How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

wirelessdude01 · 20-08-2020 08:42AM

You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/school-travel-plans-left-in-chaos-after-calls-for-distancing-on-buses-39464101.html

No joined up thinking at all.

combat14 · 20-08-2020 08:53AM

hard to believe schools open in a week or less with Nphet suggesting to government that whole country is on cusp of full lockdown again

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-resists-calls-from-nphet-for-a-return-to-full-lockdown-1.4334326?mode=amp

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:54AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/school-travel-plans-left-in-chaos-after-calls-for-distancing-on-buses-39464101.html

No joined up thinking at all.

Were going for heard immunity and the schools will be the spark, mix that report with this report and it might be the right thing to do.
https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/health-family/studies-show-positive-signs-of-strong-lasting-covid-19-immunity-1.4332233?mode=amp

drunkmonkey · 20-08-2020 08:56AM

combat14 wrote: »

hard to believe schools open in a week or less with Nphet suggesting to government that whole country is on cusp of full lockdown again

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-resists-calls-from-nphet-for-a-return-to-full-lockdown-1.4334326?mode=amp

Won't work this time we've more back bars built than wet pubs now. They had one chance and blew it. They've lost the peoples support.

facehugger99 · 20-08-2020 09:23AM

zanador wrote: »

I haven't read the whole thread but saw some people complaining about teachers so just wanted to say as far as I am concerned you are all amazing and have been from the beginning of this. .

What have they done?

My kid's primary school sent out a generic email once a week to every pupil with nonsense 'homework'.

Presumably all the teachers in the school spent months at home on full pay watching Netflix.

Clap for our heroes indeed.

khalessi · 20-08-2020 09:26AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

What have they done?

My kid's primary school sent out a generic email once a week to every pupil with nonsense 'homework'.

Presumably all the teachers in the school spent months at home on full pay watching Netflix.

Clap for our heroes indeed.

Not everyone, as you know since you troll education threads enough, did what your teacher did, in fact it seems the teachers on here worked their butts off. So take your abuse and email it to your school.

Seanergy · 20-08-2020 09:34AM

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Won't work this time we've more back bars built than wet pubs now. They had one chance and blew it. They've lost the peoples support.

Agreed there are more back bars built than wet pubs and Irish drinking culture has gone dark but curious to know some or thee event that tipped you away from trusting NPHET?

alroley · 20-08-2020 09:41AM

My mam's former GP took one look at a mole a few years ago and said it was nothing to worry about. She was diagnosed with a melanoma months later that could have been caught earlier.

So now I spend my days on forums declaring that all Doctors are useless because of that one experience.

Some teachers did not work to the best of their ability during lockdown, but using that to suggest none of us worked so hard for our students is incredibly disrespectful.

jonnny68 · 20-08-2020 09:53AM

its grand folks Stephen Donnelly is at the helm so you can rest easy :pac:

https://extra.ie/2020/08/20/news/irish-news/stephen-donnelly-covid-19-schools-trampolines

facehugger99 · 20-08-2020 09:55AM

khalessi wrote: »

Not everyone, as you know since you troll education threads enough, did what your teacher did, in fact it seems the teachers on here worked their butts off. So take your abuse and email it to your school.

Didn't realize I couldn't post my experience.

Presumably only echo chamber posts are allowed by the backseat mods like yourself

khalessi · 20-08-2020 09:56AM

facehugger99 wrote: »

Didn't realize I couldn't post my experience.

Presumably only echo chamber posts are allowed by the backseat mods like yourself

OF course you can just like i can express mine.

wirelessdude01 · 20-08-2020 09:57AM

jonnny68 wrote: »

its grand folks Stephen Donnelly is at the helm so you can rest easy :pac:

https://extra.ie/2020/08/20/news/irish-news/stephen-donnelly-covid-19-schools-trampolines

Norma not allowed out to defend the school openings.

downthemiddle · 20-08-2020 10:07AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Norma not allowed out to defend the school openings.

Norma, like her lookalike Enya, appears to be a recluse.

JDD · 20-08-2020 10:24AM

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

SusanC10 · 20-08-2020 10:27AM

JDD wrote: »

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

You might have a point on that.
But I would say if they shutdown the schools in say mid-October, then it is unlikely that they would open them before Christmas unless numbers are v low.

Sammy2012 · 20-08-2020 10:28AM

JDD wrote: »

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

Not true.

Loafing Oaf · 20-08-2020 10:28AM

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

Norma not allowed out to defend the school openings.

I suspect her handlers are operating on the following principle:

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 20-08-2020 10:30AM

JDD wrote: »

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

Don't think the government is too concerned with what work is covered. Just trying to get people back to work by sending their kids to school.

Going on what my kids have done at primary level. They wud work consistently thro the year with a drop off/revision/more activities in good weather for month of June

At 2nd level,the run from Sept - Jan is generally seen as the time to get some serious work done. Especially in 6th year as you're 1.5 yrs into a 2 yr cycle and mocks, orals, practicals, open days result in a lot of disruption once you're into Feb. Work does continue after Feb, but there is disruption. Big rise in effort put into oral work, practicals, practicing papers etc.

wirelessdude01 · 20-08-2020 10:32AM

JDD wrote: »

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

Yes and no. More no than yes though.

Warbeastrior · 20-08-2020 10:35AM

facehugger99 wrote:

What have they done?

facehugger99 wrote:

Didn't realize I couldn't post my experience.

You can post your experience but the first comment is a generalisation.
You had a had experience with your children's teachers but you should only comment on those teachers. I know loads of teachers that worked their asses off remotely so don't paint them all with one brush.

BonsaiKitten · 20-08-2020 10:36AM

JDD wrote: »

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

If so, I am presuming that the government is determined to get the schools back for a block of four weeks, maybe six if we're lucky, with a shutdown of four weeks from mid-October to mid-November when infections are too out of control. They could then open again for a block of six weeks before Christmas. We could then have a long Christmas break (if infections rise after the October lockdown, which they will), with hopefully another six week block done some time in the early new year. At that stage, you would hope that we are on the cusp of a vaccine being available.

Not true, especially for maths. The curriculum in general is quite heavily laden. Sometimes you would do a little revision alright but usually it's also building in new knowledge.

I've heard of a lot of teachers saying that and it grinds my gears. The kids probably completed all the tricky topics by the time schools closed - ime you'd do them early on, maybe others disagree - but they absolutely didn't finish everything.

Mr rebel · 20-08-2020 10:50AM

#WhereIsNormaFoley?

Mrsmum · 20-08-2020 10:53AM

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

I suspect her handlers are operating on the following principle:

Regarding the quote, Is she not a teacher ? In fact are not many government members and politicians teachers ?

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 10:54AM

Mr rebel wrote: »

#WhereIsNormaFoley?

It's ironic that people would probably pay more attention to the other minister and he'd have a lot more to say about this!

glack · 20-08-2020 10:57AM

JDD wrote: »

Am I right in saying, in primary school anyway, that nearly all of the curriculum for the year is covered before Christmas? Then January to March is covering aspects of it in more detail, and March (or Easter) to summer holidays is revision? My friend was told this by her kids teacher, but I'm not sure if it is true of all schools?

Personally I teach all the skills needed to learn early in the year - so for example in maths I would teach place value, addition, subtraction and introduce multiplication and division (third class teacher). In English children would be revising phonics and learning new comprehension skills as well as writing and oral language skills. Then as the year progresses children move on to higher order application of those skills (solving problems on capacity or weight etc using multiplication or subtraction and so on). The higher order application is just as important if not more than learning about the new skill in the first place. Without this, children just completely forget what they learned pre Christmas anyway!!

Think of it like a house. Foundation is laid pre Christmas, house is built from jan-April/may with finishing touches from there on. The foundation is vital or the whole thing falls apart but you still need to build the actual house!

amacca · 20-08-2020 10:57AM

Mr rebel wrote: »

#WhereIsNormaFoley?

They are not letting her out, its for her own good.

Stephen Donnelly wont be getting a lunchtime pass for a while yet either

They are trying to convince Simon Harris to say something but he is committed to Fine Gaels long term strategy of letting Fianna Fail be seen to be front and center in the glorious mess thats in the oven at the moment.....varadkar told him he would snipe from the sidelines and lob in an auld hand grenade now and then and they can get back to being the shiniest party in the new year when it all implodes.

Jimi H · 20-08-2020 11:02AM

Was talking to a neighbour yesterday who is a PE (is it still called PE?) teacher in a large Dublin school. He said they haven’t been given any direction as to what happens if a student says they have symptoms. What actually should happen? Anyway, he’s expecting a lot of the students to be coughing away behind the masks and said it will be impossible to manage.

is_that_so · 20-08-2020 11:04AM

Jimi H wrote: »

Was talking to a neighbour yesterday who is a PE (is it still called PE?) teacher in a large Dublin school. He said they haven’t been given any direction as to what happens if a student says they have symptoms. What actually should happen? Anyway, he’s expecting a lot of the students to be coughing away behind the masks and said it will be impossible to manage.

I was chatting to someone about their school recently and they were talking about planned isolation rooms.

jimmytwotimes 2013 · 20-08-2020 11:05AM

Jimi H wrote: »

Was talking to a neighbour yesterday who is a PE (is it still called PE?) teacher in a large Dublin school. He said they haven’t been given any direction as to what happens if a student says they have symptoms. What actually should happen? Anyway, he’s expecting a lot of the students to be coughing away behind the masks and said it will be impossible to manage.

There's to be a ventilated isolation room until the student can be collected/ sent for test etc. That room is to be deep cleaned after such use

Loafing Oaf · 20-08-2020 11:07AM

Mrsmum wrote: »

Regarding the quote, Is she not a teacher ? In fact are not many government members and politicians teachers ?

Okay 'fool' is a bit of humorous exaggeration. But as a first-time TD there are inevitably questions about her qualification for such a vital job at this juncture. And suspicions that her gender may be a major factor in her appointment to it...

How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

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