Masks

jackboy wrote: »

It is proof there was not significant community transmission in retail. That is clear.

Thats not the standard as to why they are being introduced ie versus pubs or factories and besides many retailers were closed.

lucernarian wrote: »

Then there's all the people using vented masks which are horrifying given that they do not filter exhaled air whatsoever, and gives a false sense of security

As long as they're being seen to be covering their mouths and noses .....

So every argument I have read about not wearing a mask is as follows:

Esteemed professionals such as Dr Faucci said previously that masks were not effective and changed their mind recently. Ok, if you admit that they are the experts and you relied on their historical advice, it is crazy that when they updated it that you disregard it and say that they are not experts.

Ok, if you then say that advice changed because of political lobbying and masks are there to enslave us. Talk about a fcucking weak way to enslave society by wearing a mask. There is one flaw in this argument, as most of the civilised world live in a democracy any government mandated enslavery can easily be eradicated by simply voting it out.

Following on from the government conspiracy, the same people are saying that they fear being microchipped or at the least electronically tagged by a vaccine. Firstly if the government wanted to do this they wouldn’t mandate masks because they would want numbers to rocket to drive fear to ensure high Vaccine uptake.

If on the other hand the anti mask people say that wearing a mask increases infection by creating a false sense of security or by incorrectly wearing them, surely that is a good thing for them as herd immunity would occur quicker meaning no vaccine required...see above.

Regularly it is stated, why wear a mask when tourists are allowed to fly in. Firstly i disagree with the higher risk countries being allowed in but one wrong doesn’t mean masks aren’t effective. If all those tourists were mandated to wear masks transmission would be reduced. And also there has been no dramatic increase in cases from tourist destinations.

Why need a mask if we Social distance and wash hands. Fair enough good point. But the same way people don’t wear masks, others don’t do the other things. So what better way to reduce transmission from not social distancing and sanitising hands than wearing a mask.

I don’t want to use scientific evidence and prefer using real-time evidence. Fair enough. Usually followed by science evidence can be interpreted to suit an agenda. Fcucking hell thats a good one. Science facts that have a control group and evidence is open to interpretation but real life anecdotal evidence can’t. Usually followed up with a question about supermarket clusters. Ok, let’s say that is true, there have been case studies from hotels worldwide where there were clusters amongst staff. Every staff member who didn’t wear a mask got infected and all staff who wore masks didn’t. Here is the link https://www.insider.com/face-shields-did-not-protect-people-from-coronavirus-swiss-outbreak-2020-7

I think that is a decent summary. Listen if you don’t want to wear a mask and get away with it, wow bully to you.

GT89 wrote: »

How the driver is the only person that's on the bus for 8-12 hrs a day so logic would have if public transport is high risk then more drivers would have gotten it. I know bus drivers have a perspex screen but until covid started most drivers drove with the screen either fully or partially down.

Do drivers have their own window / airflow? Plus they are located right at the doors. In their own assigned space.

Also drivers could have it and be asymptomatic.

The buses were running at 25% capacity at peak of lockdown.

Its a totally different risk to passengers moving through a half full bus of other passengers.

GT89 wrote: »

How the driver is the only person that's on the bus for 8-12 hrs a day so logic would have if public transport is high risk then more drivers would have gotten it. I know bus drivers have a perspex screen but until covid started most drivers drove with the screen either fully or partially down.

So before Covid drivers had screen down. Fair enough. Before Covid they couldn’t get infected with Covid. Since Covid they are behind a closed Perspex screen and they don’t have Covid. Do you even read what you write?

GT89 wrote: »

Yes but Covid has been here since at least Feburary and likely December. Leo even said this but back in December life was normal and buses were full likewise pubs open, shops open as normal, no social distancing, no masks etc.

Covid was likely started at the World Military games in Wuhan back in October of last year. Lot's athletes came home sick.

https://www.thejournal.ie/leaders-questions-58-5093409-May2020/

Let’s say it was from that games. What has that got to do with masks. Bus drivers are isolated and protected by a compartment. Again are you saying that Covid isn’t transmitted by droplets. We’re there people infected on a bus, why choose bus drivers who are behind a Perspex screen and no touching of money or people.

John O.Groats wrote: »

This " fella in the shop" isn`t you by any chance?

Nah it's this guy:

joeguevara wrote: »

Where were you when you realised that the milkman was also Mr Burgess from the snapper?

Have never really watched The Snapper so that wasn't a big revelatory moment for me.

Are we converting this too another "Interview the person below you" thread?

GT89 wrote: »

How come very few staff got infected then?

Loads of supermarket staff got infected in March and April, they were nearly all aysymptomatic.....think about that statement for a minute.

It's nonsense, I can't prove it (and I dont mean it either, it's just for the purpose of this argument), at best it is an assumption.

But it holds as much water as your statements that there was little to no transmission in supermarkets.

anyone seeing these ads for mask that are a plastic thing that hang from a spectacles like frame

France mandates masks in all workplaces...
As of September 1, masks will also be required in all shared, enclosed work spaces, including open-plan or shared offices, corridors, meeting rooms, and changing rooms, according to the new government rules. They can only be removed when someone is alone in an individual office....
“The latest scientific knowledge about the possible risk of transmission of the virus via aerosols leads us to adopt a general principle of the systematic wearing of masks in indoor, shared workspaces,” said Laurent Pietraszewski, secretary of state for worker health.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/world/arid-40034258.html