2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 05:31PM

Cody montana wrote: »

“Goodyear Tire & Rubber Company is an American tire manufacturing company founded in 1898 and based in Akron,Ohio. They employ about 69,000 people including at least a thousand veterans.”

Is Ohio a swing state?

It is the year.

Biden currently leading by 2 points , inside the margin of error.

Trump led Clinton pretty much all the way in 2016 eventually winning by 8 points - Polls had him 3.5 up.

Still probably going to Trump this time around , but he will have to spend more than he'd like to make sure.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 05:46PM

This is yet another example of "America is just weird" that I'll never quite understand.

The concept of wearing clothing supporting a specific political party to your place of work is just fundamentally weird to me (It's weird anywhere tbh , but at work especially)

Can you imagine rocking up to work in a "Vote FF/SF/FG" or whatever hat r t-shirt here.

Aside from probably being told by your manager to change , I'm fairly confident that the level of ridicule directed towards you by pretty much every other employee would be more than enough to make you instantly regret the decision.

Same with bumper stickers , attending rallies , flags in the garden or any of the other public displays of ones political persuasion.

It's a mindset I just don't get and despite spending a lot of time in the US over the last number of decades I don't think I ever will.

BattleCorp · 19-08-2020 05:53PM

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

no ****. one without any consequences as well.

As the saying goes "It's better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6".

MisterAnarchy · 19-08-2020 05:56PM

Cody montana wrote: »

Is Ohio a swing state?

Donald is on a Bloodbuzz in Ohio .

joseywhales · 19-08-2020 06:03PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This is yet another example of "America is just weird" that I'll never quite understand.

The concept of wearing clothing supporting a specific political party to your place of work is just fundamentally weird to me (It's weird anywhere tbh , but at work especially)

Can you imagine rocking up to work in a "Vote FF/SF/FG" or whatever hat r t-shirt here.

Aside from probably being told by your manager to change , I'm fairly confident that the level of ridicule directed towards you by pretty much every other employee would be more than enough to make you instantly regret the decision.

Same with bumper stickers , attending rallies , flags in the garden or any of the other public displays of ones political persuasion.

It's a mindset I just don't get and despite spending a lot of time in the US over the last number of decades I don't think I ever will.

I am forever suggesting to my american wife that we should raise a large chinese flag outside out house and see what happens. Probably nothing in fairness

hotmail.com · 19-08-2020 06:06PM

Quin_Dub wrote: »

This is yet another example of "America is just weird" that I'll never quite understand.

The concept of wearing clothing supporting a specific political party to your place of work is just fundamentally weird to me (It's weird anywhere tbh , but at work especially)

Can you imagine rocking up to work in a "Vote FF/SF/FG" or whatever hat r t-shirt here.

Aside from probably being told by your manager to change , I'm fairly confident that the level of ridicule directed towards you by pretty much every other employee would be more than enough to make you instantly regret the decision.

Same with bumper stickers , attending rallies , flags in the garden or any of the other public displays of ones political persuasion.

It's a mindset I just don't get and despite spending a lot of time in the US over the last number of decades I don't think I ever will.

It got 10 times worse after September 11.

The rest of the world does America no favours by treating what happens in America as 'important' news.

Quin_Dub · 19-08-2020 06:17PM

Reading a bit more on the Goodyear thing.

This isn't a new policy or anything. This has been their position for quite some time.

Quite why Donald Trump chose to get stuck in here the day after former Republican Governor of Ohio, John Kasich endorsed Joe Biden for President is anyone's guess.

MadYaker · 19-08-2020 07:03PM

2u2me wrote: »

Yet you can literally go around these boards parrotting a known provable lie such as 'trump advocated to drink bleach'.

Trump is far right, trump is literally hitler etc.. etc..

Another win for the wokes.

No different than going on about biden being senile etc

namloc1980 · 19-08-2020 07:13PM

Igotadose wrote: »

I mean, really. Goodyear? Bans political attire, and he tweets about it calling for a boycott?

Goodyear?

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2020/0819/1160138-trump-calls-for-boycott-of-goodyear-tyres/

The presidential limo "the Beast" uses specialised tyres made with kevlar lining that have extended run flat capability and are as puncture proof as a tyre can be. Just have one guess who makes these special tyres????

Overheal · 19-08-2020 07:16PM

They supply the military and NASA also.

namloc1980 · 19-08-2020 07:20PM

Overheal wrote: »

They supply the military and NASA also.

Also official tyre of NASCAR. The Trump base will be so conflicted.

namloc1980 · 19-08-2020 07:34PM

This is absolutely delicious. Jim Jordan, Republican House Representative from Ohio, wrote a piece today claiming that if Joe Biden gets elected President, 'cancel culture' will get worse. On the same day President Trump is urging people to boycott and essentially 'cancel' Goodyear - an American company based in OHIO!!!

That's just comical.

:pac:

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Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 08:01PM

Overheal wrote: »

Yep - I should mention that the DNC has also courted the McCain wing of the GOP party. Probably the Romneys also.

Courting war mongers to own the cons.

I fully expect George Bush to close the show tomorrow night painting, while fellow war mongers David Frum and Lincoln Project videos to play in the background.

So progressive.

Professor Moriarty · 19-08-2020 08:04PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Courting war mongers to own the cons.

I fully expect George Bush to close the show tomorrow night painting, while fellow war mongers David Frum and Lincoln Project videos to play in the background.

So progressive.

Still better than Trump and the GOP.

MadYaker · 19-08-2020 08:06PM

Jim Jordan is as thick as a ditch, the fact that he can be publicly elected to any position at all is frankly astonishing.

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 08:08PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Still better than Trump and the GOP.

Of course it is.

Still shouldn't mean that every form of criticism of the DNC is shut down by a whataboutism regarding the GOP.

2020 what a horrible state US politics is.

Can't even be excited about the future, left wingers will take a backseat to ****ty "moderate " Republicans in a Biden regime while the RNC will be taken over by a genuinely competent fascist who will probably win in 2024.

Professor Moriarty · 19-08-2020 08:10PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Of course it is.

Still shouldn't mean that every form of criticism of the DNC is shut down by a whataboutism regarding the GOP.

2020 what a horrible state US politics is.

Can't even be excited about the future, left wingers will take a backseat to ****ty "moderate " Republicans in a Biden regime while the RNC will be taken over by a genuinely competent fascist who will probably win in 2024.

Who do you think might be that competent fascist?

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 08:11PM

MadYaker wrote: »

Jim Jordan is as thick as a ditch, the fact that he can be publicly elected to any position at all is frankly astonishing.

He's not though and that's the real problem.

He knows well this culture war drivel keeps the plebs happy all day.

He complains a lot about "free speech" been regulated and to Joe Bloggs that appears a fair thing to discuss, but his issue is conservatives don't have a monopoly on it.

And plenty of money from these "left wing" tech giants who he "rallies" against on a daily basis goes to him in campaign funds etc.

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 08:13PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Who do you think might be that competent fascist?

Tucker or maybe someone like Hawley. You could see someone emerge from congress who may run on a similar Trump type vibe, not sure who yet though?

Thankfully Tom Cotton is to dull to win anything because he is the worst of all worlds, he was at one time both liked by Anne Coulter and Bill Kristol.

Imagine how bad you have to be to get both on your side.

ChikiChiki · 19-08-2020 08:27PM

Leroy42 wrote: »

He did the same with Harley Davidson at the start of his term.

It completely exposes he line that he is all about MAGA and America 1st.

He is only interested in Trump 1st.

I'm surprised he is still using the MAGA slogan. To me it infers that he has not done such a great job in his first term as promised in his previous campaign. It's a tired lazy slogan.

Tell me how · 19-08-2020 08:31PM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I'm surprised he is still using the MAGA slogan. To me it infers that he has not done such a great job in his first term as promised in his previous campaign. It's a tired lazy slogan.

They had selected a new one which, if you were a Trump supporter, made since up until March.

The Trump campaign could ditch its 'Keep America Great' slogan, report says, as the US is ravaged by COVID-19, job losses, and anti-racism protests

Going back to the MAGA is an own goal though because as you pointed out it feels like his first term was a failure.

Professor Moriarty · 19-08-2020 08:38PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Tucker or maybe someone like Hawley. You could see someone emerge from congress who may run on a similar Trump type vibe, not sure who yet though?

Thankfully Tom Cotton is to dull to win anything because he is the worst of all worlds, he was at one time both liked by Anne Coulter and Bill Kristol.

Imagine how bad you have to be to get both on your side.

Dunno about Hawley. Seems a bit too milk and water. Carlson could be the new Trump. Infinitely smarter too. Incidentally, there's an article about Carlson's possible candidature here.

Carfacemandog · 19-08-2020 08:57PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Who do you think might be that competent fascist?

Tucker Carlson is a decent bet, he has become the leading voice of more or less open fascism in America, henknows how to make people angry (both in support and opposition of him), and to many remaining Republicans it is fair at this stage to say that those two features are seen as huge positives, while the remainders are ire than happy to ignore it and vote for anything with the letter R beside it (include student sexual abuse enablers like Gym Jordan).

He also knows how to not scream the quiet part out loud, like Trump oso often does.

Eric Cartman · 19-08-2020 09:08PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Tucker Carlson is a decent bet, he has become the leading voice of more or less open fascism in America, henknows how to make people angry (both in support and opposition of him), and to many remaining Republicans it is fair at this stage to say that those two features are seen as huge positives, while the remainders are ire than happy to ignore it and vote for anything with the letter R beside it (include student sexual abuse enablers like Gym Jordan).

He also knows how to not scream the quiet part out loud, like Trump oso often does.

:rolleyes: If I called Steven Colbert a communist I'd quite rightly be told I was over reacting, on that same vein , with regards to tucker Carlson host of political talk television, Im going to say that you are massively over reacting.

Leroy42 · 19-08-2020 09:30PM

Tell me how wrote: »

They had selected a new one which, if you were a Trump supporter, made since up until March.

Going back to the MAGA is an own goal though because as you pointed out it feels like his first term was a failure.

Only if one thinks it ever meant anything. What was wrong with America and how would it fixed?
When was America great and why?

Since nobody even asked, never mind answered, any of those type of questions, then saying it again isn't really a problem since people like because of a feeling, not facts.

Professor Moriarty · 19-08-2020 09:36PM

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Tucker Carlson is a decent bet, he has become the leading voice of more or less open fascism in America, henknows how to make people angry (both in support and opposition of him), and to many remaining Republicans it is fair at this stage to say that those two features are seen as huge positives, while the remainders are ire than happy to ignore it and vote for anything with the letter R beside it (include student sexual abuse enablers like Gym Jordan).

He also knows how to not scream the quiet part out loud, like Trump oso often does.

The article I linked to above puts the GOP's dilemma very well:

"The sudden enthusiasm about Carlson as a candidate may betray a certain awareness on the right of lean political days ahead. Some Republicans have warned that with Trump, the party has careened down a dead-end street, with a base too small and a message too extreme.

But now, with the prospect of Carlson as standard-bearer, the party appears to be flirting with a giddy alternative strategy: grip the wheel and hit the gas."

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 09:37PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Dunno about Hawley. Seems a bit too milk and water. Carlson could be the new Trump. Infinitely smarter too. Incidentally, there's an article about Carlson's possible candidature here.

Carlson is incredibly dangerous.

His "gift" is the ability to convey some pretty drastic opinions in a reasonable style type delivery tone. Its a skill and why he is so popular. I am "hopeful" though that he may not bother. Tucker has absolute **** you money when you look at his deals and family background.

Who knows with Hawley, possibly to early and may come across as to elite for the GOP base. But then not as if Trump or Tucker are self made.

I see Rubio has tried to walk that line of economic populism recently, but he is an empty politician, basically the right wing version of Mayor Pete but much more dull.

Thankfully unlike his father Donald JR and Ivanka have absolute zero charisma so if either do run they will fail and yes you can hold me to that.!

ohnonotgmail · 19-08-2020 09:40PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

This is absolutely delicious. Jim Jordan, Republican House Representative from Ohio, wrote a piece today claiming that if Joe Biden gets elected President, 'cancel culture' will get worse. On the same day President Trump is urging people to boycott and essentially 'cancel' Goodyear - an American company based in OHIO!!!

That's just comical. :pac:

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he is the guy who knew that wrestlers he coached were being sexually abused and did nothing about it. probably best to ignore him.

Rjd2 · 19-08-2020 09:43PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

The article I linked to above puts the GOP's dilemma very well:

"The sudden enthusiasm about Carlson as a candidate may betray a certain awareness on the right of lean political days ahead. Some Republicans have warned that with Trump, the party has careened down a dead-end street, with a base too small and a message too extreme.

But now, with the prospect of Carlson as standard-bearer, the party appears to be flirting with a giddy alternative strategy: grip the wheel and hit the gas."

Yes and no.

Demographics are not good for the GOP but tbf Trump was doing ok with Hispanics and not as bad as Romney with black males as Romney did.

I think the other major issue is those who fund the GOP are devoted to free markets etc, while someone like Tucker would likely run as a big government type Republican.

Meh , we probably get Laura Loomer v Michael Bloomberg in 2024.

joseywhales · 19-08-2020 09:47PM

You can see through Carlson in about 10 seconds. Conjecture, straw man, argue by extremes, more hypotheticals, don't make points just ask questions without the opportunity for anyone to respond and of course never ever provide evidence, apart from selective snippets with no context. This is American TV news.

He rarely gives the opportunity to those he attacks to argue with him. Anyone could seem convincing in such a doctored environment with no opposition. He is basically pointless as a human being.

2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

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