Missing a tiny handful of games over a couple of weeks is all it is, you're being overly dramatic.


  • #7453
    JDD
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭JDD


    I kind of get the outdoor sports rule.

    I regularly attend sports matches. My husband has a season ticket. 99% of matches we attend involves meeting up with between 3 and 10 other friends in the pub beforehand, and going for at least one drink (usually many more) after the match. Matches usually take place in the afternoon or early evening, so you have plenty of time to go to the pub afterwards.

    I also regularly go to the cinema. I can't remember the last time I went to the pub or a restaurant either before or after the cinema.

    I would rarely go to the theatre. The times I do go, it is with my husband, or my best mate. No big group. The theatre usually finishes pretty late - like 10.30/11 - and is not local to us so we would head home straight after.

    I don't go to mass. While some younger families might go on for a sunday roast somewhere, the vast majority of regular mass goers are 60+. They aren't going to be going to the local pub after mass.

    Weddings? Well, I think they just thought we have to give an exemption there. There's so much planning, so much cost, so much outlay made by guests and so many suppliers that rely on weddings continuing that it hardly comparing like with like. You couldn't really stand there in front of a bride and groom and say "Why is your wedding going ahead on Saturday and I can't go and see Dublin play a match on Saturday? I am JUST as disappointed that I can't go to the match as you would be if you had to cancel your wedding, and the hit to the economy is JUST as bad since myself and half the 200 spectators won't be buying a sandwich and a pint in the pub afterwards, as it would be if the hotel wasn't getting €4k for the wedding and 20 rooms booked by guests, and the hairdresser and make up artist and photographer and church singer not getting paid that day."

    That's balancing the economic hit, with the restrictions.


  • #7454
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Missing a tiny handful of games over a couple of weeks is all it is, you're being overly dramatic.

    I replied to a very telling comment.


  • #7455
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    seamus wrote: »
    You're missing my point.

    Nothing has materially changed from the parent's point of view. Without a pandemic, they'd still have to drive for an hour, hang around and then drive home again.

    The only difference is how the parents chooses to entertain themselves while waiting for the match to finish.

    Your assertion is that there is no point in your child playing sport if you're not able to watch it. Or that you shouldn't have to suffer the hassle of driving them to the match and not be allowed watch it.

    Matches are not held for the entertainment of parents.


    That's it mate, I mean, school plays, music recitals, games, swimming, the beach, etc... Not there for families, just for the participator. What utter gibberish.


  • #7456
    ACitizenErased
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,760 ✭✭✭✭ACitizenErased


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Each school has a plan.

    To somehow space students 1m apart with overcrowded classes and tiny classrooms :rolleyes:


  • #7457
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Missing a tiny handful of games over a couple of weeks is all it is, you're being overly dramatic.

    Restrictions will stay in place until at least Sept. 13th.


  • #7458
    Santy2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,065 ✭✭✭Santy2015


    Just in terms of schools. I’ve never seen so much work going on in the 2 secondary and 2 primary schools here. They’ve been ripped apart. No idea what they’ll look like after but some amount of work going on. Next Thursday is D day for 1st years and primary kids.
    Edit: one secondary school had 500+ students last year the other 300 or so. How they’ll do social distancing is a mind f##k


  • #7459
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Nobody has said that's bad. But it's also unrealistic.

    Why is it unrealistic?

    Is it less realistic than a group of parents driving an hour to a match and as they can't watch the match, head to a local cafe or bar and sit in each others company for an hour, indoors, at much greater risk of transmission. Unintended consequences of poor policy.


  • #7460
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Hurrache wrote: »
    But schools are opening and plans have been made.

    And you're missing the obvious link between community transmission and the schools, the less random people meeting and mingling, the less likely it is to spread into communities, and the less like it is in the community, the less likely it will be in the schools.

    And you are missing...
    • the incubation period (median 6 days)
    • 80% of infection events occur before symptoms
    • testing and tracing turn around are woeful.

    In all of this we are assuming the gov is being "proactive" but figures today are 2 weeks behind actual infection that's occurring in the wider community now.
    Leo is already in the life raft.
    If we are seeing this many cases it's already going to double and they know it.
    Not even considering the 2 day lag in reporting figures to manage the narrative.

    The fact is the same cohort of people affected by the GAA thing will be affected by the schools reopening disaster.
    To prevent anyone from actually doing anything about this they've lobbed in an ineffective measure to distract from the real **** show.


  • #7461
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    JDD wrote: »
    I kind of get the outdoor sports rule.

    I regularly attend sports matches. My husband has a season ticket. 99% of matches we attend involves meeting up with between 3 and 10 other friends in the pub beforehand, and going for at least one drink (usually many more) after the match. Matches usually take place in the afternoon or early evening, so you have plenty of time to go to the pub afterwards.

    I also regularly go to the cinema. I can't remember the last time I went to the pub or a restaurant either before or after the cinema.

    I would rarely go to the theatre. The times I do go, it is with my husband, or my best mate. No big group. The theatre usually finishes pretty late - like 10.30/11 - and is not local to us so we would head home straight after.

    I don't go to mass. While some younger families might go on for a sunday roast somewhere, the vast majority of regular mass goers are 60+. They aren't going to be going to the local pub after mass.

    Weddings? Well, I think they just thought we have to give an exemption there. There's so much planning, so much cost, so much outlay made by guests and so many suppliers that rely on weddings continuing that it hardly comparing like with like. You couldn't really stand there in front of a bride and groom and say "Why is your wedding going ahead on Saturday and I can't go and see Dublin play a match on Saturday? I am JUST as disappointed that I can't go to the match as you would be if you had to cancel your wedding, and the hit to the economy is JUST as bad since myself and half the 200 spectators won't be buying a sandwich and a pint in the pub afterwards, as it would be if the hotel wasn't getting €4k for the wedding and 20 rooms booked by guests, and the hairdresser and make up artist and photographer and church singer not getting paid that day."

    That's balancing the economic hit, with the restrictions.

    Good for you and thank you for that insight into your life.

    I, on the other hand, would always go for a drink after the cinema. I love the theatre and usually try to combine it with a drink or meal. And you are 'just as disappointed' not to go to a match as someone who has to cancel their wedding? really?


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  • #7462
    paddyisreal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭paddyisreal


    Kildare chilling still waiting on test results for a significant amount of staff for over 10 days..... the country was shut down to get testing and tracing right and this is the shambles we have. piss up and brewery are the only words


  • #7463
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Restrictions will stay in place until at least Sept. 13th.
    Having a flexible date is a better way to define it so you don't get people clamouring a week in advance for it to be reversed.


  • #7464
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Why is it unrealistic?

    Is it less realistic than a group of parents driving an hour to a match and as they can't watch the match, head to a local cafe or bar and sit in each others company for an hour, indoors, at much greater risk of transmission. Unintended consequences of poor policy.

    It's the blind following of these guidelines and unquestioning nature of those doing so that is most surprising.


  • #7465
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    ACitizenErased wrote: »
    To somehow space students 1m apart with overcrowded classes and tiny classrooms :rolleyes:

    Which is why it's so important to limit the risk of community transmission outside of the schools so nothing is brought into them.

    See how the 2 fit together?


  • #7466
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Having a flexible date is a better way to define it so you don't get people clamouring a week in advance for it to be reversed.

    Yes, but the poster said it's 'only a couple of games' - it's not.


  • #7467
    timmy_mallet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭timmy_mallet


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Which is why it's so important to limit the risk of community transmission outside of the schools so nothing is brought into them.

    See how the 2 fit together?

    Yes mate, can't stand outdoors, easily keeping 2m distance, at 10am for the match, but no bother firing into the church and function room for the wedding from 2pm.

    See how those 2 things are utterly illogical?


  • #7468
    blackcard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,340 ✭✭✭blackcard


    Hurrache wrote: »
    You seem to be just talking about intercounty or senior county championship games.

    Go to a local GAA club on a weekend which would often host a couple of games and training sessions and you'll see people gathered and talking for a decent period of time.

    Not sure what you qualify as a large cluster, but you will always have people gathered in large groups.

    The games that I attended were senior club matches. I don't think that anyone would have a problem with spectators being banned from training matches


  • #7469
    Gerry Hatrick
    Closed Accounts Posts: 552 ✭✭✭Gerry Hatrick


    paddyisreal wrote: »
    Kildare chilling still waiting on test results for a significant amount of staff for over 10 days..... the country was shut down to get testing and tracing right and this is the shambles we have. piss up and brewery are the only words

    10 days? That's ridiculous.


  • #7470
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Which is why it's so important to limit the risk of community transmission outside of the schools so nothing is brought into them.

    See how the 2 fit together?

    So you select the area where the is the lowest risk or community transmission to restrict, outdoors, in a large outdoor space, with low numbers of people. Its not about the individual activity, its about credibility, and by focusing on what is probably the lowest risk activity where groups of people may congregate, credibility on the overall system is lost


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  • #7471
    Hurrache
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,385 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    timmy_mallet wrote: »
    Yes mate, can't stand outdoors, easily keeping 2m distance, at 10am for the match, but no bother firing into the church and function room for the wedding from 2pm.

    See how those 2 things are utterly illogical?

    I've been saying since the outset that the wedding thing doesn't fit in. And it's about risk and reward.

    Weddings are relatively few and bar between, with limited numbers anyway. The reward of schools returning outweigh that risk.


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