2020 the battle of the septuagenarians - Trump vs Biden, Part 2

It's funny that Trumpers call Biden Creepy Joe when the bloke they cheerlead wants to f*ck his own daughter

Irishman80 wrote: »

Polls often unreliable this far out from the election but this one is interesting. A 10-point swing to Trump since June. And close in most Swing States.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/08/16/politics/cnn-poll-biden-trump-august/index.html

If I was a betting man, I would put money on Trump winning. HE has very successfully created a cult so his followers accept anything he does and will vote for him regardless. Not only that but he has created a siege mentality such that they are very focused on getting out to vote as they think everyone is out to get them.

Second, he has very successfully created the narrative that nothing that you read, hear or see is true. It isn't the lie that is important, it is the situation where nobody believes anything anymore and thus simply sticks to what they what to believe.

Thirdly, the GOP and now Trump with USPS, are very active in gerrymandering and, more impactful in a POTUS election, voter disenfranchisement. They will be very active on polling day to reduce the number of people that can vote in certain areas. There will be plenty of stories of massive lines to vote, voters turned away etc. This will, in the majority, come from areas which would be expected to poll higher for DNC.

Fourth, the DNC just are not very good. Biden, whilst nothing wrong with him, is not exactly inspiring. I don't see him generating the same enthusiasm for voters to get out to vote for him, no matter what.

IMO, there is no reason to vote Trump back into office. I can understand why it happened in 2016, but he has failed spectacularly at the things he said he would do and has been a complete and utter failure at the biggest issue (COVID) that he has faced. Far from MAGA, he has singularly led it to being the pity country of the world.

But I don't think that the majority of Americans see that. I think for many, they see a failed America. One where multiples jobs are needed just to keep food on the table. One where crime is everywhere, whole towns are run down and rotting and inequality is everywhere they look.

And they have been conditioned to believe that and form of socialism, which in America can mean even taxing the wealthy a bot more to fund healthcare, will actually make things worse and as such DNC are going to make things worse.

It is easier to sit here and see the folly or what they did in 2016, and even more what they may be about to do again. BUt for many politics is irrelevant, the media are liars and America is simply the greatest country in the world (despite their experience of it) and it really doesn't matter who is in the WH since nobody cares or will fix things for them so it might as well be the guy off the tele.

IMO, if given another 4 years, America, if not already, will pay a very heavy price for it mistakes with Trump.

The Unbearables wrote: »

Ridiculously liberal views on here unfortunately. Thankfully the US has a high percentage of conservative voters that will power the president to 4 more years.

Like these guys?



https://twitter.com/RVAT2020?s=20

Trump is holding Cuomo responsible for Covid deaths in New York. He is projecting very hard here: the President who has overseen 175k deaths.

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Leroy42 wrote: »

If I was a betting man, I would put money on Trump winning. HE has very successfully created a cult so his followers accept anything he does and will vote for him regardless. Not only that but he has created a siege mentality such that they are very focused on getting out to vote as they think everyone is out to get them.

Second, he has very successfully created the narrative that nothing that you read, hear or see is true. It isn't the lie that is important, it is the situation where nobody believes anything anymore and thus simply sticks to what they what to believe.

Thirdly, the GOP and now Trump with USPS, are very active in gerrymandering and, more impactful in a POTUS election, voter disenfranchisement. They will be very active on polling day to reduce the number of people that can vote in certain areas. There will be plenty of stories of massive lines to vote, voters turned away etc. This will, in the majority, come from areas which would be expected to poll higher for DNC.

Fourth, the DNC just are not very good. Biden, whilst nothing wrong with him, is not exactly inspiring. I don't see him generating the same enthusiasm for voters to get out to vote for him, no matter what.

IMO, there is no reason to vote Trump back into office. I can understand why it happened in 2016, but he has failed spectacularly at the things he said he would do and has been a complete and utter failure at the biggest issue (COVID) that he has faced. Far from MAGA, he has singularly led it to being the pity country of the world.

But I don't think that the majority of Americans see that. I think for many, they see a failed America. One where multiples jobs are needed just to keep food on the table. One where crime is everywhere, whole towns are run down and rotting and inequality is everywhere they look.

And they have been conditioned to believe that and form of socialism, which in America can mean even taxing the wealthy a bot more to fund healthcare, will actually make things worse and as such DNC are going to make things worse.

It is easier to sit here and see the folly or what they did in 2016, and even more what they may be about to do again. But for many politics is irrelevant, the media are liars and America is simply the greatest country in the world (despite their experience of it) and it really doesn't matter who is in the WH since nobody cares or will fix things for them so it might as well be the guy off the tele.

IMO, if given another 4 years, America, if not already, will pay a very heavy price for it mistakes with Trump.

I agree with the final sentence but not so much on points 1-3

In 2016, HC got 3M more in the popular vote (still not enough to win the election of course), and that was at a time when, I think the Republicans really bought in to the Build the Wall/Lock her Up/Drain the swamp chants. Can't see how anyone who voted for HC last time will have changed their vote.

I think he has gone so far with the narrative about things being fake and so often news of this is followed up with demonstrable cases of him lying which actually draws attention to something which he might hope people didn't think about.

As for the GOP party. As with Republicans against Trump, or Lincoln PRoject, there have been very obvious groups cut their losses and leave. And leave early. And put a lot of effort in to undermining him. Effort which is more likely to be viewed by Republicans because they have their ear.

Was very telling for me earlier to see Chris Wallace and Dana Perino practically give a round of applause for Michelle Obama's speech at the DNC. Trump himself is now targeting Fox and it is obvious he is doing so because he doesn't like their message, which, of course many Republicans are seeing.

All that being said, I still don't think this is a dead cert for Biden. I genuinely think the USPS will be a problem and at the very least will create legal cases afterwards as to whether votes count or not. I also think that it is pretty much guaranteed that in the final 2 weeks up to the election, if Covid can in any way be exploited to prevent some polling stations open, it will happen.

Fingers crossed that Biden wins because Trump is so incompetent and will go off the charts with Executive Orders and favours to friends in term 2 if he gets in.

The Unbearables wrote: »

Ridiculously liberal views on here unfortunately. Thankfully the US has a high percentage of conservative voters that will power the president to 4 more years.

Trump isn't a conservative but he is a fascist

the machismo
critics hate their country
the obsession with a plot against him
the appeal to xenophobia
the cronyism and corruption
the attempt at voter suppression etc etc

Why do you support a fascist?

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

I think that this is what conservatism is now. Privileges for elites while triggering liberals and the left.

killing 170,000 to own the libs

The Unbearables wrote: »

Ridiculously liberal views on here unfortunately. Thankfully the US has a high percentage of conservative voters that will power the president to 4 more years.

Remember you said this;

The Unbearables wrote: »

I don't like Trump anymore than the majority of people here but surely the democrat's can find someone better than a guy suffering from early state dementia to oppose him

It's terribly sad to see.

in the politics forum? Now you're apparently thankful that Trump could win.

The mask slipped pretty quickly over in the politics forum. If you're as disingenuous as you are about something as basic as this, why should we take seriously anything you say at all?

The Unbearables wrote: »

Good response from the president. Funny how the liberals told us he'd start WW3 though isn't it :pac: They weren't happy when he binned Bolton

By what metric is that a "good response"? He was asked a fairly simple question regarding his plans/policies for the next 4 years, if he won.

And that was his answer.

Please explain why that is a "good response"?

The Unbearables wrote: »

Good response from the president.

So from his answer, perhaps you can derive what's at stake and what his priorities are?

You said that it's a good response. If it is, it should at a minimum answer the question posed.

The Unbearables wrote: »

Good response from the president. Funny how the liberals told us he'd start WW3 though isn't it :pac: They weren't happy when he binned Bolton

That is a terrible response. From his answer you would never be able to guess the question that was asked.