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Covid 19 Part XXI-27,908 in ROI (1,777 deaths) 6,647 in NI (559 deaths)(22/08)Read OP

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  • #6392
    almostover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭almostover


    BringBackMick wrote: »
    The government are playing this ultra safe but IMO are being too cautious.

    The lack of authority and direction is really damaging morale.

    Most other countries in Europe are living normal lives without COVID obsessions

    It is only when you step out of the madness in Ireland you realise in other countries life is not driven by this COVID hysteria.

    We have a serious problem and need to snap out of it for the good of all our mental health.

    It is time for tough decisions not ultra cautious stagnation.

    You really haven't been watching the news have you, have a look at what has happen in Spain the last few weeks. The tough decisions are being made here. We've a chronic bad health system and therefore we must be uber conservative to ensure it doesn't get overwhelmed. I agree that the tough decisions weren't made but those were pre-Covid. Our apathy towards properly funding public services and that tax input that entails has been badly exposed. That an the inhumanity of direct provision and low paid work in the country.


  • #6393
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Never gonna happen and I think that's more likely him looking for a media headline

    I hope not. Could be him trying to use it as a stick alright.


  • #6394
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    completedit wrote: »
    The more I listen to these health professionals, the ones who want to talk up the virus, it's almost as if they have some sort of ulterior motive for the virus to be at the forefront of international discussion

    What would be their ulterior motive?


  • #6395
    Quantum Erasure
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,655 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    completedit wrote: »
    The more I listen to these health professionals, the ones who want to talk up the virus, it's almost as if they have some sort of ulterior motive for the virus to be at the forefront of international discussion

    Such as...?


  • #6396
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    There is no way we will be able to have a border shutdown and to have an IE-UK aligned strategy on zero-Covid.

    We need a sensible strategy at the airports which includes testing (focused, random and voluntary), advance electronic passenger locator details (airlines to facilitate) and a clear narrative. I would be happy enough to restrict travel from certain high risk non-EU locations but we need to weigh up public health and long term economic considerations (discourage tourists but be open to business people with clean 72 hour test results)

    We need a solution which will proactively manage risk and one which is consistent with an overall EU approach. It may not be the Silver bullet solution people want but far better than the current finger wagging peer pressure.

    But most of all the known domestic risks need to be managed. Balls were dropped and there was a huge amount of complacency. We reopened elements of the economy and closed down our defences.

    Wouldn't disagree with most of that. I agree the peer pressure thing is very 1970s Catholic Church compliance. Doesn't wash with the youth or most people these days.

    Civil responsibility is a different kettle of fish and we had better wrap our heads around it quick before we experience multiple rolling lockdowns that decimate the economy. If we could had a fast , accurate test done at point of entry with quick turn around tourism wouldn't be an issue.

    It's extremely beguiling to think that international travel isn't a factor in the spread of covid but it's a logical non starter. Proper solutions are needed if we are all to forego personal freedoms. Otherwise what's the point?


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  • #6397
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,086 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Wolf359f wrote: »
    He said (I believe in the past 2 weeks) 3 out of 100 of cases were related to travel, so that included the secondary infections caused by an infected person getting off a plane and infecting others.

    Are you sure, it's not the way I heard it, let's say your are correct, can we still put an estimate on it, we've had how many people into the country since lockdown?


  • #6398
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,157 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Eod100 wrote: »
    I hope not. Could be him trying to use it as a stick alright.

    Using a stick has never been a good method of anything - but that is the whole hidden message of this FF government's response


  • #6399
    h2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭h2005


    Is there any evidence that the recent cases are linked to travel? Also is there any evidence of clusters developing as a result of the return of sports? There does not seem to be a plan at the moment. With the scattergun approach contact tracing must have totally failed, so much so that they don't have a clue where a lot of these cases stem from.


  • #6400
    Eod100
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,197 ✭✭✭✭Eod100


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Using a stick has never been a good method of anything - but that is the whole hidden message of this FF government's response

    I agree, incentive always a better motivor than fear/punishment. It's a FF, FG and Green government too so can't let them off the hook. Though would well suit FG for them to be seen as good cops and FF the baddies..!


  • #6401
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    h2005 wrote: »
    Is there any evidence that the recent cases are linked to travel? Also is there any evidence of clusters developing as a result of the return of sports? There does not seem to be a plan at the moment. With the scattergun approach contact tracing must have totally failed, so much so that they don't have a clue where a lot of these cases stem from.
    There's some good stats here:

    https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1295851284659044354


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  • #6402
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    The throwing of FF under the bus has begun

    Tuesday’s Cabinet briefing was unusually fractious. There were complaints from Tánaiste Leo Varadkar, and many Ministers, over how little time people had to reflect on a series of significant changes, and how it would impact on their departments.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/new-covid-restrictions-how-do-they-compare-with-nphet-s-advice-1.4333557?mode=amp

    Leo is a massive fvcking **** stirrer. I'm no FF fan but I can see what he is doing. If only there were a photographer to capture his outrage. ?He should retire to the phoenix park with a bag of cans and meditate on the damage his political machinations are doing to the country. As a doctor he knows full well the implications of rising cases and the effect it will have on the economy and people.

    Asking old people to hide away til their dying days is immoral in my opinion when there is a clear alternative.


  • #6403
    Polar101
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,043 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Not sure how much sense the sport restrictions make. Most big sports leagues are on hold, or are being played behind closed doors. Finland's soccer league restarted on July the 1st, so a good 10 rounds have now been played - they have restricted crowds to 500 per stadium stand (so basically up to 2500 spectators can attend, depending on the stadium). So far there has been no cases of Covid-19 reported to be linked with the soccer league, so it doesn't seem to be particularly high risk.


  • #6404
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,223 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    BringBackMick wrote: »

    Most other countries in Europe are living normal lives without COVID obsessions

    That's completely not true.


  • #6405
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,873 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    completedit wrote: »
    The more I listen to these health professionals, the ones who want to talk up the virus, it's almost as if they have some sort of ulterior motive for the virus to be at the forefront of international discussion

    Many do of course...don’t think for a second they’re on rte etc for your benefit or there’s some kind of public benevolence and martyrdom involved.
    It’s about raising a profile for varied reasons- academic profile and promotion, jockeying for research funding and positions, to roles in media and/or politics. I fully expect a few of our “Covid experts” to land a few seats in the Seanad out of all this. I’m under no illusions, I know how the world works- Covid 19 is easy street for all the above as you dont actually have to do or achieve very much only finger wave and rehash failed “solutions” like lockdowns


  • #6406
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    Eod100 wrote: »
    Thought it was fairly revealing that Donnelly at end of interview on Prime Time said he's trying to prevent a national lockdown in the next few weeks. Wonder in private has NPHET briefed him or Cabinet that choice is between these temporary measures now for 3.5 weeks or national lockdown after that if cases still high.

    I would think it`s quite likely.


  • #6407
    road_high
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,873 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    John O.Groats wrote: »
    I would think it`s quite likely.

    Of course you would...!


  • #6408
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    Are you sure, it's not the way I heard it, let's say your are correct, can we still put an estimate on it, we've had how many people into the country since lockdown?

    It doesn't matter how many. It's 3% of confirmed cases can the traced back to travel or a close contact of someone who travelled.


  • #6409
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    It has gotten to the stage where we should just bite the bullet and get the virus on purpose. No I'm serious, anyone who is healthy and say between the ages of 18 and 45 could turn up to a designated centre in each county and be administered the virus. If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
    People will say, its a crazy idea and there will be thousands of deaths and our hospitals will be overrun, i don't think so, I'd say the vast majority would have no symptoms and those that have symptoms will be mild. When the lockdown is over we as a country can then lift the restrictions and go about our normal business.
    With the path we are going now, most of those people are going to get it anyway over the coming months and they will unwittingly pass it on to vulnerable people leading to more deaths and the misery will continue.


  • #6410
    stephenjmcd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,450 ✭✭✭✭stephenjmcd


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    Leo is a massive fvcking **** stirrer. I'm no FF fan but I can see what he is doing. If only there were a photographer to capture his outrage. ?He should retire to the phoenix park with a bag of cans and meditate on the damage his political machinations are doing to the country. As a doctor he knows full well the implications of rising cases and the effect it will have on the economy and people.

    Asking old people to hide away til their dying days is immoral in my opinion when there is a clear alternative.

    He also knows come late 2022 he's back in office and can "fix" the FF mistakes and blame it all on them for the next election.

    I didn't vote FF in the election but I cant see any scenario where all of this doesn't get brought up and they take a hammering, Leo blames it all on them for whatever happens in the next two years.

    There were opinion polls published recently showing FG rating going up since FF came into government, so its already happening. Leo and FG will just be hoping that holds out for the next while and something like this does FG little harm in saying well look we tried to stop them


  • #6411
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    road_high wrote: »
    Of course you would...!

    That`s right. I would.


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  • #6412
    obi604
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    In regard to gyms- does not make sense, If the max number of people that can exercise outdoors is 15. How can gyms have 50 or so indoors? Or Even a church 50 indoors.

    Or am I missing something.


  • #6413
    khalessi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,216 ✭✭✭khalessi


    Akabusi wrote: »
    It has gotten to the stage where we should just bite the bullet and get the virus on purpose. No I'm serious, anyone who is healthy and say between the ages of 18 and 45 could turn up to a designated centre in each county and be administered the virus. If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
    People will say, its a crazy idea and there will be thousands of deaths and our hospitals will be overrun, i don't think so, I'd say the vast majority would have no symptoms and those that have symptoms will be mild. When the lockdown is over we as a country can then lift the restrictions and go about our normal business.
    With the path we are going now, most of those people are going to get it anyway over the coming months and they will unwittingly pass it on to vulnerable people leading to more deaths and the misery will continue.

    The problem with that plan is that a percentage would end up in ICU. Just think of the nurse who appeared before the Oireachtas describing her coronavirus experience as a patient and the after effects she is sufferiing months later


  • #6414
    [Deleted User]
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    Still no medium term plan. So if we have a great 4 weeks, reduce the spread massively, what happens? We open things up and get back to the same place? This is utterly unsustainable. Interesting to see how hospitalisations go over the next 2 weeks because 19 people in hospital doesn't justify measures like this.

    Will also be interesting to see the levels of compliance


  • #6415
    caveat emptor
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,134 ✭✭✭caveat emptor


    Akabusi wrote: »
    It has gotten to the stage where we should just bite the bullet and get the virus on purpose. No I'm serious, anyone who is healthy and say between the ages of 18 and 45 could turn up to a designated centre in each county and be administered the virus. If a quarter our population got the virus at once say over a weekend, then we as country immediately go into a strict lockdown for 20 days, when we come out of it hey presto we have achieved herd imunity in a controlled manner thus protecting the vulnerable people of our nation.
    People will say, its a crazy idea and there will be thousands of deaths and our hospitals will be overrun, i don't think so, I'd say the vast majority would have no symptoms and those that have symptoms will be mild. When the lockdown is over we as a country can then lift the restrictions and go about our normal business.
    With the path we are going now, most of those people are going to get it anyway over the coming months and they will unwittingly pass it on to vulnerable people leading to more deaths and the misery will continue.

    You are mental. Sorry. I thought similar and asked a friend who contracted it. (30s healthy and fit).
    He said you do not want to fuvcking get this. Not being able to breathe is not fun.

    523422.jpg


  • #6416
    hmmm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,203 ✭✭✭✭hmmm


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You are mental. Sorry. I thought similar and asked a friend who contracted it. (30s healthy and fit).
    He said you do not want to fuvcking get this. Not being able to breathe is not fun.
    And this thread:
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058105177


  • #6417
    KrustyUCC
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,077 ✭✭✭KrustyUCC


    obi604 wrote: »
    In regard to gyms- does not make sense, If the max number of people that can exercise outdoors is 15. How can gyms have 50 or so indoors? Or Even a church 50 indoors.

    Or am I missing something.

    Gyms are gone to a max of 6 indoors and 15 outdoors


  • #6418
    obi604
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,336 ✭✭✭obi604


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Gyms are gone to a max of 6 indoors and 15 outdoors


    The 6 indoors is specifically for classes as I understand it. Not the actual General gym.


  • #6419
    John O.Groats
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 837 ✭✭✭John O.Groats


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    He also knows come late 2022 he's back in office and can "fix" the FF mistakes and blame it all on them for the next election.

    I didn't vote FF in the election but I cant see any scenario where all of this doesn't get brought up and they take a hammering, Leo blames it all on them for whatever happens in the next two years.

    There were opinion polls published recently showing FG rating going up since FF came into government, so its already happening. Leo and FG will just be hoping that holds out for the next while and something like this does FG little harm in saying well look we tried to stop them

    The Greens claimed the same in 2011 and they were wiped out in the GE that followed their pulling out of government then. What makes you think that anyone other than SF and the parish pump Independents would benefit from FG doing the same either now or in 2022?


  • #6420
    Akabusi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭Akabusi


    caveat emptor wrote: »
    You are mental. Sorry. I thought similar and asked a friend who contracted it. (30s healthy and fit).
    He said you do not want to fuvcking get this. Not being able to breathe is not fun.

    523422.jpg

    The way we are going, you will end up getting it anyhow. BTW I did get it back in March and it was very mild.


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  • #6421
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,427 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    KrustyUCC wrote: »
    Gyms are gone to a max of 6 indoors and 15 outdoors

    I'm just hoping gyms with a cafe/vending machine can reopen as a restaurant. It's just baffling. It makes Boris Johnson look coherent with his stay at home, but go to work message months ago.
    We'll have Pilate's classes sneaking into churches for a quick session, once they bless themselves of course.

    The pubs and restaurants issue, I understood they needed a definition and under licencing laws there's a distinction between a pub and a restaurant and it's down to a meal being served.


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