Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

spookwoman · 19-08-2020 10:30AM

Gael23 wrote: »

The government are in real danger now if losing the people

Did they ever have them.

gifted · 19-08-2020 10:31AM

Jesus, I just heard eamonn ryan on radio 1 there...it was awful.....asked about school buses and sounded lost with his answer

Necro · 19-08-2020 10:32AM

plodder wrote:

If not the army then temporary (paid) work for people who want to help out. Or even contract out to call-centre companies. A lack of people to do it, should not be the limiting factor.

There's a rake of people claiming the Pandemic Unemployment Payment at the moment, put them to work on a temp basis till their own jobs can reopen

Doctors room ghost · 19-08-2020 10:33AM

Gael23 wrote: »

The government are in real danger now if losing the people

What time are rambo and the lads taking over the streets?

khalessi · 19-08-2020 10:33AM

gifted wrote: »

Jesus, I just heard eamonn ryan on radio 1 there...it was awful.....asked about school buses and sounded lost with his answer

She cornered him on sd on buses for students and that an answer will be given within week. Basically it was discussed at yesterday's cabinet meeting briefly after 5 months to get this sorted. Must have been a surprise the schools go back in August.

seamus · 19-08-2020 10:33AM

smelly sock wrote: »

But they havent done that though. Churches are indoors as are most wedding receptions. Bars and restaurants in Kildare allowed to serve outdoors and possibly allowed to reopen fully come next Monday. Yet and outdoor event such as an u14 football game or junior soccer match has been targeted.

I fully understand the need to mitigate people exposure to this virus but the govts logic is like something from a Mickey Mouse cartoon. It's crazy what they have done.

I'm not defending their poor messaging, but I can see the logic in what they're trying to do.

I called it out last week; the big issue here is a small number of people with a huge number of close contacts. Some people have 20+ close contacts when they test positive.

That may not sound like a lot over two weeks, until you consider that a close contact is defined as someone that you have spent more than 15 minutes with, without social distancing. I don't know about you, but outside of my own home, there are only 2 or 3 people who fall into that category.

So the main thrust of these measures is to reduce this number. To limit the number of unnecessary close contacts that we all have.

- Avoid public transport if possible
- Avoid having lots of people at your home (inside or outside)
- Avoid having large uncontrolled gatherings where social distancing will not be observed.
- Work from home if at all possible

This is why a "controlled" gathering (where hygiene practices are in place) like Mass is OK, but party in your back garden is not. Likewise sporting events might have a lot of space, but congregation takes place before and after. And to a certain extent people congregate on the sidelines.

Schools are OK, because kids will be isolated to a core group and won't mix outside that.

Restaurants are OK because they have protocols and distancing practices.

And so on.

Why are schools OK, but work is not? I know that question has been asked a lot, but it's not an either/or. If working from home is at all possible, then it's low-effort intervention. Schooling from home is not possible.

Eod100 · 19-08-2020 10:35AM

gifted wrote: »

Jesus, I just heard eamonn ryan on radio 1 there...it was awful.....asked about school buses and sounded lost with his answer

No sign of Varadkar or anyone from FG yet as far as I can see. FF and Greens out alright. Must not be any wifi or phone reception in Mayo for Varadkar's staycation..!

Doctors room ghost · 19-08-2020 10:35AM

road_high wrote: »

Where you hear that?! Sweet Jesus, I’d love to know all the juicy details

He wanted to throw in a lord of the rings quote and some lyrics from a kylie minogue song but the rest said no, we have the waffle section covered Leo.

yourdeadwright · 19-08-2020 10:35AM

Politics is a funny game,
Leo an absolute c*nt but because he speaks well he makes the masses feel at ease ,
Himself and Martin could stand up there and tell us the same bad news but because he is better at communicating people would feel more at ease,

Also it wouldn't surprise me if Leo saw the outrage on twitter after last nights press conference and started the rumour he walked out , he plays the game very well,

The current government are like a car sales man on his first day with all the "eh eh "
Leo is the seasoned pro who can sell a tennis mam a 3 liter Range Rover as a run around and she thinks she got a great deal ,

polesheep · 19-08-2020 10:39AM

billybonkers wrote: »

I think we want to avoid as many hospitalisations as possible.

And I think we just need to make sure that the hospitals can cope.

MOR316 · 19-08-2020 10:39AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Politics is a funny game,
Leo an absolute c*nt but because he speaks well he makes the masses feel at ease ,
Himself and Martin could stand up there and tell us the same bad news but because he is better at communicating people would feel more at ease,

Also it wouldn't surprise me if Leo saw the outrage on twitter after last nights press conference and started the rumour he walked out , he plays the game very well,

The current government are like a car sales man on his first day with all the "eh eh "
Leo is the seasoned pro who can sell a tennis mam a 3 liter Range Rover as a run around and she thinks she got a great deal ,

Nail. Head!

19-08-2020 10:41AM

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

wadacrack · 19-08-2020 10:43AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

No, hayfever is pretty common. High pollen count in the last few weeks also

lee_baby_simms · 19-08-2020 10:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

No, something as common as tonsillitis would cause fever and sore throat and could easily be misread as covid initially.

Necro · 19-08-2020 10:45AM

Deleted User wrote:

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

Hayfever as the poster above says. I've been crippled with it twice this summer.

yourdeadwright · 19-08-2020 10:46AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

Not correct one of my kids had both last week doctor sent her to be tested for Covid on Saturday and on Monday got the results as negative,

So all your normal things are stil around,

Patrick2010 · 19-08-2020 10:47AM

Limiting the numbers going to sporting events is crazy saying theres congregation before and after games. All they had to do is people queuing to get in wears a mask and stays two meters apart. Inside the ground everyone not in a family group stays well apart.
Theres more congregation in my local shopping centre than there would be at a ground with people entering and leaving. They wouldn't even be in each others company for the 15 minutes that designates a close contact.
Shamrock Rovers wrote to all their season ticket holders asking them to nominate a seat. They would then be emailed a seat ticket and they would have to sit there.
It would be very easy to allow 200 or even 500 in and enforce social distancing. In bigger grounds it would be even easier.

average_runner · 19-08-2020 10:47AM

road_high wrote: »

Where you hear that?! Sweet Jesus, I’d love to know all the juicy details

Heard from a friend that Leo said you dont implement everything without a proper meeting with all, see what is realistic etc.

Last night meeting was full of inconsistencies

average_runner · 19-08-2020 10:49AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

No, something as common as tonsillitis would cause fever and sore throat and could easily be misread as covid initially.

We are going through this with the youngest. Every 3 weeks throat infection. Down to see consultant in sept

lee_baby_simms · 19-08-2020 10:52AM

average_runner wrote: »

We are going through this with the youngest. Every 3 weeks throat infection. Down to see consultant in sept

Nightmare. What age?

I had constant tonsillitis, at least 3 times every winter from age 17 to 21. Had to repeat leaving cert year because of it.

It eventually stopped but I was ready to have them removed.

Patrick2010 · 19-08-2020 10:53AM

polesheep wrote: »

And I think we just need to make sure that the hospitals can cope.

Restrictions were relaxed a couple of months ago and as of last week in the whole Ireland there were 21 people in hospitals with Covid. I think they're coping fine.

average_runner · 19-08-2020 10:53AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Nightmare. What age?

I had constant tonsillitis, at least 3 times every winter from age 17 to 21. Had to repeat leaving cert year because of it.

It eventually stopped but I was ready to have them removed.

He is 7. Doc on top of it and school were told. Teacher working on a plan for him also.

lee_baby_simms · 19-08-2020 10:57AM

average_runner wrote: »

He is 7. Doc on top of it and school were told. Teacher working on a plan for him also.

Good to hear. Theres plenty of options to manage it anyway, getting them out being the final one.

19-08-2020 10:58AM

wadacrack wrote: »

No, hayfever is pretty common. High pollen count in the last few weeks also

Would not expect to see a fever with hay fever though.

Living Off The Splash · 19-08-2020 11:00AM

What is the difference between community transmission and unknown transmission?

Most of the unknown transmissions could end up being community transmission but this is only discovered weeks later?

19-08-2020 11:04AM

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Nightmare. What age?

I had constant tonsillitis, at least 3 times every winter from age 17 to 21. Had to repeat leaving cert year because of it.

It eventually stopped but I was ready to have them removed.

Same as that - every year from 8 to 12, I missed at least 3 weeks of school with tonsillitis. Was going to be put on the list for removal, but all of a sudden they just stopped. Only I had it once since when I was 30. Is strange though, before the last bout I never had any hay fever symptoms, but since I get it at various levels every year. Must be some autoimmune factor in there.

lee_baby_simms · 19-08-2020 11:06AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Is strange though, before the last bout I never had any hay fever symptoms, but since I get it at various levels every year. Must be some autoimmune factor in there.

Funny you mention that. I developed psoriasis when I first suffered from tonsillitis. Still have it today. I also suffer chronic sinus allergies throughout the year. Both related to an autoimmune issue I believe.

caveat emptor · 19-08-2020 11:06AM

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Politics is a funny game,
Leo an absolute c*nt but because he speaks well he makes the masses feel at ease ,
Himself and Martin could stand up there and tell us the same bad news but because he is better at communicating people would feel more at ease,

Also it wouldn't surprise me if Leo saw the outrage on twitter after last nights press conference and started the rumour he walked out , he plays the game very well,

The current government are like a car sales man on his first day with all the "eh eh "
Leo is the seasoned pro who can sell a tennis mam a 3 liter Range Rover as a run around and she thinks she got a great deal ,

He's transparent at this stage. The FF FG fight to the death is on. There can be only one civil war party. Imagine this went on 3 years and it morphed into open everything up vs zerocovid. It could lead to the birth of two new totally ****e parties. Strange times.

We don't have an effective opposition.

italodisco · 19-08-2020 11:08AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Would not expect to see a fever with hay fever though.

Laryngitis, pharyngitis, sinusitis.... All very common. My gp said he has seen a huge drop in them since this started as people are being overly cautious and alot are not packed into the office / schools together.

But he did have a concern about the testing set up as he envisages quite high numbers of the above illnesses into autumn and winter and the panic that will be triggered off will overwhelm testing centres

The cold season will be Interesting, people walking around coughing and sneezing blowing their noses, people panicking and running from them. It will be hard to know who to run from lol

caveat emptor · 19-08-2020 11:10AM

Deleted User wrote: »

If you have a cough and a fever now it really couldn't be anything other than covid? Would that be right as we haven't hit flu season yet.

Check this out. It the symptom combinations and frequencies. i.e 5 people had sore throat + runny nose. 2 people had fever etc. Nice visualisation that shows how fvcked up the symptoms are.

The red dots are all symptom combinations that don't include fever (yellow)
i.e all the people we missed in march/April on purpose I guess as we didn't have capacity to test them.

Interesting 113 people just had a runny nose!

Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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